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@johnslivka3181
@johnslivka3181 Ай бұрын
What's the cost to build what you have there
@romualdaskuzborskis
@romualdaskuzborskis 2 ай бұрын
That is impressive! How much output does stirling produce?
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 2 ай бұрын
The Stirling generator produces 1.0 kW - 1.3 HP. t is linked to the e-propulsion outboard - which uses 1kW From a 5kg autogas (LPG) cylinder I recently cruised for 9 days
@romualdaskuzborskis
@romualdaskuzborskis 2 ай бұрын
@@andrewhall2702 thanks! Also, 1kw from a stirling seems a lot!
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 2 ай бұрын
@@romualdaskuzborskis - 1kW from a Stirling is quite low. NASA are going to power the moon bas with a Stirling - up to 10kW www.nasa.gov/directorates/stmd/tech-demo-missions-program/kilopower-hmqzw/ And that is small compared to the 75kW Stirling powering Swedish Gotland class submarines en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland-class_submarine#:~:text=On%20the%20water%20surface%2C%20the,propulsion%20or%20charging%20the%20batteries.
@PALM311
@PALM311 2 ай бұрын
I have to disagree that it’s the first radical development in 200 years. I have been building engines with rotary displacers for years. And this was not my idea, the rotary displacer has been around for a long time.
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 2 ай бұрын
Yes - the rotary displacer - I agree. But they spin - this one flexes - moves up and down to shift gas into out of finned regions.
@BASIL_LEAV
@BASIL_LEAV 3 ай бұрын
I know this is silly but as an artist I am trying to make a robot design and this video was rather helpful, thank you for posting!
@Lechoslowianin
@Lechoslowianin 4 ай бұрын
Very good idea. Are there any problems with taking it out of the water?
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 4 ай бұрын
No - it works the same way. There is the need for careful steering - to get the boat between the 4 guide posts. This "seats" the boat correctly on the cradle of the trolley - then the button can be pressed and I. the boat and the trolley slowly rise out of the water!
@adamtedder1012
@adamtedder1012 4 ай бұрын
I'm doing a scaled up version of this right now.
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 4 ай бұрын
Tell us more?.... Andrew
@tiredironrepair
@tiredironrepair 5 ай бұрын
When you mentioned the displacer spring having a resonance where the piston didn't and how that increased efficiency I pictured in my mind a displacer piston with springs mounted between the connecting rod and wristpin that might allow a second resonance to help transition the piston between cycles.
@ShanePomeroy
@ShanePomeroy 5 ай бұрын
I think this is a truly novel design and shows real lateral thinking. Very well presented
@teslababbage
@teslababbage 5 ай бұрын
What a fascinating new approach to the design of the displacer. I look forward to seeing it's further development.
@mungewell
@mungewell 5 ай бұрын
In your animation the back of the piston is open to the atmosphere. You could use a double ended piston, and use two :engines' (running out of phase). This would also mean it would be easy to increase the pressure of the working gas. For solar (your application I believe) they could be side-by-side. Or the arrangement could be 'folded' to be either side of a rocket stove....
@STOP_RIGHT_THERE_CRIMINAL_SCUM
@STOP_RIGHT_THERE_CRIMINAL_SCUM 5 ай бұрын
🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱👎👎
@KarlFullerNZ
@KarlFullerNZ 5 ай бұрын
That's an amazing engine to get that speed from boat!
@ikbwanabe
@ikbwanabe 5 ай бұрын
Interesting to hear how little energy was required to keep the displacer at resonant frequency.
@SiMe-ht3pm
@SiMe-ht3pm 6 ай бұрын
Hello Mr. Hall have you tried putting a small marble sized amount of steel wool in the hot syringe? Also, try wrapping some electrical copper wire around the regenerator. I have crushed pencil lead and rubbed it all over the piston which was a great idea. Lovely engine sir!
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 6 ай бұрын
Hi You see to be finding good ways of improving the engine. Great! And graphite on the piston especially.
@viktorlevchenko4337
@viktorlevchenko4337 6 ай бұрын
It's impossible to make it easier, it's a good option!
@sierraecho884
@sierraecho884 7 ай бұрын
You can even make it simpler yet. - A flywheel is not needed - The working piston does not have to be solid, you can use a flexible membrane so the working fluid itself becomes the piston exerting pressure against the membrane which acts as a seal and spring. - The displacer piston does not have to be solid, you can use the same membrane idea as in the working piston. Alternatively you can use a solid displacer but replace the linkages by a membrane. So you can end up with a simple can of Stirling engine with 2 flexible membranes as the only moving parts. But you can still even go further and make a "Thermoacoustinc" engine, which means there is no displacer but a "stack" instead which is entirely immobile. So the only single moving component is a flexible membrane. And the best part is, since you have eliminated all the linkages you also eliminated all the fristion besides the inner friction of the working fluid itself. You also have less parts to machine AND the efficiency of such engines is still pretty good at about 30% and even more if you put in proper materials and engineering. This is incredible. I have also seen the so called "rice" engines, which are more or less a combination of a stiling and a steam engine. The working fluid works basically like in a stirling engine but the working fluid is replaced by steam, this creates an overpressure which needs releasing before first use while the engine is heating up. In turn the overpressure creates an even bigger vacuum inside when the steam cools off and phase changes to water again. This design is probably the most simple design, (besides the pressure regulation, which has to be done manually) it basically increases the "suction" stroke even more.
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 7 ай бұрын
Thanks
@billybrant6818
@billybrant6818 7 ай бұрын
Very cool
@ShanePomeroy
@ShanePomeroy 7 ай бұрын
Very nice 👍. I'm trying to workout what difference the unusual motion would make. It reminded me of one of Robert Stirling's parents, where he had a bell crank pivoting on the other moving arm.
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 7 ай бұрын
Hi Shane - Yes - where does "bell crank" leave off and "lever elbow start? Norris fitted the lever elbow in his latest engine And It's been working well
@Lechoslowianin
@Lechoslowianin 7 ай бұрын
This solution seems to be beneficial. I'd like to try them out sometime
@millamulisha
@millamulisha 7 ай бұрын
Beautiful design and idea! So quiet. 🤩 If the cross sections of the spring from the side profile were aerodynamic (streamlined shape) and fit into similarly shaped grooves, the energy transfer per cycle would be less dissipative.
@millamulisha
@millamulisha 7 ай бұрын
It’s so quiet. 🤩
@AdamBechtol
@AdamBechtol 7 ай бұрын
Thx.
@froggarana
@froggarana 7 ай бұрын
ok, your little engine engine is sitting there waiting, it is at stp, you start heating it, it runs, by what mechanism does the working fluid fall below atmospheric pressure when it is above ambient temperature? none of these demos are relevant, as pointed out by others here, ther's enough mass on the crank to do the job of a flywheel
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 7 ай бұрын
Yes, there are questions (issues?) with this no compression/no flywheel phenomenon. Some of the engine is heated. All the other parts act as coolers. The heat raises the pressure of the gas in the hot cap of the engine This puts pressure on the piston which gains momentum and expands the volume of the working fluid Then the gas is moved and cooled - and its pressure falls below atmospheric. The cooling causes the pressure to drop. The piston, with its momentum, can also expand the gas further and cause cooling and cause the pressure to drop The piston is then pushed, by the external atmospheric pressure, back into the engine When pressure sensors log the working fluid pressure they show that the pressure inside the engine oscillates above and below atmospheric pressure. For pressurised engines - they oscillate above and below the pre pressurisation level Versus the flywheel - Stirlings just do not need flywheels in the way that petrol and diesels do Does that address the issue?
@froggarana
@froggarana 7 ай бұрын
no@@andrewhall2702
@froggarana
@froggarana 7 ай бұрын
you havn't addressed the Q by what mech. . . .
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 7 ай бұрын
The mechanism is that the displacer moves the hot gas to to cold end of the engine. In doing so, the gas is cooled. In cooling, the pressure drops - below atmospheric - and the piston is pushed back into the cylinder Does this address the question?
@froggarana
@froggarana 7 ай бұрын
@@andrewhall2702 no
@bertjesklotepino
@bertjesklotepino 7 ай бұрын
i have found that you can also use the air bellow from a truck as a displacer. Works pretty well.
@kreynolds1123
@kreynolds1123 7 ай бұрын
I question the regeneration capacity of the displacer, as in how much energy can be stored in the springs. Although, between the top and bottom springs, one could add steel wool. Iron has a density of 7.874 g/cm³ and can absorbe a great deal of heat energy per per degree of Celsius rise per cubic cm of material. The specific heat of iron is 0.451 J/g °C. That is higher than most materials one would use for a stirling regenerator. Iron in the form of steel wool has a high surface area to quickly absorbe that heat while letting the air pass through it. Thus the displacer may double in function as an efficent stirling regenerator.
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 7 ай бұрын
Keith - I agree with your query. There is space between the two displacer springs. Room for regenerator. We have yet to do any power measurements. But this is a subject area I too am interested in.
@kreynolds1123
@kreynolds1123 7 ай бұрын
@@andrewhall2702 You might want to think in terms of a material's volumetric heat capacity (J/cm³·K) Why? To compare material's ability to store energy in a given volume of material and a given volume of dead space. For instance, take a 1cm cube of iron. It's 1cm³ volumetric heat capacity is approximately 3.62 J/(cm³·K) and contrast that with nylon 66 has an aproximat volumetrric heat capacity of 1.4 J/(cm³·K) Both 1 cm³ cubes of material can be shredded to the same surface area and 1 cm³ dead space to each may be added for air to pass through. But wher as iron wool may absorbe 3.62 joules per degree temperature rise, the nylon wool could only absorbe 1.4 joules per degree temperature rise. Down side of iron is its potential for oxidation, so it might be desirable to use a working fluid that is innert to iron. Or use another material.
@ieatYTP59
@ieatYTP59 7 ай бұрын
I see a lot of sirtling engines with that kind of spring inside!
@canonicaltom
@canonicaltom 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's normal for Stirling engines to use flexure bearings, but their only function is to keep things aligned.
@bertjesklotepino
@bertjesklotepino 7 ай бұрын
use air bellows from a truck. Works perfectly as a displacer.
@RJ-xv1nh
@RJ-xv1nh 7 ай бұрын
A normal displacer also stores energy in the flywheel so convinced by his logic there. Also where would the regen go ?
@Lechoslowianin
@Lechoslowianin 7 ай бұрын
It seems to me that there is little working air. This limits its heat capacity. I wouldn't expect much power, but the efficiency may be high
@David_Mash
@David_Mash 7 ай бұрын
I am sorry but this is a flexure spring and is far from new. Only took 5 minutes of Google searching.
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 7 ай бұрын
David Thanks for your comment vs flexural springs. Yes, 5 minutes with Google has a wealth of info. I think the big difference is that there has been a lot of work about using flexural springs to drive the displacer. The video shows another step forward - the flexural spring becomes the displacer. The traditional displacer is no longer. The design of the hot cap is changed radically to become a dome of spiral grooves Likewise the cold cap Andrew
@David_Mash
@David_Mash 7 ай бұрын
If the spring had a near sealing quality when in its neutral state. The hot air would expand to initiate movement of the spring as if it were a piston. And the cold side would do the same with contraction. It seems as if a single spring could act as piston and displacer to simplify the unit. The center of the spring should support a rod extended below with a permanent magnet oscillating within a coil on the cold side as a linear generator.
@David_Mash
@David_Mash 7 ай бұрын
You would have to match the frequency of the piston with the frequency of the displacer
@bobcannon9157
@bobcannon9157 7 ай бұрын
Yes much like a Martini engine, but advances in microcontrollers sensor technology make this far more straight forward than it was in the 1960s when Martini was developing the concept.
@DavoRavo
@DavoRavo 7 ай бұрын
Seems as though if you had to partition this concept, you'd simply end up with the basic cylinder concept as we know. What's the benefit to the spiral? And if it's the flexing; why not just use air pockets for oscillation?
@ET_AYY_LMAO
@ET_AYY_LMAO 7 ай бұрын
Im a little confused, how does it begin to oscillate and how does it continue to oscillate? Is it just pressure differencial that makes it "tick" or is there an initial external force required to start or sustain the oscillation? Interresting idea for sure, glad that you shared it, is the engine a linear piston engine? So there is not even a flywheel?! Edit: Okay you drive it electro mechanically I assume, like a speaker?
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 7 ай бұрын
The oscillation is maintained by a voice coil. It requires very little energy.
@kreynolds1123
@kreynolds1123 7 ай бұрын
Making a minor point. The air doesnt have to move around a displacer. Depending on the displacer design, It could in fact also move through the displacer.
@ET_AYY_LMAO
@ET_AYY_LMAO 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, but this is definetely non conventional, like first of all isn't this engine technically a linear stirling engine where the flywheel is replaced with an internal oscillating spring? Could actually be efficient but idk... How does the spring even begin to oscillate?
@David_Mash
@David_Mash 7 ай бұрын
​@ET_AYY_LMAO I think the spring would have to have near sealing quality when in its neutral state. The hot air would expand to initiate movement of the hot spring as if it were a piston. And the cold side would do the same with contraction. Actually, it seems as if a single spring could act as piston and displacer to simplify the unit. This might get its own comment haha
@kreynolds1123
@kreynolds1123 7 ай бұрын
@@ET_AYY_LMAO depends on conditions, like If there's sufficent temperature difference, then a minor vibration might just get it started. At some point, it could be that keeping it from starting to vibrate would be like trying to balance a pencil on its tip where the slightest nudge is all that's needed to get it started.
@bobcannon9157
@bobcannon9157 7 ай бұрын
The displacer is driven by an electromagnet at the resonant frequency of the displacer system, this means that a minimum amount of external (electrical) energy input is required to maintain the oscillation.
@kreynolds1123
@kreynolds1123 7 ай бұрын
@@bobcannon9157 as to electromagnets use in the displacer possibly as I didn't see the construction. But it would appear that they would not be needed. Thus is a normal stirling cycle engine where the displacer's momentum rather a crank causes it to lag the power piston with the weight and tension of the displacer spring having its own resonance that inturn drives the resonance of the power piston. I question the regeneration capacity of the displacer, as in how much energy can be stored in the springs. Although, between the top and bottom springs, one could add steel wool. Iron can absorbe a great deal of heat energy per per degree of Celsius rise per cubic cm of material. In the form of steel wool, that mass has a high ammount of surface area to quickly absorbe that heat while letting the air pass through it. Thus the displacer may double in function as an efficent stirling regenerator.
@Mattthewanderer
@Mattthewanderer 7 ай бұрын
That is so obvious that it makes me wonder why it wasn't done long ago!
@K1VV1939
@K1VV1939 7 ай бұрын
run it between 8 and 9 Hertz and test the numbers - you'll get back to me ...
@nathanmullikin9641
@nathanmullikin9641 7 ай бұрын
I've been studying wood burning stoves lately and i just happened to come across your video. It seems like you invented a brilliant way to maximize heat transfer in the high frequency/low flow conditions of a sterling engine. The springyness/resonance of the displacer seems like a bonus! How difficult is it to machine a piece like that?
@mungewell
@mungewell 5 ай бұрын
I assume the spring could be laser cut. It would be interesting to place two of these either side of a rocket stove and have a double ended piston connected between them.
@tibsim
@tibsim 8 ай бұрын
Putting in a displacer with a cold side spring seems better because the engine can be thicker and the spring isn't subject to heat stress.
@tibsim
@tibsim 8 ай бұрын
It is not entirely clear what drives the coil spring displacer. Or it works similarly as a membrane phase-shifting themoacoustic engine? If it's that thin the engine, then in theory the heat will pass through at a higher temperature without work, but of course the test of the pudding is eating... But I like this very much! I congratulations! I think, you could try to change the power piston for a longer and thinner tube and use turbine generator on it. Check the Metronome Heat Engine!
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 7 ай бұрын
Hi - the displacer oscillation is sustained by a voice coil. The power needed is very low.
@tibsim
@tibsim 7 ай бұрын
@@andrewhall2702 I understand. Thanks your answer!
@tibsim
@tibsim 7 ай бұрын
@@andrewhall2702 I don't think the spiral spring displacer is a good idea, but a electronically driving displacer - spring system, in a thermoacoustic engine with turbine generator seems good.
@justalabratmr.6858
@justalabratmr.6858 8 ай бұрын
Just wanted to send some good luck to you all. Can't wait to see it pressured to 1000 psi using hydrogen or helium!
@AttilaBlade
@AttilaBlade 8 ай бұрын
This is a really interesting idea. I will read more about it because I have a similar idea, but with no spiral springs in. Congratulation! BLADE
@David_Mash
@David_Mash 7 ай бұрын
Blade, lookup flexure spring, this is apparently not new and already used in cryo stirlings
@AttilaBlade
@AttilaBlade 7 ай бұрын
@@David_Mash I know that, I used that. But here the displacer is the spring.
@justalabratmr.6858
@justalabratmr.6858 8 ай бұрын
Wow very interesting. Instead of the springs pushing the displacer, the springs are the displacer.😀
@bertjesklotepino
@bertjesklotepino 7 ай бұрын
Ok. So you have the chamber you have to construct. You have the springs you have to construct. And all the rest of it. Why would i use that if i can use an air bellow from a truck? It can function as a displacer.
@driverjamescopeland
@driverjamescopeland 8 ай бұрын
The problem with all sterling engines, as with any engine or motor for that matter (including electric) is saturation. Stirling engines can be constructed to function on very low temperature differentials, and with comparatively crude materials/means. That's about where there merit begins and ends. I'm glad to see people keeping them alive, regardless.
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 8 ай бұрын
Keeping them alive? Their merit begins and ends? Have a look at www.stirlingengineboats.com Have a look at NASA and Kilopower This engine has distinctive capabilities - it is the only tool for certain jobs Try en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland-class_submarine Andrew
@driverjamescopeland
@driverjamescopeland 8 ай бұрын
@andrewhall2702 - for a handful of niche/remote applications, I can see where they might be useful... but both the NASA and DoD projects failed to substantiate themselves. Stirling engines are novel gadgets, and I love to see them run... but the moment you put a load on them, they begin to show their shortcomings. I nearly bought a retired USAF pickup truck with a stirling engine, and still wish I would have... but I completely understand why the project did not see renewal or continuation.
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 8 ай бұрын
Yes - definitely "niche" And what about that whole sage with General motors and getting a Stirling car! My understanding is that when you sat in the drivers seat and turned the ignition - you had to wait 40 seconds for the heater to hot enough to get the engine started. Car drivers expect to be able to get in and go - not wait 40 secs With my 1 kW Microgen - It takes 2 mins to get hot enough to start - then another 6 mins to get to full power. James - you have clearly been involved/interested for many a year vs Stirling Can I enroll you to the StirlingMatters forum? It's a discussion group just on Stirlings - not a high volume of postings Send an email to me - [email protected]
@phiradio
@phiradio 9 ай бұрын
Where did you get these engines?
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 9 ай бұрын
The small engines are made by Julian Wood [email protected] 01291 421095
@drsatan3231
@drsatan3231 9 ай бұрын
Iron will heat faster as has higher electrical resistance and lower thermal conductivity Copper loses heat to air faster than iron. Heat lost to air is heat not directed where needed
@drsatan3231
@drsatan3231 9 ай бұрын
Suggest instead of induction forge which uses lots of energy, use hand crank and high gear ratio to spin magnet past copper coil made from thin copper bar, not pipe as shown in video provided kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnvahISlos2Ajq8si=vQDH6G0cZSlKgmIg
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for your information. Ideally the copper - or iron - will be inside the engine - heating the working fluid directly
@reypolice5231
@reypolice5231 10 ай бұрын
It seems that they all will go faster if you apply more heat or increase the temperature difference by applying cold to the cold side with a water bath, or ice. Wrap the cooling fins with a wet paper towel and keep it wet and watch it go into a 3 speed or shift to second speed sooner on less heat. Cooling water or ice water on the cooling fins will mean less heat needed to go faster, thereby less chance of seizure of the expanding Piston. Or a high temp ( automotive) plastic/rubber hose, wrapped around the cooling fins in a coil pumping cold water around the cooling fins.
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 10 ай бұрын
Hi Ray - thanks for your comments vs cooling and using that as a way of getting a bigger delta T Could you do a video of your engine with two speeds?
@sierraecho884
@sierraecho884 11 ай бұрын
Awesome, love it. This is exactly what I had in mind the stirling engine is very efficient while the electric motor is also very efficient but very powerful as well. Range extender stirling engine, awesome. And how quiet the boat is.
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 11 ай бұрын
Thank you. It's taken a few years to get to the current state - but I now have a day boat for use - not an engineering project in development!
@witat7203
@witat7203 Жыл бұрын
Hey, can you please help me with my engine? I have tried mutiple times making my own design, which I have learned alot from, but I have never figured out why it never actually ran. You seem like you know a lot about stiring engines, so any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 Жыл бұрын
Please send me a photo of the engine - [email protected] - or a video of you trying to start it - Andrew Hall
@1islam1
@1islam1 Жыл бұрын
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@ieatYTP59
@ieatYTP59 Жыл бұрын
Hey Andrew, did you build it ?
@andrewhall2702
@andrewhall2702 Жыл бұрын
No - Julian Wood made it 10+? years ago - and then Dennis Cowdery renovated it some 5 years ago. My role has been to study its performance. Thus this question - Do all FPSEs have two stable operational frequencies? Have a look at Dennis' video on the engine kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXKwZ39uoMiDgpo
@ieatYTP59
@ieatYTP59 7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this answer.@@andrewhall2702