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@upandawaygames
@upandawaygames Ай бұрын
I wonder who originally named the XYZ Affair because before they came on the scene there was a person who told the envoys that they had to meet X, Y and Z. That person's code name in the report? W! So it could really have been the WXYZ Affair.
@presidenciespodcast
@presidenciespodcast Ай бұрын
Poor W (aka Nicholas Hubbard) - he got the whole affair up and running and then was denied his right share of the infamy.
@MrRobbi373
@MrRobbi373 2 ай бұрын
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@SerikPoliasc
@SerikPoliasc 3 ай бұрын
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@upandawaygames
@upandawaygames 10 ай бұрын
Madison's "huge metamorphosis"? Not really. You know, when he was in the Continental Congress Robert Morris proposed a national bank. Madison was one of those leading the fight against it. It's not so much that Madison changed. The goalposts did. I think Adams also made a mistake post-election. At that time Jefferson came to him and asked him to say something to the Federalists to the effect that plainly the people meant him, Jefferson, to be president, and that Federalists should stop scheming to do otherwise. Adams, still the sitting president, took a narrow, legalistic view and refused to do anything. He failed to get that the election of the president was a plebiscite, something that even Aaron Burr did understand. That's why Burr did not go to DC and campaign. He knew that if he was seen to be deliberately overturning the intention of the people, he would be a lame duck president from the start. The best he could do was stay in New York, remain hands off, and hope that just maybe the Federalists would elect him anyway.
@presidenciespodcast
@presidenciespodcast 10 ай бұрын
I didn't want to go too far down the Madison rabbit hole in order to keep the focus on the Election, but I agree that Madison's political views are a bit more complicated and nuanced than that he shifted from a federalist ideology to anti-federalist. A few good books for folks interested in diving into more of Madison's ideology are Richard K Matthews's If Men Were Angels: James Madison and the Heartless Empire of Reason; Noah Feldman's The Three Lives of James Madison: Genius, Partisan, President; and Kevin Gutzman's James Madison and the Making of America. To be fair to Mr. Adams, there was no precedent for how a defeated incumbent should involve themselves in a constitutional crisis, and Adams had been attacked for four years by a sizable portion of his own party. That said, I think he was very much in his feelings about the matter and shifted his focus to anything but the election mess. For Burr's part, I don't know that it crossed his mind to involve himself in the matter except to put forward that he thought Jefferson should rightfully be president. Samuel Smith of MD approached Burr about dropping out of the contest, but that would have meant that Adams would have become Vice President instead of him (though Adams likely would have declined and then it would have been down to Charles Cotesworth Pinckney). Burr, had he been chosen as president by the House, would have served, but I think he knew that was a bad scenario and would have lead to a miserable four years in office with no path to reelection. Better to serve as VP under Jefferson and use the opportunity to get close to him, the administration, and other leaders in DC to set him up for a future run. Little did he know at the time that this fluke desperate scheme by the Federalists would end up being the closest he would ever come to the presidency.
@upandawaygames
@upandawaygames 11 ай бұрын
Folks, everyone needs to stop repeating that Jackson won the popular vote in 1824. In 1824, six states, including New York, by far the most populous state (also CT, DE, GA, LA, SC, VT) did not even use the popular vote yet. So that result is completely meaningless. Moreover, if you project out what the likely popular votes of those states were, he would have won the popular vote easily there. America's choice did become president in 1825 and the fact that people are even still to this day repeating expressions like "corrupt bargain" are an example of what's called the Mandela Effect, the eerie phenomenon in which people collectively misremember events and historical facts. This is similar to the way people think Ed McMahon would show up at doorsteps with huge checks - he never did.