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@davebantz274 6 күн бұрын

rFactor 2 all the way

@SimRacingJason 8 күн бұрын

Wow when it blew it blew big time !

@trevor0123 2 ай бұрын

what settings are you running ?

@stefanbager6261 2 ай бұрын

Performance Comparison with low pc specs are not very usefull. You cannot see what is possible....... Timewaste

@reviewforthetube6485 4 ай бұрын

Its your settings on acc, shadows livhting snd more competely change the game. It has the most detail of any out. But i will give it to iracing snd rfacotr that the road textures really add to it. But acc cannot be beaten in the graphics department and you cant do a comparison then say somrthing doesnt look good when you sre turning things like shadows on low or off. I mean shadows lighting snd more are what create the atmosphere snd seprrstion between objects. You are ruining the game not running them. Iracing and rfacotr were designed around 1080p. They will look great there. Acc was designed for 4k but looks great in 1440p also. If you dont hsve a rig powerful enough to actually utilize the settinfs then you shouldnt be doing graphics comparisons. You are technically making a massive crutch for the most advanced sim racing game in the graphics department. Now i mesn advanced in graphics guys not the feel or physics thats just preference. Ive got to say stick to physic comparisons or something like thay. You cant do these its clear you have to reeuce things to much. The fact you do have to on acc so much shpuld tell you how demanding the graphics are which should also tell you how good it can look with evetyhting up. The issue with that is if you end up running at like sub 30fps it wont look good anyways lol. I tested acc on 60fps with 60hz then 120fps on 120hz the difference in image quality and crispness was staggering. So its clear if you do reduce settings you at least need high frames to make up for it.

@dustincriddle 7 ай бұрын

Your acc setting need to be turned up , graphics shouldn’t look that bad

@dogadiga 7 ай бұрын

Bro you are comparing with low acc settings

@layingblacklines 7 ай бұрын

Yeah and it's still getting the lowest fps. I love the FFB and general racing in ACC, but the graphics kill it for me.

@KingKing-yk5wi 7 ай бұрын

I have a 7800xt 58003xd acc,ac,ams2 irscing all run kn full or epic at 144 fps qith 34 ultrawide like yours but rf2 runs only with 60 fps in field near other cars and 70-90 alone dont know why so shit running rf2 has so much fps drops

@layingblacklines 7 ай бұрын

I don't know, maybe settings. As you can tell from this video, I tend to turn them down a lot for better latency. Like I think special effects on Low and post processing Medium. Those can both hit performance hard. Also reflections. Doesn't seem like you're taking too much of a hit in traffic, but I often turn down car numbers. These days I try to lock at 150 fps and don't want that to dip on the grid. So on my potato computer I have visible cars set to 12. Or 20 (8) in iRacing, which is as low as it goes. iRacing I have shadows and mirrors off too.

@wamote6867 8 ай бұрын

ACC (0:13): the Porsche in the front looks so synthetic, I do not like that. Is that still so bad?

@elguitarTom 10 ай бұрын

iRacing have such weight and feel to it like no other sim. You can see it in this video too.

@jasonoak4564 10 ай бұрын

iRacing finally removing the canned FFB effects for curbs. Really nice to see. Unfortunately it's only on a couple of tracks. lol.

@MitjaBonca 10 ай бұрын

So this is how iRacing cheated :) My Okayama for AC has 3d curbs since its begining 2017.

@drchtct 10 ай бұрын

Except curbs in AC are the absolute worst physics aspect of the entire game... maybe they should have stuck to 2D curbs 😅

@layingblacklines 10 ай бұрын

All sims have 3D kerbs dating back well before 2017. It's been a long time coming, which is why I celebrated it with a video. Unfortunately with no visible tyre flex it makes it hard to demonstrate, but I think you can still see it.

@alecmillea4539 10 ай бұрын

Tbh until the video was slowed down and zoomed in on the tires I never saw the difference. It’ll be interesting to see if people say they feel a difference. I think I feel a difference but my wheelbase also got a firmware update so idk if it’s that or iRacing

@layingblacklines 10 ай бұрын

You can feel the difference even without FFB. If you ride the entry kerb you'll find you struggle to turn in. Before it turned in the same as if it were on the track.

@alecmillea4539 10 ай бұрын

@@layingblacklines cool! Good to know!

@unovox 10 ай бұрын

Loving it!!!! First LFM, now this....... Assetto Corsa keeps getting better and better, thank to modders 😊

@AlienDSM 10 ай бұрын

Umm this is iracing and not assetto corsa.

@layingblacklines 10 ай бұрын

Assetto Corsa always had 3D kerbs. iRacing was the only sim to lack it, I think because the track building tools dated back to the 90s. But they've done some work to the tools to make it easier to create 3D kerbs so now iRacing joins the other sims. It's still exciting to me because it does make a difference in racing line.

@jeffmattel7867 10 ай бұрын

So far it feels exactly the same. I have tried several cars at mugello and okayama and the kerbs feel exactly as before the update. Probably one of the most underwhelming feature updates iracing has made. I am using a leo bodnar v2.

@RobinHood-yk8og 10 ай бұрын

You've never driven the kerbs at Mugello before and they've replaced the canned effects with physics derived effects... they aren't the same. I'm not using a leo bodnar v2.

@jeffmattel7867 10 ай бұрын

@@RobinHood-yk8og The kerbs feel exactly the same as before. They can say all they want about canned effects and physics derived bull shit. I was hoping for rf2 level of kerbs at the very least.

@layingblacklines 10 ай бұрын

@@jeffmattel7867 The FFB rate isn't a high enough resolution to do that. But the car reacts to kerbs now. I mainly notice it on entry. Previously on iRacing you could ride entry kerbs with no drama. Now not so much.

@zoltangergely8134 10 ай бұрын

ok, but what about the motion of the wheels on the kerbs? still shit

@CaramidaruAndreiBogdan 10 ай бұрын

Look at the back wheel at 3:49, no the best, not the worst. I think it's an improvement.

@LiamDrives 10 ай бұрын

No one is gonna notice this when they’re racing lol.

@layingblacklines 10 ай бұрын

Yeah I think that's just because tyre deflection is not visually shown. I think the tyres just clip under the track, rather than compressing like they do in other sims. Most of the action is absorbed by the tyres here, so without that it's quite hard to see the difference visually. It's a shame, but I think this is something we will see improve. Much like we don't have flat spots due to the limitation in the tyre just being one homogenous surface that does not rotate. When a rolling contact patch is fully modelled they will be able to visually show the tyre deflecting. You can definitely feel this though. Think of 2D kerbs where you can brake in a straight line right on top of them and turn in without issue. It's like an extension of the track if you ignore the FFB rumble. Now try that at say Mugello on the way into Arrabbiata 1 or 2 (the kerbs on the left before turn in) and you'll run on wide.

@AllardWolff 10 ай бұрын

Careful, dont anger the iRenting boys

@layingblacklines 10 ай бұрын

I would love for them to visibly show carcass flex like you see in other sims. I think there are issues with the contact patch model being static, which is also why we can't have flat spots yet. But changes are due to be made to this I think, so I think it would be great if they could visually show the flex too.

@Acconda 10 ай бұрын

what's the best racing sim if your not of fan of multiplayer games but want to do career modes and AI racing ? I have got GT7 on ps5 and the PSVR2 but also have the Logitech pro wheel with it as picked one up cheap that was used. I just got a new PC and have been dabbling with asset Comp and the new Forza motorsport, which feel terrible in every aspect to me, the graphics feels off, the wheel feels off, the Fram rate is all over the place.

@haagts937 9 ай бұрын

Automobilista 2

@KrasnyMajak-he8xh 6 ай бұрын

AMS2 probs has the best AI in the world of sim racing

@toyotaman182 10 ай бұрын

rF2 is king

@OfensivaGamerBR 11 ай бұрын

not really a graphics comparison when you have that big gap in the settings of each game...

@DKTrickster 11 ай бұрын

You failed your own test when you didn't max everything out. You call it graphics comparison and you don't compare graphics. Dumb.

@mauriziobonaga8874 11 ай бұрын

The best simrace is Revs on Commodore 64 :-)

@fuzzijones1979 11 ай бұрын

ACC shadows set low and you complain the shadow in the game? That's bullsh*t! Did you make a performance test to your PC or did you want to do a graphic comparison?

@GT-zm5ji 11 ай бұрын

ACC the cars look like they are floating along the track

@tigerbalm666 11 ай бұрын

ACC looks like POS...

@Cortlandt_Cash 11 ай бұрын

IR, ACC, RF2 - to me its not even close. ACC and RF2 look like cartoons

@ScholliUlz 4 ай бұрын

Iracing looks like sepia - cinema - mode... It's not even close to other sims...

@ScholliUlz 11 ай бұрын

The most interesting part isn't in the video: The work behind the wheel. It's a thousand times better and a million times more immersive in rF2.

@mariomarcelli6483 11 ай бұрын

Rfactor2 😉

@BobSmith-uu5kj 11 ай бұрын

RF2 the best sim and best look! Glad I made the move in 2019. Btw, I had all sims since 1988 and Grand Prix from the famous Geoff Crammond.

@ThiagoSilva-wm2vq 11 ай бұрын

How to compare limiting basic details of the game such as shadow? The Porsche at the beginning is without shadow.

@KevinChangSuiFat 11 ай бұрын

bro....u put 4k res on ACC but puy a lot of settings on low/mid...none-sense against rf2

@advanceddarkness3 11 ай бұрын

RF2 sounds like they had a budget of 3 dollars for the audio.

@Asterngeisha 11 ай бұрын

Clean!

@carscoffeeandcannabis-634 11 ай бұрын

Both great cars, but the RF2 version drives incredibly. Much more fun and engaging IMO

@MrThedestroy3r Жыл бұрын

Moritz lohner drove the real one and thinks rf2 model is completely off. This time i would say iracing.

@FEVB Жыл бұрын

No damper in game?

@layingblacklines Жыл бұрын

70% strength, 0% damper, but 100% dynamic damper. I think that's the default and is recommended by Aris. 100% dynamic damper is meant to be neutral and you can cut or boost around this.

@FEVB Жыл бұрын

@@layingblacklines interesting. I can't get this behavior with 100% strength and no damping of any kind on a dd1

@layingblacklines Жыл бұрын

@@FEVB You get oscillations? With dynamic damping set to 100% in ACC? I think different wheel bases have different feelings and need different settings to get a similar feel. Like I think Simucube bases can be much smoother than VRS can. And VRS can be smoother than DD1. I made these videos to compare the outputs from different sims into the same wheelbase. If you look at my other videos you can see I did it with iRacing and rFactor 2. With ACC being the smoothest and most stable. So even if you need some damping on your DD1 for ACC, it is likely that you will need less than you would in other sims.

@FEVB Жыл бұрын

@@layingblacklines yeah with dynamic damping but no damper It will oscillate but I should do more testing. Still ACC has the smoothest and best FFB in my opinion

@jasonoak4564 Жыл бұрын

If you're trying to prove rF2 does anything well on the iRacing forum good luck. I still find it funny that the fan boys completely ignore that Groening now works at iRacing, or at least forget the fact that he's the mastermind behind rF2 tire model. I myself like both sims but refuse to get drawn into the "debate" which just ends up in name calling and "well your iRating just isn't high enough to know any better".

@layingblacklines Жыл бұрын

Yeah can be a bit dogmatic on the iRacing forums. This was in response to someone saying flatspotting is canned in sims that do it. But yeah, wasting my time a bit really. I'm looking forward to seeing the changes Groening can bring to be honest. Be a breath of fresh air I think. I like both sims too. Generally find you can only actually have a conversation when people are familiar with both. Otherwise people who only play iRacing will refuse to think outside that and the same thing goes of people who only play rF2. Also if you play more than one game then you don't hung up on a need for any particular game to dominate. Can just play ACC if you fancy some GT3, or iRacing for some LMP3 or rF2 for some BTCC. Or whatever.

@KinGzeDK Жыл бұрын

Car shadows disabled in acc - looks horrible! Why does 130 fps matter if it looks like shit? Iracing and Rf2 is rather similar, but ACC is far prettier than both and of course also more demanding. Honestly, I don't see the point of this video?

@alexandrmacek Жыл бұрын

As much as I love rFactor 2, I have to ask, why did you leave the shadows set to low for ACC? Comparing the graphics and not having the max detail and effects set is kind of sucks.

@layingblacklines Жыл бұрын

I just had the three sims as I run them for online racing. Even with the lower settings ACC had the lowest framerate. It's possible to make it look better than I had it, but I'd have to upgrade my computer if I wanted it to run at similar fps to rF2 and iRacing. There's been many complaints that I did that, but honestly when you are comparing the games you tend to have the same computer for each one don't you. So given X computing power, this is how they all look and run.

@alexandrmacek Жыл бұрын

@@layingblacklines So when the new Assetto Corsa or LeMans Ultimate comes out, you're going to set your details to low and then make a video saying that both titles look tragic...? :))

@layingblacklines Жыл бұрын

@@alexandrmacek it's not a marketing piece. Just a comparison how they all run on the same hardware. That's why I had the frame counter and usage charts up there. CPUs around 5600 pace are common. GPUs around 6700XT pace are common. Single screen 1440p is middle of the road. And many want to race at 100+ fps. So it's just a comparison of how they all look and perform on average hardware. I really doubt LMU will look terrible. Probably a small step up from rF2, with a small performance hit. ACC can look beautiful, but it's probably the least efficient in that you need a step up in hardware for it to even match the other two. Still plenty good to race though. I have no problems with the graphics in ACC. Just doesn't look as good as AC I don't think.

@alexandrmacek Жыл бұрын

@@layingblacklines The problem with your video is that it doesn't compare the graphics of the games, as you state in the title, but the performance of your PC. That's why the video is misleading. Plus I don't know anyone who wants to play with the low setting in the game. From that perspective, the informational value of the video is zero. It's also interesting in that I'm driving on similar hardware (Ryzen 5600 + RX 6600 XT) and in ACC, FPS are mostly in the 80-110 range during races. This is all with the graphics set to HIGH or EPIC, 2560x1080 resolution. And I haven't even tried FSR.. :)

@layingblacklines Жыл бұрын

@@alexandrmacekAre you able to try running at 3440x1440 resolution at Brands Hatch with a few AI? Here I'm getting about 120 fps. Which is around the point where any more fps gets harder to tell the difference to me. So like an ideal minimum for me. Though obviously you can still play down to 70 fps. It just feels like a slideshow though when you are used to higher frame rates. I prefer FSR to when I used DLSS on an NVidia card, but still prefer not to use it if possible. My current settings do have higher shadow settings now because I don't race online with ACC much any more.

@Emir_de_Passy Жыл бұрын

Rfactor2, acc then Iracing. Headlights and lighting, generally speaking in iracing are immersion breaking for me.

@archy_zi7836 Жыл бұрын

this is bad comparsion. Because ACC have the best graphics of this three. Idk about r factor. But if u put correct ACC graphics settings it will be very huge. RF2 and especialy Iracing cant be better than ACC in graphics... so no... i dont believe in that video.

@layingblacklines Жыл бұрын

What are correct ACC graphics settings? With the settings I have this on it already has the lowest FPS. For me I want it at least 60 fps, especially as I can get 160 in rF2 and iRacing on my 165 Hz monitory. Above 120 fps is noticeable.

@unotoli Жыл бұрын

ACC - scalable ; rF2 - 2h ini tweak ; iR - why? AMS2 -click, AC - IDDQD

@unotoli Жыл бұрын

On a serious note. ACC - fake resolution FSR (upscaling) over details, that could be insane - kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4nJYZmEorOBnbM rF2 - launcher with re-shader kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5zXeaqsnLKJZ9k AMS2 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5WVpqycepmXb7c AC - kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6PRm3-Dq815gKM iR - kzbin.infoXL7iYqw0GNk

@jasonoak4564 Жыл бұрын

No wonder you get so many potatoes on the iracing forum, you play other sims.

@layingblacklines Жыл бұрын

😂😂 I mainly race in iRacing, but yeah I'm open to other sims too. I don't get why people get so tribal about sims. They're all pretty good these days. In this video I've upset many ACC fans because my settings are crap. I'm not trying to make any particular sim look good or bad here, just showing how they all run at the settings I use for online racing. Then on the iRacing forums people act as if I'm super biased against iRacing 🙄

@ZuneGuy1118 Жыл бұрын

ACC looked absolutely atrocious on your video man. It looks amazing maxed out on my pc, and I think the game looks and performs better on Nvidia hardware in general.

@layingblacklines Жыл бұрын

Yeah I've since turned settings up a fair bit and just accept I'm not going to be getting 130+ fps. Still probably the worst looking of the three in terms of the actual graphics. Though I think the detail of things is lowest in iRacing. Maybe ACC would run better on NV, I'm just showing the 3 games on the computer I have.

@ZuneGuy1118 Жыл бұрын

@@layingblacklines rFactor 2 looks old, as in long in the tooth. It is a sim from 2013 and it doesn't have the graphical bells and whistles of ACC at all. ACC from a graphical standpoint is multiple generations ahead. The physics of both depend on the person's taste though. rFactor 2 looks good when compared to iRacing in some ways, but ACC maxed on a good computer is miles ahead, and as I said it has much more up to date standards in terms of graphics. ACC just looks better if you can run it properly being a much newer title.

@layingblacklines Жыл бұрын

@@ZuneGuy1118 I've started using FSR set to Ultra in ACC to let me get higher graphics settings. It's still the worst looking and worst performing of the three. Most of the settings are at high too. Though I think it's subjective in many ways because the way things blur and pop in in motion is something I find distracting. Even watching people's streams with higher settings I don't think it looks better. Must be subjective though as loads of people prefer ACC and there's been a heap of downvotes on this post from people who like ACC. I do like the physics in ACC though. Love racing it in LFM too as I can always get a packed grid and people are fast and clean (compared to iRacing). I think it may have the best FFB, even if not the best physics. It's very smooth and I can run my VRS base without any damping and not have to worry about oscillations. Just feels very natural to me.

@ZuneGuy1118 Жыл бұрын

@@layingblacklines Yeah, I don't think the game looks or performs any good with AMD GPUs. You using FSR is part of the problem and you aren't going to see it looking any better because FSR is notorius for having good performance at the cost of dreadful image quality. Even XESS is better than FSR man and DLSS runs circles around both.

@JohnnyGification Жыл бұрын

Physics wise, ACC is the worst out of these three.

@Ze_Joe_75_RG Жыл бұрын

Hi pilot friend, your style is phantastic. Nice day to you. Big like.👍👍👍

@layingblacklines Жыл бұрын

Thanks, nice day to you too 👍

@Jax0319 Жыл бұрын

rfactor 2 ❤❤

@instinktd Жыл бұрын

maybe I'm weird but I like iR graphics the most, sound wise mix between ACC and Raceroom but rFactor have best driving feeling (best ffb and most detailed dlc tracks) ACC graphics are overhyped even on highest settings to me it looks kinda bad, too grainy and color balance is awful + too demanding on hardware for the offering and on lower settings there are huge problems with foliage and shadows because of this crappy engine rFactor graphics on newest tracks and cars looks really good but tarmac looks lifeless and also dashboards, especially the part where numbers are displayed looks bad compared to ACC and iR

@layingblacklines Жыл бұрын

Not weird at all. I like the way iRacing looks too. The lifeless tarmac is because on a fresh track in iRacing they still scribble some tyre marks on the track to make it look used. While in rF2 it is a fresh unmarked clean track. They all have dynamic track, though on rF2 and iRacing actually follow the exact car paths rather than a prebaked development. For dashboards I think iRacing leads all sims. Particularly in this car, which has probably the best dash in the game. But it just looks better in iRacing than the others I think.

@artslap7520 Жыл бұрын

Sure looks like it. The damage model on the LMP3 was a bit overdone on release and it was patched, but maybe not enough...

@layingblacklines Жыл бұрын

Do you meant the LMP2? I think they fixed that just before the 6hr of Glen race (forums.iracing.com/discussion/44074/2023-season-3-patch-2-release-notes-2023-06-21-03#latest) but no change to the LMP3 damage model that I can see. They did update the clunk on upshifts, as well as reduce drafting and improve the smoothness of downshifts to match the seamless box in the real car.

@artslap7520 Жыл бұрын

@@layingblacklines Ah! I stand corrected. Thank-you.

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