I love her.💜✝️✨

I'm not even going to listen to the rest of this because Darryl is handling this completely against the example and words of Jesus. I have emailed you and you don't even respond. That's NOT care!!!!

There is so much wrong with what you are saying, Darryl. What is so frustrating is there is no opportunity to have these kinds of conversations with workers when, for conscience sake, you HAVE to disagree with them.

No Darryl. You don't hear from those people so much not because they've moved on, you don't hear from them because NONE OF YOU WILL LISTEN AND FOLLOW THE WORDS OF JESUS ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT!! You talk too much and listen too little. People have learned that it's pointless to try to get the workers to do anything about some seriously HUGE problems and it's not always about sexual abuse.

No Darrel! Jesus prioritized selling all and giving to the poor BEFORE he said to follow him. You are wrong.

WOW, that was so helpful . I was wondering how we can talk to the children about these abusers so this doesn't happen to them.

Thank you so much for sharing this powerful message.

Thank you to everyone involved with this zoom call. Your care and compassion are appreciated on so many levels. ❤

Thank you for this wonderful resource! 🎉

The verse about always having the poor among you (Matthew 26:11, Mark 14:7, John 12:8) is taken out of context. Jesus specifically said that they (his disciples) would not always have Him with them, because He knew He was going to die, resurrect and ascend to Heaven. He was particularly addressing Judas, who, in the John passage, is explained to have been in charge of the disciples’ money, who didn’t care for the poor and was a thief. Jesus is with true believers in spirit (Holy Spirit or “Comforter”), but in this passage He was speaking of His physical presence. He didn’t leave them because they had done anything wrong, but because He had to die for humanity’s sin. Please don’t take these passages out of context, and then use it to make an excuse to not care for the “poor” i.e. victims. God expects the poor/victims to be taken care of. Matthew 25:42-46 For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’ “Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’ “And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’ “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.”

Good advice!

Amen

If children are taught CLEARLY what is friendly behavior and what is not friendly behavior; If they are taught to bring up immediately any behavior (including psychological pressure) that has made them uncomfortable no matter who it comes from; If this teaching is upheld, respected and expanded upon as they grow to adulthood there will be fewer silent victims whether children or adults. Jesus was startlingly blunt in his wording of some teachings. Maybe we all need a dose of that courage with our children along with the wisdom we feel so desperate for. This isn't an After-the Fact solution. Neither is it a single remedy. There are multiple issues here. Is this not too complex to address with implementation of a single set of guidelines? Perhaps the work of restoration could be broken down into areas that are more specific. What concerns each group of people could be more pertinent, direct and comprehensive. What children need to help them get past harmful experiences is different from what adults need to help them heal. What "perpetrators" need in therapy, education, situation etc. is bound to be broad enough to require the fervent effectual prayer of every brother or sister that knows them. Is it such that some helpers have fuller understanding for certain situations? Could they work more effectively with those who are in bondage because of wounds? Or those who caused wounds. Or those who are confused? The current situation isn't due to a single cause nor can it be healed by a single change. We can say "Prayer changes everything" and indeed it does. But our amazing God can see each situation and give guidance and support and work His miracles with every soul as it is needed. Same goes for those standing by who want to help. Our situation is not God's Waterloo. That same heart that desires truth in the inward parts also wants none to perish. None. We need a lot of miracles at present. Has human-kind ever not needed miracles? We have a God with His Son at His right hand who are capable of every one. Maybe we could each pray to be one of His miracles with His power.

If you preach the Gospel,and you are molesting,you area hypocrite,liar,it's just NOT RIGHT. Get out and listen by phone only. You should not be in a meeting. Only listen by phone. To me it's no other way.

I’m confused on Todd’s comments about the FBI not able to make a enterprise case, when if you go back and watch the Hulu doc the FBI agent literally says “I’m trying to build a enterprise case. “

I’m so annoyed that people are spreading rumors about Cynthia. Instead of finding fault, shut your mouth & do something to help!

You cannot continue to handle SA or CSA internally only. This will only lead to further secrecy and abuses. There must be a full stop.

The grapevine analogy falls apart of you actually know how they are propagated. Google "dormant cuttings."

I'm confused, I always thought that Jesus was the shepherd. So you're saying that the workers are the shepherds and not Jesus?

So when they say that they are going to make guidelines based on scriptures, I wonder if they will use Genesis 19. If I understand the "moral" of those stories, one is that it is better to SA women than it is to SA men. Also, it's ok for daughters to get their father drunk and SA him, due to a lack of options. Are those the scriptures they intend to use to inform their guidelines?

You shared the verse about giving to the poor and then following Jesus. Very true, but I do not think that Jesus intends us to help the poor or sexually abused victims once and turn our backs on them

To the same man who I mentioned earlier that was speaking in the 30 minutes plus he thinks that we would be causing a perpetrator to be a victim if we keep them out of the meetings. I am so frustrated by this lack of support for the true victims. Perpetrators make choices. The victims have never made that choice!

These pedophiles have had meetings and they have had scripture. Has that saved any child from being abused?

This Fellowship has had the goal of Jesus being their model for years. It has not worked or cases like Dean Brewer never would have happened.

If you do go about building spiritual policy guidelines, I am wondering which Bible verse would support "report, report, report and contact local authorities"?

Your thoughts about the policy guidelines not being family-oriented... is child sexual abuse family oriented? No, so the answer to child sexual abuse is not a family-oriented policy.

Daryl is not sold on investigations? Is that because he's a criminal? I'm going to say that no criminals like investigations.

The man from the Netherlands who is married to the Canadian lady shared some excellent thoughts. I agree with his assessment in Hollanders respecting the workers but recognizing their humanity. That is more common in the U.S. than many realize, hence the lack of concern many U.S. members seem to show about CSA or SA. People are reluctant to place blame on their parents or grandparents beliefs or culture that was instilled in them. Even before the exposure of misdeeds of the one U.S. big headworker over a yr ago. More skeptical of and not “idolizing” humans because they were “ 2:13:33 workers”? That issue seems to be more dependent on familial teachings in the U.S. and has spurred the “exclusivity” heresy that seems to have grown over time and created the fear that has traumatized some victims. That was my takeaway from this helpful discussion.

Wouldn't each "franchise" be the same if they were led by God?

Thanks once again AFTT!!

Wow, she wears a leopard print shirt, recovery is a life long commentment and to say some can be recovered from alcohol or drugs in 6 months is lying