What great work you did! I tried something similar with an unfinished sketch by Schumann back some years… I will side with what was already said, horns and trumpets are used slightly too chromatically for that period and the composer. If you want, you can use trombones for that purpose, since they were much higher in pitch than today and could easily take over what you sometimes gave the horns..
@gerdprengel76166 күн бұрын
Thank you, Lucky, I will see to adjust that
@Lucky_AL5 күн бұрын
@@gerdprengel7616 andere Frage: Wo findet man das Originalmanuskript, welches orchestriert sein soll? Finde auf IMSLP nur das reduzierte Particell…
@gerdprengel76165 күн бұрын
@@Lucky_AL Ich habe mir eine Kopie des Originals von einer Library in Oxford zusenden lassen - leider unter der Auflage, es nicht weiter zu geben ...
@Lucky_AL5 күн бұрын
@@gerdprengel7616 wie mühsam von denen, fällt ja nicht mehr unter das copyright…
@gerdprengel76164 күн бұрын
@@Lucky_AL Ich habe das auch nicht verstanden, war damals nur nur sooo glücklich das bekommen zu haben und wollte das dann nicht diskutieren. Bei großem Interesse von dir könnte ich dir auszugsweise ein paar Fotos machen...
@alexanderjudy54410 күн бұрын
Is it possible to get a finale sketch's of the 10th symphony of Beethoven? or where you got the original. For study purposes and interest in Beethoven
@gerdprengel76169 күн бұрын
@@alexanderjudy544 See gerdprengel.de/symphony-c-minor.html
@alexanderjudy54410 күн бұрын
Is it possible to show only Beethoven Sketch's first then show your added music to for each of the sketch out section?
@composerpark20 күн бұрын
I truly admire your impressive and consistent works :) Do you have any plans to perform them with musicians?
@gerdprengel761619 күн бұрын
@@composerpark I would love to get them performed but I find it very difficult to find an orchestra or conductor, who is willing to do that. The only work I got performed is a string quartet based on Beethovens very last project, a string quintet in C major. See my remaks here for the first movement: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3TNpnh5qd95g8ksi=p3rsENm94mGX46bG
@VirginiaVegaTevez20 күн бұрын
Great job!!!
@imveryveryveryveryveryangry21 күн бұрын
Amazing, can you make your own completion of Beethoven Symphony hess 298? I would enjoy it very much.
@gerdprengel761620 күн бұрын
@@imveryveryveryveryveryangry this is a wonderful idea! Maybe I will ...
@davidpadillagarza1146Ай бұрын
I really enjoyed the syncopations in variation II.
@este_crowАй бұрын
Beautiful diversity!
@ryanwilk1642Ай бұрын
Damn! I was literally in the process of making an overture on EXACTLY Those sketches! You beat me to it! Nevertheless, your completion is incredible and better than I ever could have done.
@gerdprengel7616Ай бұрын
@@ryanwilk1642 I still would love to listen also to your Version 😉
@joswylin7787Ай бұрын
Absolutely fantastic! Ich gratuliere recht herzlich!! It couldn't be more Beethoven than this: style, writing, orchestral sound, dynamics, rhythmic variation, contrasts and colorful orchestral setting. Really amazing, Gerd. The only flaw in this masterpiece is the sound of the strings (they sound a little thin and unnatural at times). A real orchestra would make it complete and serve your efforts well. I hope you can ever realize this to honor Beethoven. Your visualization is a great help and gives us insight in your construction and in Beethoven's concept. So well done.
@gerdprengel7616Ай бұрын
@@joswylin7787 thank you, Jos. Your assesment always means so much to me😊
@NameGoesHer926Ай бұрын
Where can I find the original sketches for the material highlighted in yellow?
@gerdprengel7616Ай бұрын
@@NameGoesHer926 Google for imspl zweite Beethoveniana and then go to pages 577 ff.
@este_crowАй бұрын
Great work! Also thank you for showing us the sketches!
@amotkram99Ай бұрын
Noteperformer has gotten pretty good with brass and woodwinds. The oboe has gotten so much better since the v2. But those strings are, well, let just say they are typical noteperformer strings. I can never get used to them. Strings just ruin it.
@ZachsMusicalWorks2 ай бұрын
What is this music composition software?
@gerdprengel76162 ай бұрын
Noteperformer.com
@Purple_jupiter2 ай бұрын
Someday I wish I could be as good as Beethoven
@joanhopton55622 ай бұрын
Hi Gerd. You once had a version of the slow movement of Beethoven Symphony no.10 on KZbin. It had a most beautiful theme in the flute which has stuck in my mind ever since. I can't seem to find it now.
@gerdprengel76162 ай бұрын
wow - thank you. I will try add it anew to youtube after recording it again nex week. Thank for for the hint!!
@gerdprengel76162 ай бұрын
See at gerdprengel.de/symphony-c-minor.html but it is still the former version ....
@alessandroalberto64312 ай бұрын
Mah !!! In certi punti mi sembra la Nona eseguita al contrario !!!
@joanhopton55622 ай бұрын
Wonderful! Thanks so much for your work in producing this performing version. The themes are very memorable.
@imadkhadra11712 ай бұрын
Amazing
@B.Szyszko2 ай бұрын
sweet
@JustarandomaccountInnit-is8lf2 ай бұрын
Amazing work! My only problem is the sound quality. I think you should use a different program such as musescore in it’s latest iterations (this may not help, I’m not sure) because I think it has better sound quality (it also happens to be free and can run on just about any computer. Heck, you could even try your microwave.) anyway, again, great work as always!
@gerdprengel76162 ай бұрын
I use musescore for slow string passages - but for faster works Noteperformer seems to be better for me
@JustarandomaccountInnit-is8lf2 ай бұрын
Ah ok
@ZJStrudwick3 ай бұрын
I adore the theme that occurs at 1:35... very heroic!
@olivierdrouin27013 ай бұрын
Mon Bravo ! est celui qe quelqu un qui n a pas ete convaincu par l orchestration de la hammerklavier par Weingarten Mais peut être est ce du a la nature des deux oeuvres... Peut etre auriez vous pu ne garder que la moitié des cordes pour kes moments 'calmes" du mouvement 4 .
@olivierdrouin27013 ай бұрын
Informatique , ou orchestre reel ?
@gerdprengel76163 ай бұрын
unfortuneately not a real orchestra, I used the wonderful tool "Noteperformer"
@olivierdrouin27013 ай бұрын
Bravo !!!
@late86413 ай бұрын
I'd just like to point out that trumpets couldn't play chromatically back then. They were restricted to the notes of the harmonic series. If you look at what Mendelssohn wrote, his writing is strictly limited to those notes. I don't think a completion that doesn't take this fact into account does justice to Mendelssohn.
@gerdprengel76163 ай бұрын
Thank you for the hint!
@late86413 ай бұрын
@@gerdprengel7616 Otherwise you did a great job, just remember to always do the full research before creating a completion. 😉
@littlewishy64322 ай бұрын
@@gerdprengel7616I'd like to add onto that; horns were also limited to the harmonic series. I would write whatever key Mendelssohn originally set the brass to and have it only play notes from that. Also, transposing instruments don't switch very often within movements, so I would tacet clarinets, horns, and trumpets wherever the key isn't right for them. For example, I see there is a moment where the key goes from 0 sharps to 3 sharps. That would be a moment where the A clarinet could be used instead of the Bb.
@QuotenwagnerianerАй бұрын
If this was sketched in 1845 that was after Wagner had written Tannhäuser. And by that time valved trumpets were a thing. Just because Schumann and later Brahms never used them, did not mean they weren't available to them.
@late8641Ай бұрын
@@Quotenwagnerianer True, but if you study Mendelssohn's music, he only uses the harmonic series with a few exceptions, but those exceptions can be achieved with stopping so it's pretty clear he only wrote for natural trumpets and horns.
@HaleyMyles3 ай бұрын
What a charming piece that dances around Beethoven’s sketch! I particularly enjoyed the almost Baroque dialogue between both hands from measure 33 and the dolce section in major. Beautifully done, a pleasure to listen to 👏🏻
@gerdprengel76163 ай бұрын
Thank you, Haley, that makes me very glad (and a bit proud to hear that from such an experienced pianist like you ;-) ) And the 2 passages you refer to I also love the most😊😊😊😊
@fulviopolce97853 ай бұрын
Scusa è una sinfonia "by computer"? Altrimenti puio dirmi i nomi di direttore e orchestra?
@gerdprengel76163 ай бұрын
by computer with the tool Noteperformer
@vayhn3 ай бұрын
no way! classic
@user-jf6nu3yh7g3 ай бұрын
面白い。何時かFinaleまで完成させたい。
@gerdprengel76163 ай бұрын
????? What do you want to say???
@user-jf6nu3yh7g3 ай бұрын
@gerdprengel7616 I will complete up to Finale.
@gerdprengel76163 ай бұрын
@@user-jf6nu3yh7g on what basis do you want to do it? I actually tried this, see the link in the description ...
@user-jf6nu3yh7g3 ай бұрын
@gerdprengel7616 Have you any theme?
@gerdprengel76163 ай бұрын
@@user-jf6nu3yh7g see kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2HHd5hoo6ehldUsi=LzdXgvGgOLnTf2K2&t=1359
@Roadman32353 ай бұрын
add some drums in the boogie wogie
@beautyandthefaith3 ай бұрын
Excellent work!
@AllMusicEtc4 ай бұрын
I think this orchestra arrangement sounds more German/Bach than Webern.
@gerdprengel76164 ай бұрын
This was my Intention, I don't like the Webern Version at all ..😉
@poncione4 ай бұрын
Ascoltando anche questa trascrizione per orchestra si può constatare quanto il linguaggio di Beethoven fosse vicino a quello di Luigi Cherubini. La sinfonia in re maggiore del compositore italiano ha un'orchestrazione nel complesso simile a questa.
@joswylin77875 ай бұрын
Again a fantastic job, Gerd. It's quite an effort to analyse and rebuild the unfinished score of a composer no other than Beethoven. Therefore it's more than a daring challenge which you perform wonderfully without losing the real spirit and style of Beethoven. It would be even more appealing when played live by a classical symphonic orchestra. I guess some orchestras might be interested...🎻
@JustarandomaccountInnit-is8lf5 ай бұрын
I think you should write something of your own. Your orchestration is very good.
@Cayres185 ай бұрын
Amazing! I would definitely play this! Where can I get the sheet music?
@gerdprengel76165 ай бұрын
wow - that would be wonderful! --> www.gerdprengel.de/var_bagatelle.pdf If you feel something needs to be changed because of playability, then let me know!!
@Cayres185 ай бұрын
@@gerdprengel7616 I'll see if I can start practicing and give you credit! Are you on Instagram?!
@gerdprengel76165 ай бұрын
Seldom, but be free to email me -> [email protected] . I just noticed that in the score Variation #1 actually should be #2 ...
@MotifMusicStudios5 ай бұрын
Very peaceful!
@GregHarradineComposer5 ай бұрын
How fascinating to hear this, thank you Gerd for bringing this draft to life! I think you've done a truly marvellous job. Bravo!
@GlaceonStudios5 ай бұрын
I will say, with this and the 4th movement I noticed your F# timpano was an octave too low, as in the original symphony it's a high F# timpani. I know it sounds better lower to be honest, but I do feel like to fit in more it should probably be at that range.
@gerdprengel76165 ай бұрын
I had checked it with the higher #F, but it just didnt sound well
@pjhaugh42685 ай бұрын
Does not sound like Lou in most passages, sounds like some sketches possibly enhanced. Please do not take this the wrong way, but later in his days he was so good at a prescribed method. I would say this is not anything he would endorse. But however you can clearly see his orchestration values in the opening.
@philippecirse48725 ай бұрын
Çevremizdeki dünya zayıfladığında, bir medeniyetin yapıları sarsıldığında, tarihte zayıflamayan, tam tersine cesareti geri getiren, ayrılanları bir araya getiren, yara almadan sakinleştiren şeye geri dönmek iyidir. Yok olmaya mahkum bir evrende de yaratılışın dehasının iş başında olduğunu hatırlamakta fayda var 🤠💥
@gerdprengel76165 ай бұрын
Can you translate it into English? I dont understand this language..
@philippecirse48725 ай бұрын
@@gerdprengel7616 Quand le monde qui nous entoure s'affaiblit, quand les structures d'une civilisation sont ébranlées, il est bon de revenir à ce qui dans l'histoire ne fragilise pas, mais au contraire redonne du courage, rassemble les séparés, calme sans blesser. Il est utile de rappeler que le génie de la création est à l’œuvre dans un univers voué à l’extinction 💥
@jerrycallison61255 ай бұрын
Beautiful work! It's a shame it isn't in the common repertoire of the major symphonies of the world. Unfortunately, they play only the same old, same old. Not that what they play is not worthy, but they leave unplayed such that ought be common names, but are totally obscured.
@canaleteatrale66625 ай бұрын
idiotic sound
@Stashi18086 ай бұрын
That coda though!!! All of it!!! If I just stumbled upon this at a concert hall, I literally would think you were an underated composition student of Beethoven from 1815 who waas a great composer. How long did this moovemnt alone take you to wrtie? It doesn't matter how long it took, I'm just purely curious.
@gerdprengel76166 ай бұрын
I don't remember it , but usually it takes me 4 - 6 weeks for one movement working on it in my spare time. If you would give me your email address I could send you the Beethoven draft for the mentioned double concerto - then you could imagine what you would do with it ;-)
@Stashi18086 ай бұрын
Beethoven quartet in B-flat op.18 No.6 mvt ii. I wss trying to place why this one makes me feel especially moved. It's like a lullaby. Excellent. That pizz section!!! I love your take. Sometimes and I may be guilty of this. People with any subject will steal things that were better off left alone. But I'm always extremely musically satisfied when hearing your takes on music. This is so lovely.❤ please keep doing these. Around 6:30 you morff the last nusical thought with the quartet op.18 motif. Genius!
@gprengelАй бұрын
Thank you , your comment makes me VERY glad :-)
@Stashi18086 ай бұрын
I'm just so shocked by how good this is. I was starting to like my music untill this. But ah well! I genuinely enjoy your's more than mine. Please keep making variations ad compositions. I'm shocked at what people said about your variations on Beethoven's piano sketch. It does not sound childish. It sounds genuinely passionate. Never let comments stop you! You are a genius. No one can take that from you!