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@aerenewables
@aerenewables Ай бұрын
love this video. can you tell me what the figures are for 250mm centres and 300mm please?? thank you
@andypag1071
@andypag1071 Ай бұрын
Do those multiplication factors have to be increased by 20% if using a heat pump?
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview Ай бұрын
Nope, no hard rules on this, it all comes to the output your trying to achieve in order to meet your heat losses, but if your talking about screeded systems then it never hurts to add more pipe regardless of the heat source
@andypag1071
@andypag1071 Ай бұрын
@@underfloorheatingreview thanks. Will you be doing more videos?
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview Ай бұрын
@@andypag1071 I would love too but I simply don’t have the time with young children and being active in the industry as my job. Maybe one day but I read all of the comments
@robb7177
@robb7177 3 ай бұрын
Clear and concise, thank you . I’m attempting this install but I only have to add 50 sq.meters of ufh to part of house that is on far side from baxi .I dug down 200mm in old stone section of house added 100mm insulation. I’m putting in the loops . A plumbing friend tells me the aluminum breaks down in the piping but I just used it anyway as everyone else uses this product in my area (ufh specific pipe from Italy) Question - can I keep single stage boiler , keep the water tank (immersion from boiler ) Keep the on off switch for rads (old style just which has temperature control on the baxi (on/off) And on my new ufl 4 port manifold just supply it from the 3/4” radiator main supply (at end of rad system) ? Perhaps I’m better of getting new thermostat, wiring control center and redoing all the controls with two thermostats (rads and ufh) Pump and boiler heat on for rads Pump and boiler heat on for ufl Controled from thermostat and or smart phone
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 3 ай бұрын
Hi Robb7177 Thanks, would not worry about the Ali pipe it very common and long lasting these days, as for the set up I would always recommend having the two systems seperated and independantly controlled not just for best practice but also userbility.
@tarassu
@tarassu 4 ай бұрын
DO NOT USE 12mm! Heat pumps are coming.
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 4 ай бұрын
Nothing wrong with using 12 or even 10mm pipe in UFH systems regardless of the heat source if the products are designed to suit. End of the day it’s all about flow rate, output and especially buildup. Many options out there so don’t let it put you off if you see smaller diameter pipes that allow you to add UFH to your home
@trojanhawrs4613
@trojanhawrs4613 4 ай бұрын
@@underfloorheatingreview How do you calculate the flow rate required for a loop?
@MHKBuildingSolutions
@MHKBuildingSolutions 4 ай бұрын
Hi mate, great video but your website doesn't work?
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 4 ай бұрын
Thank you 🙂, yes my website is longer active as I have been busy with other things of late
@MHKBuildingSolutions
@MHKBuildingSolutions 4 ай бұрын
@@underfloorheatingreview It will be good to have you back on here as your videos are very informative.
@ianaitchison9434
@ianaitchison9434 5 ай бұрын
Excellet explantion that has helped me no end to troubleshooting our new heating system.
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 5 ай бұрын
Great I could be of some help :-)
@TheLife0025
@TheLife0025 5 ай бұрын
Hi can we use two different pipe sizes with same manifold using an adapter. I'm thinking for using a 16mm pipe for my kitchen which has a larger area and 12mm pipe in hallway with wood floor which i will take out n install 60mm insulation between 100mm joists.
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 5 ай бұрын
Yes not a problem at all and is commonly done in many systems
@raptor186
@raptor186 6 ай бұрын
Great video
@alisweeney07
@alisweeney07 7 ай бұрын
At 8 minutes 30, you explain the signal is sent to boiler or potentially the 2 port after the call for heat. What is the need in the 2-port to the manifold when you’ve already got more than enough control?
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 7 ай бұрын
Hi, if it’s just an underfloor heating system then the two port valve is not necessary, the two port valve will allow the radiator part to function correctly, hope that helps
@identitywithheld1027
@identitywithheld1027 8 ай бұрын
I would encourage you to continue creating content.
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 8 ай бұрын
Thank you, when I have the time that’s my plan
@alanmarriott9216
@alanmarriott9216 9 ай бұрын
Great video but how are you expected to get multiple actuator wired into finest connector block in wiring centre?
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 9 ай бұрын
Hi Alan, the wiring center connection blocks can accept more than one actuator wire in most cases
@pauloreilly1208
@pauloreilly1208 10 ай бұрын
Hi Craig, just wondering what software you use to design loops and create the drawings?
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 10 ай бұрын
Hi Paul, this is AutoCAD LT with custom dynamic blocks
@lekanshanu5512
@lekanshanu5512 5 ай бұрын
Hi Paul No mention of heat loss calculation just wandered why , great video though
@Waldenpons
@Waldenpons 11 ай бұрын
Fantastic
@Waldenpons
@Waldenpons 11 ай бұрын
13:03 it’s been a few years now, how often the water be changed?
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 11 ай бұрын
Hi @Waldenpons, ideally when you get your boiler/ heat source serviced, if it’s been a few years then I would think about getting it sorted later this year
@Waldenpons
@Waldenpons 11 ай бұрын
Quick question, i replaced an actuator once it was connected the zone were the actuator belongs to (3 actuators) is calling for heat and turning on the pump and it will not shut off. Any idea what is causing it. ( a transformer was changed during that service).
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 11 ай бұрын
@@Waldenpons really hard to say but actuators do come in two flavours so to speak, normally open and normally closed, if the wrong one was installed it would act in the opposite way
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 11 ай бұрын
@@Waldenpons but if it’s calling for heat and the pump is running then it could be a faulty thermostat or wiring centre
@Waldenpons
@Waldenpons 11 ай бұрын
@@underfloorheatingreview yes sir. Thank you but it is the same brand and only one was changed. Will that one affect the other two in the same zone?
@AndyMcBlane
@AndyMcBlane Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, thanks! Answered so many questions I had
@kajasune8361
@kajasune8361 Жыл бұрын
It was really good explanation about how manifold works
@mouhssinzouaki3243
@mouhssinzouaki3243 Жыл бұрын
Good m'y brother
@phill3144
@phill3144 Жыл бұрын
How come you only have 4 videos, this channel could be absolutely amazing if you kept the content coming
@davidjenkins9842
@davidjenkins9842 Жыл бұрын
Is there a video about thermostats - especially how they are wired to the actuators and boiler control?
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview Жыл бұрын
Hi David, I will add it to my list of future videos, I hope this one helped
@euanowen4233
@euanowen4233 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, very informative. Should the UFH pump be wired to run simultaneously with the zone valve being opened and the boiler being called for heat? or Should the pump come on when the thermostat signals the zone valve to open beforehand?
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview Жыл бұрын
Hi euanowen, that’s a very good question. From my experience it will run when the signal is sent to the boiler/ zone valve, that being after a short delay from when the stat calls and the actuators are given time to open. But I am sure different wiring centres have different setups. Hope that helps :-)
@euanowen4233
@euanowen4233 Жыл бұрын
@@underfloorheatingreview Thank you!
@abrahamuk7403
@abrahamuk7403 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much
@PVflying
@PVflying Жыл бұрын
I have a Wirsbo brass manifold underfloor heating system installed in 2005 with electromechanical actuators on the manifold ports and thermostats which control this. Can I replace those actuators with a manual flow control so I can just set the rooms I want heated to be open and those rooms I don’t use i can shut off? I’m trying to get rid of the power consumption of the actuators and thermostats, plus I heard underfloor heating runs more efficiently if you leave the zones open and control temperature by adjusting the boiler flow temp.
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview Жыл бұрын
Hi PVflying, thank you for the comment, if you want to remove the actuators then its just a case of working out if the port is open or closed once the actuator is removed, in many cases they are open when the actuators are removed but not always the case, a screw cap can then be put in its place to close them (normally supplied with the manifold) Leaving zones open and just controlling the flow temp can be efficient but only in some circumstances such as a very large system with a large thermal mass (screed), in these cases the stat has unable to change the room temp quickly due the the heat or lack of in the screed. I would leave it alone or just shut down specific circuits if you really don't want them to be heated. Hope this helps and good luck.
@PVflying
@PVflying Жыл бұрын
@@underfloorheatingreview thanks! If I experiment by powering off the wiring centre that would cause the actuators to all be off, so I guess if that proves that the heat then flows to all zones I suppose I know that it’s safe to remove the actuators as it proves the default is for the zones to be open (as opposed to needing the actuators to press the pin down to open the zone). If this sounds right to you I’ll have a go and see what I can learn about my system
@parmbansal1
@parmbansal1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting this video together, it's very helpful and very well delivered. I have a 3-Zone system, kitchen, living room and hallway, they are each around 80 m run ufh pipe. My build never explained anything how to operate. When I used the underfloor heating it gets hot at the beginning part of the pipe like 30% you can feel it on your feet, the rest is generally cold uncomfortable to walk on doesn't get hot. The flow rate is around 3/4L on each zone. I've tried to play with the pump and put it on a higher setting didn't really make a difference. Any advice you could shoot my way would be greatly appreciated, as I've been ripped off on my first round :-( Thanking you in advance
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview Жыл бұрын
Hi parmbansal1, thank you for your comment, pretty tricky to diagnose online but can you tell me what type of system it is, i.e. within a screed? Worth trying to run the system for a long period of time to ensure the floor has time to heat up and touch the 3x flow and returns to see if you can feel or measure a difference between them
@David-bl1bt
@David-bl1bt 9 ай бұрын
It is typically that the system has not been designed properly such that the circuit on question is too large. Rooms sometimes have two or more circuits to alleviate the problem that you are experiencing
@johnb7644
@johnb7644 Жыл бұрын
Hi great instructional videos, when I turn my ufh mixing valve down it thumps when it’s introducing cool water into the manifold is this normal
@torreslondon7541
@torreslondon7541 Жыл бұрын
I have moved into a house where the UFH manifold appears to have been installed the wrong way around: flowmeters on return and TRVs (with thermostat actuators) on flow (hot water in). The system works, but the flow meters always show zero. I assume to make the system work at its full efficiency the manifold needs to be planned the right way round (the reverse of what mine is)?
@MrJnrc
@MrJnrc Жыл бұрын
Hi good explanation of the system. However you did not explain the auto vent valves and drain and pressure release parts at the end of the manifold. My top auto vent valve is leaking. I assume I need to depressurise before removing and replacing/ cleaning?
@FlickSpot
@FlickSpot Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video. One question; I noticed that the on the UFH manifolds in my house the Actuators are on the ‘Supply’ arm and the Flow indicators are on the ‘Return’ arm, which is the opposite of your diagram. Does that matter ?
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview Жыл бұрын
Hi, Flickspot, some manifolds have different configurations to the one I had shown but take a look at this for a little more detail omnie.co.uk/omnie-precision-flo-2018-manifold/?resource=Underfloor%20Heating
@thornhillplumbing
@thornhillplumbing Жыл бұрын
In your example would the underfloor circuit need some form of hydraulic separation (close coupled tees or low loss header) between the ufh zone valve and the manifold to stop the underfloor heating pump affecting the boiler's own pump? Or does the underfloor heating pump not affect any pressures in the primary flow and returns from the boiler ? I hope my question is clear as I need to understand this. Thanks
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview Жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for the comment. If just using UFH only then this is not and issue, however when using rads and UFH combined its best to install a low-loss header, that's what I did :)
@thornhillplumbing
@thornhillplumbing Жыл бұрын
@@underfloorheatingreview thanks for your reply
@didogeorgiev6745
@didogeorgiev6745 Жыл бұрын
Hi there, great video. I have a question about how wire up the heat miser properly. I have 4 zones UFH at my ground floor premises and radiators upstairs my bedrooms. It all fed by Worster Bosch boiler . I have two ports valve installed for each one - radiators system and UFH system. I have 5 core cable between the boiler and the heatmiser. The boiler is controlled by RF Honeywell thermostat. My question is if you could help me wire the two port valves to the heatmiser, as there is only one slot for two port valve . And the other one is how to wire the boiler to the heatmiser? Do I really need 5 core cable to the miser. Appreciate for any help. Thank you
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview Жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for the comment but your gonna need an electrician for that
@jameshansing5396
@jameshansing5396 Жыл бұрын
Really helpful as a Spark in training. Always best to know exactly what ya wires are controlling :)
@SBTRIS
@SBTRIS Жыл бұрын
Fantastic conent - with heatpumps becoming more popular which can reverse their cycle and provide cooling ( during hot summer days), will conventional manifolds work or will that need a different set up?
@handle1196
@handle1196 Жыл бұрын
If 200mm centres is floor area X 5, and 100mm is X 10, why is 150mm X by 6.6 and not 7.5?
@handle1196
@handle1196 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant content, do you offer a service to calculate and design snail pattern pipe layouts? I have my heat loss calculations for a self build low temperature system, radiators up and ufh ground floor, but I'm struggling to understand how i get the ufh to match a certain heat loss requirement. Example: a 22m2 room will need filled with pipe regardless, but how do select the pipe centres required for that heat loss and then fine tune it. 50mm spacing jumps make a lot of difference to kw heat output.
@truthwillout7909
@truthwillout7909 Жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you
@PAULOatham
@PAULOatham Жыл бұрын
Great video(s). Where do you calculate the distance to manifold?
@phill3144
@phill3144 Жыл бұрын
It's from the entry point of the pipe of the room to where ever the manifold is sifuated
@George-zd2gr
@George-zd2gr 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, really helpful! THANKS!
@TheJoZeba
@TheJoZeba 2 жыл бұрын
Very useful! But how I choose between these distances 200, 150 & 100mm?
@undefinednotfound
@undefinednotfound 2 жыл бұрын
i do 150mm
@xxwookey
@xxwookey 6 ай бұрын
You need to know the heat load for each room, although ultimately the most efficient design is always 100mm spacing because that keeps your DT down and that makes for a high COP. The most efficient design will always use more pipe, but this is generally a good investment.
@underfloorparts
@underfloorparts 2 жыл бұрын
Really helpful video for the community Underfloor Heating Review!🤩
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you UFP 👍
@Anthonytunes1
@Anthonytunes1 2 жыл бұрын
Really well put together and accurately informative.
@AwestruckChemicals
@AwestruckChemicals 2 жыл бұрын
But surely the amount of pipe required will depend on the heat load of the particular room no?
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 2 жыл бұрын
Yes and other factors such as flow temp and the floor finish will effect this, in most cases companies will over spec so that losses are met, for example some companies will install all pipe at 100mm ctrs regardless of the load, this allows them to future proof the design so if for example the customer wants to use a heat pump in the future then the system will still work at a lower flow temp
@AwestruckChemicals
@AwestruckChemicals 2 жыл бұрын
@@underfloorheatingreview But if I only do this calculation for amount of pipe required, then isn't there a risk that after installation it turns out that I haven't put enough pipe in to meet the required heat load (no matter how much I increase flow temp)?
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 2 жыл бұрын
@@AwestruckChemicals if your concerned and the property has high losses then I first recommend finding this requirement and calculating the W/m2 required - you can then compare this with the outputs of your chosen UFH suppliers system
@AwestruckChemicals
@AwestruckChemicals 2 жыл бұрын
@@underfloorheatingreview thanks
@rayleggett3150
@rayleggett3150 2 жыл бұрын
How many videos do you have because i need to know every thing about design and spec
@christinerobertson513
@christinerobertson513 2 жыл бұрын
Can you clean air flow valves. Mine are completely black and you can't see if there is any flow.
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Christine, thanks for the comment, they can be cleaned but the system will need to be properly flushed, dark fluid in the system is not uncommon but suggests to me that it would be a good time to service your system and refill with water / inhibitor to keep it running correctly
@AlexM-ne2gt
@AlexM-ne2gt 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for clarifying
@apgx6032
@apgx6032 2 жыл бұрын
At Christmas I had to have an old Drayton actuator valve replaced on my UFH manifold and also the three port valve changed. I’m finding when the underfloor heating is on the pipes running into the radiator and hot water motorised valves in the boiler cupboard are roaring hot. Both valves sound to be running although the indicator lights are not ignited as they would be had I turned the rads and hot water on. Any ideas?
@apgx6032
@apgx6032 2 жыл бұрын
At Christmas I had to have an old Drayton actuator valve replaced on my UFH manifold and also the three port valve changed. I’m finding when the underfloor heating is on the pipes running into the radiator and hot water motorised valves in the boiler cupboard are roaring hot. Both valves sound to be running although the indicator lights are not ignited as they would be had I turned the rads and hot water on. Any ideas?
@simongeorge703
@simongeorge703 2 жыл бұрын
Great video... A question for you. I have a fairly large system, two UFH manifolds, one hot water cylinder (mains pressure) and two radiators circuits. Recently had some issues with rtn flows not letting rad circuits to get warm, so had some of the supply and rtn branches replumbed in 28mm copper so ALL circuits come off the 28 and rtn to a 28 common rtn to the boiler. However, the UFH heating manifolds (Myson Premier) are not managing to keep themselves stable. Set them to 40 and yet they go up to 55degrees. I do not think its leaking mixers as they both started playing up when the supply/rtn branches were replumbed in the main boiler room. I have a hunch that they are reverse feeding from the CH rtn when none/few of other circuits are open and thus the auto bypass valve is letting a lot of flow to "short circuit" the system. Specifically when i first turn the UFH on, the rtn output from the manifold gets hot "very quickly" which i would not expect. Thoughts? Seen this before? Contemplating fitting non-rtn valves on the CH rtn from the manifolds to stop this.... BUT as the UFH mixer actually draws water BACK from the CH Rtn when it thinks it needs to cool things down this "could" cause a vacuum. Thinking.....
@thornhillplumbing
@thornhillplumbing Жыл бұрын
Does it draw water from the return? Or does it just use the water on the return arm of the manifold to cool and only draw from the flow when extra heat is needed?
@thornhillplumbing
@thornhillplumbing Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking the manifold never draws water from the heating return . It only draws hot water from the flow when it needs to heat up the underfloor flow temperature. The cooler water is drawn from the return arm of the underfloor pipework.
@handle1196
@handle1196 2 жыл бұрын
Which pipe is better for ufh in screed new build standard? Evoh or alu? Im also wanting to use 16mm pipe to do my upstairs radiators too, over sized for lower delta T and linked via a ufh manifold in a radial layout. Are all manifolds suitable for this or only some of them?
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, pipe type is really personal preference or whatever your UFH supplier offers, i have used both without issue. As for the manifold/s then its best not to run your rads off the UFH manifold as the temp required will be higher than that of the UFH system
@handle1196
@handle1196 2 жыл бұрын
@@underfloorheatingreview i was going to use a second ufh manifold upstairs separate to the ground floor one using two 2 port valves. Radiators set at 60 degrees so less blending as per your video. Emetti do a manifold just for radiators but its jhst identical to all others unless its different material. I just didnt want to select evoh pipe if it was lesser quality
@handle1196
@handle1196 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, I have two questions. 1. Can you have some areas/rooms on open circuit, so they come on when any zone is calling for heat, ie a central hallway on open circuit? 2. Can you pipe an UFH circuit to a ground floor bathroom towel rail and if so, would you have it on its own circuit or part of a room floor loop?
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, 1. Yes this is possible and done often, just remember your loosing the ability to control these circuits, you can always change this later 2. If you need to run a towel rail off the UFH manifold then remember it will only get as hot as the UFH flow temp so i would consider oversizing it or run it off a rad circuit if possible
@handle1196
@handle1196 2 жыл бұрын
@@underfloorheatingreview thanks. Hope to see more great videos. Very informative and clear
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 2 жыл бұрын
@@handle1196 Cheers Dan
@michaelhodgkiss7920
@michaelhodgkiss7920 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and really helped me understand our system. Have Polypipe UFH in 2 areas; ground floor bedroom/bathroom extension on one manifold & thermostat ( all working well), 2nd in large lounge/kitchen on 2nd manifold & thermostat/programmer which is not reaching all parts and rarely gets to the temp set. The 2zone valve was changed and plumber returning to fit new actuators/pin valves. Hopefully this will sort it unless you think there could be another problem. But to complicate matters, we also have radiators to the old part of the house both upstairs and downstairs controlled by a 3rd Polypipe thermostat/timer. This all works ok some of the time but on some days despite the thermostat calling for heat the boiler doesn’t come on, all the radiators stay cold. Are the two issues linked do you think? How does the radiator part of the system relate to and work alongside the UFH? I’ve tried to find any logic to when the radiators do not come on but can’t find any. Any suggestions would be very welcome. Thank you so much.
@thornhillplumbing
@thornhillplumbing Жыл бұрын
The radiator circuit will have its own thermostat, timer and zone valve. If the radiator circuit is not coming on when you ask it to , one of those three components is faulty.
@anthonytimoney2956
@anthonytimoney2956 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed that video. Very well explained. May I ask if a manifold can be used solely for radiators on their own at 65 or so degrees?
@underfloorheatingreview
@underfloorheatingreview 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Anthony, glad you liked it, yes manifolds for just radiators are becoming popular because of the control options, the manifolds are less complex as the mixing valve and pumps are not usually required, hope that helps