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We are concerned about the trend in that direction as well - but these jet boats are TOO LARGE - with 25 seats - and too frequent, thus dominating the river that was traditionally fishing and floating

You're probably right, but we are trying to get people to pay attention and educate themselves - this company has been growing since beginning in 2017 with a 10-seat boat, then an 18 seat and now a 25 seat - and TODAY ALL THREE IN SUCCESSION ONE AFTER ANOTHER

@@LisaJames-mj4cn 🤣 maybe they can be spaced out evenly so they are in your front yard longer haha. They idle past your house too. Minor detail I’m sure you care to bring to others attention. Maybe we should talk about the countless acres of soil and land a certain construction company has destroyed or permanently altered for profit, or the river habit that has been permanently altered and changed so views of the river could be improved??

From where to where? I've owned a jet boat for over 30 years - there are sections you can't - and this should be another section to protect.

@@LisaJames-mj4cn “Should” is a word of arrogance, conceit and fear. It's the word used when a person insists he knows what's best for someone else. It's the word uttered when a person's pride matters more than his ability to relate to a fellow human being.

They haven't abided by no wake zones - so why would they comply? They installed two metal boat ramps in the kids swimming hole at the State Park - they don't care if it inhibits families - they're making $$

We wish they would abide by the NO WAKE Zone already in place - but they don't - and the Sherrif doesn't enforce

@@LisaJames-mj4cn where is there a no wake zone?

Really? Do you think there aren't any other restrictions on any other rivers even in Oregon? Or lakes like Fish Lake with NO Motors? They are all over the place - all for good reasons. Nobody was paying attention to this company as their boats and trips grew and grew until they now dominate and obstruct other non-motorized users?

Check out what is called REGULATIONS AND PROTECTIONS - IT'S NOT A RIGHT, ITS A PRIVELEDGE www.oregon.gov/OSMB/Pages/Motorboat-Restrictions.aspx

@@LisaJames-mj4cn motors are allowed on fish lake.

@@nickfitzpatrick7808 You are correct - just can't go over 10 MPH - that would be great

"Bedrock right?" This ain't the wild west anymore Siski - Take a look at the regulations in Oregon already. www.oregon.gov/OSMB/Pages/Motorboat-Restrictions.aspx?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2voJDh7DXROT05MCD1wgTSz3lN_XLX0XX2ruVzlDhh1xsVteGeaW1prdM_aem_AS1l-jLLFbG-2ljgAMZ52KBCf_yngXhu7wC3ZviNnSG3tCT_gA49vF2gPyeYt7CWdU-RZPJk_NWmbq2FeQpFLSBQ

Hello Nick, Your comment makes me stop and think. Thank you for that. I have two thoughts to share with you: First, we need quiet places in nature in order to stay in touch with our own stillness, which is the source of my peacemaking efforts. It's my experience that Oregon rivers have profound lessons to teach, if only we can hear them. If jet boats are not regulated we will get rid of places---in this noisy tumultuous world---where we can be quiet and tap into our wisdom. Second, working with Upper Rogue Guardians has been an example of peacemaking. We come from different socioeconomic levels, different ages and different political party affiliations. We have members from Shady Cove, Eagle Point, Sams Valley, Central Point, Jacksonville, the Applegate, Medford, Phoenix, Talent and Ashland. We disagree on many things, but we work together because we know that restoring the life-sustaining role the Rogue River has played in our valley for millenia is important. This work gives me hope: isn't this the way American democracy is supposed to work?

She's actually being a consummate peacekeeper?

@@annebatzer7340 why haven’t you invited jet boaters into the conversation. Ultimately, the rogue river and rivers in general is a special and sacred thing in my life. I come from a rafting background and I love rafting but I also love jet boating and being out on the river on a jet boat. I also enjoy fishing and having a jet boat allows for travel up river to fishing holes. How have you guys kept peace? Seems like a smear campaign to me. When (what time of the year) was the footage of the salmon spawning in the shallows taken? And where was that footage taken?

If living on the river gives you peace then so be it. Not all of us can be so blessed. However, it’s rather selfish to not share the river with others so they can find their peace as well.

Jet boats pollute the air, water, and ears of all living things. They disrupt spawning fish from procreating future fish. There is absolutely no reason for them to be on this entire river.

Troll seems an appropriate name for you

Others tried back in 2017 - each time they lose their permits they find a new way around it - just like they have yet again - operating out of our State Park even after their concessionaire's permit was cancelled and after more than 1,300 complaints were sent to State Parks?

If they could be limited to two or so days a week like they do on the Deschutes if nothing else.

I owned a jet boat for over 30 years - we drove it below Touvelle, not above? Not true that they create less wake - especially NOT A HUGE 25 SEAT JET BOAT?

less wake than a drift boat, BS.

That's one of our questions - when is it too many trips and too large of boats? It already is - when they started, they said "due to the special nature of the Upper Rogue, they'd never use a jet boat over 16 passengers", but money seems to have made them lose that commitment and memory - now with 25 seats plus driver???

throling motor ar fine lol ...

NOT BIG CORPORATE 25 SEAT JET BOATS 12 X A DAY?????

@@LisaJames-mj4cn 9 max

Yes I know my grandparents live next to Zane Grey back in the day and my parents live close to the river too. But they should regulate and control the jet boats because it’s like everything else it’s getting out of hand and needs better supervision!

Not above TouVelle State park. 66 years fishing the upper Rogue. Cut the BS

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Hello John, Thank you for watching our video and for commenting. I wish there were more studies on jet boats and environmental damage. Science is imperfect. But careful, peer-reviewed studies are one of very few tools we have for making predictions. There are studies on jet boats and their disruption of salmon habitat: a Snake River study and an Alaska study, as well as international studies. The Snake river study looks at how repeated jet boat trips on upper rivers disrupt salmon habitat---the same situation we have on the upper Rogue River. The local office of the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife has issued guidelines limiting the times of year jet boats should be allowed on the upper Rogue. Unfortunately, the tour boats company that operates out of TouVelle State Park ignores there guidelines and runs multiple tours whenever it wants to.

​@annebatzer7340 gonna have a hard time finding, or generating any scientific data on jet boat traffic causing more erosion of riparian areas, than spring flooding does. I would almost bet my life's worth that spring flooding is exponentially worse

@@benblazek3305 You are aware that the Rogue flow is controlled by the Corp of Engineers at Lost Creek Lake? There isn't flooding - hasn't been for over 60 years. This section of the Upper Rogue is more narrow, more shallow and more susceptible to impacts and damages than how large it is down at Grants Pass - that's what the studies showed at Snake River - the Upper Sections are more fragile and important habitat. CHECK OUT RESTRICTIONS IN OREGON FOR THE SAME REASONS: www.oregon.gov/OSMB/Pages/Motorboat-Restrictions.aspx

@LisaJames-mj4cn does this dam hold back every single drop of spring rain. Or does this stretch have some special hocus pocus going on? I believe the dam "controls spring floods", but to say it eliminates it is outright foolish. Surely the water levels fluctuate from rain, which does still cause erosion. Maybe not at the rates catastrophic flooding caused prior to the dam. However, it will continue happening with or without the commercial boats present

The tours are running already?!? I didn’t think they started yet! Thanks! I’ll book with Jerry’s today.

3 trips a day with 3 boats. 3x3=9. Every day? Last I checked they start in May and end Sept. 1st before spawning season happens… hmm every day? False statement. Let’s see January, February, March, April, September, October, November and December 8 out or 12 months with no tours. Sorry you have to share the river “every day”

Not a huge deal on regular nights. Friday nights and concert nights they make a ton of trips shuttling people down. Probably every 10 minutes a boat is flying by.

The two trees that we are highlighting have yellow paint banding their bases, labeled by the US Fish and Wildlife Service, meaning they were marked to be retained as old-growth habitat trees for critical wildlife species. This is strictly fact and science.