Orienteering in Ravneholm, Denmark
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AMOK MetrO Cup 2024 Ørestad City
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@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 15 күн бұрын
Good run, and yes very scenic. Michael is trying to help me with his headcam program, and I have a question. Can I use a gopro file thats already had its sections merged as the host video in the first section?
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 15 күн бұрын
Yes. That should work just fine.
@gordhun3497
@gordhun3497 Ай бұрын
Second hint: If you start later in the competition and there are fresh leaves on the ground there is a chance there will be a fresh path to lead you to the control. Not illegal, not unethical. It's just something the course setter did not account for when setting the courses. Solution: Put more contols in the area, even i some are 'dummies'.
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen Ай бұрын
At this event we had a mass-start and as far as I remember this was the second last control where course and runners met again. And true: Orienteering does include a bit of looking for clues, like "trails" in leaves, grass or ferns - and especially for footsteps in case there's snow on the ground. Sometimes you'll get help because another runner is just leaving a control. But often those clues may be misleading, so often it's better to focus on reading the map. In this video the main focus was on learning the technical aspect of following curves as a handrail.
@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 Ай бұрын
I would say you probably couldve followed the guy in blue…except he was like the roadrunner to your coyote…Beep,Beep!
@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 Ай бұрын
Thx for sharing. Were you trying to navigate using less obvious features as opposed to the two rides on the way to #2?...🤔 video was blacking out several times...
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen Ай бұрын
Thank you. Yes, my first idea was to use the rides you mention, but I had a hard time locating them and therefore hesitated way too long on the path right after control 1. I therefore decided that I could simply use the slopes as catching features which would guide me to the control. The map indicates that I would have to walk through the thicket, but it was actually fairly open and I just needed to keep a compass bearing in the right direction. "Rides" in Danish forests (called "hugninger" - aka "clearances in Danish) vary greatly in visibility. In some areas they are as easy to follow as paths. In other areas they are simply the remnants of the paths of logging machines. Here I believe they were visible, but if you look closely at the map indicates, they don't really attach to the main path. I missed that detail. I just rewatched that part of the video, and the video doesn't black out at my end. It may help if you adjust the Youbute quality to "automatic".
@michaelhoukjrrolighed9054
@michaelhoukjrrolighed9054 3 ай бұрын
Spændende at følge dit løb! Godt filmet og godt lavet med banen på kortudsnit og GPS track!!
@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 3 ай бұрын
Neat little event…i cant believe though they didnt make the narrow vegetation strip by the canal behind the building off limits…or for that matter…even made it something besides white…
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 3 ай бұрын
As mentioned this was a special collaboration. A Swiss club (OL Regio Wil) visited Denmark for a training camp. They organized open training events and simply borrowed our maps. (In return we could participate free of charge) When the Swiss club printed the maps, they decided to turn off the brown colors normally used to show asfalt and gravel-roads (501) in order to make the contrast better and the map easier to read. That does make the map look a bit "unfinished". But it was just a training event, and although it was our maps, it wasn't for us to decide. In the original file the area along the canal has been drawn as "Paved area" (501), but it should have been drawn as "Rough open land" (403) which is often used for areas with grass-areas that are not moved regularly. There are no signs indicating that it's not allowed to run on the edge of the canal and although you run close to the building you can't really see into the flats. You can see that there's a small path as some people choose to walk through this way.
@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 3 ай бұрын
Is that olive drab green color an urban-O specific? It seems no one ever runs thru those areas. Or is there an even more specific meet detail that runners must stay on asphalt like a trail-O?
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 3 ай бұрын
Areas that are mapped with the olive green color are areas "that shall not be crossed" and it's used on all types of orienteering maps. It's normally used for gardens, flowerbeds, private areas or railways. You can find a description of all legends/signatures here: omapwiki.orienteering.sport/specifications/issprom/ The olive green has #520.
@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 4 ай бұрын
Nice shot of the architecture at 4:50…and the HUGE Lidl store…thanks.
@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 4 ай бұрын
You really kinda blew thru that like Indians through a wagon train!!! Also the voice level was pretty low. I had success making a QR map with two older events...they were the only ones that did not crash due to gps track error. Unfortunately I was not using my headcam at those events...😒 but I guess I can go back sometime and re-run the route with my hero...and then for the two that failed, also do those with new gps track and see how they turn out.
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 4 ай бұрын
I would recommend that you pause / rewind the video every time there's something where you need to get the exact details. You suggest re-running an event with a go-pro, and that's off course an option, although there won't be any controls. But the first couple of times that I made GoPro-videos there were mistake. At some events I forget to start either the camera or the watch. I would just recommend that you use your GoPro at the next few events instead of trying to fix older events. With a little patience you'll get the hang of it, and as soon as the routine is there you can produce Headcam-Orienteering videos in 1-2 hours. By the way: I may make a new version of the above video, as it didn't record some of the pop-up windows properly.
@artemfokin4872
@artemfokin4872 4 ай бұрын
Nice course
@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 4 ай бұрын
Would I be correct in saying that you use the HO program instead of Avidemux for the video portion...or does it have several functions that also incorporate what people use Orientview for?
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 4 ай бұрын
I haven't used those two programmes. But this is what our programme "Headcam Orienteering" does: First you use Quickroute to adjust the route and mark controls. You export the map and the tracking. In Headcam Orienteering you simply import the videofiles, the map and the routedata (from Quickroute). From that input Headcam Orienteering automatically generates a video with integrated map and tracking. Headcam Orienteering has some helpful features: - It automatically merges videofiles (GoPro-videos are often split in several files) - It helps you synchronize tracking and video. - It allows you to customize the map window(s) in size and placement - There are features which allows you to tilt the video, improve contrast, remove sound or ad music, etc. You can download version 5.3 and simply run it for free. If you find things you would like improved you can just send an e-mail and we'll consider them for the next revision.
@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 4 ай бұрын
Yes we have events all year long, and the vegetation becomes much more impassable this time of year. Many clubs cease to hold events for that reason. But obviously if you have to stay on the paths on a Brown or Green course...your 5.7 k will be 7.5k!! lol
@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 4 ай бұрын
Not sure if youre reading comments on this...but it would be critical if you were to tell viewers actually which programs you are using...
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 4 ай бұрын
Hi John, Yes - I read all comments and try to answer questions to the best of my ability. The video above provides instructions for our programme "Headcam Orienteering" vers. 3.0. Meanwhile we have upgraded the programme to version 5.3 and we're also in the process of making a new instruction video. To make a headcam-video you need two programmes. - Quickroute (to adjust your route and mark where the controls are) - Headcam Orienteering (To join video, tracking and map - and adjust timing, map, tilt, etc). Read the full instructions and download the programmes here: wobelix.dk/blog/instructions-for-headcam-orienteering-quickroute/ Here's an example of a video I've made with Headcam Orienteering. Music was added in KZbin Studio. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4TRc3uknrugm9k The video was recorded with a GoPro 12 camera, tracking was recorded with my Garmin watch and the map is a PDF-copy provided by the course-setter.
@gabibetancor4293
@gabibetancor4293 5 ай бұрын
Hola amigo, tienes un tutorial de quickroute? En el programa no me sale el apartado gpx file. Puedes ayudarme?
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 5 ай бұрын
I've made a short video-introduction to Quickroute. I hope it is useful. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZWTfJmdjKuLm5Y Please notice that this video provides instructions for Headcam Orienteering v. 3.0. We have developed the programme quite a lot since then and if you visit our site you can downloade v. 5.3 for free. Notice that there's no installation procedure. You simply download the files, unzip them and run the programme. wobelix.dk/blog/download-headcam-orienteering-quickroute/
@gabibetancor4293
@gabibetancor4293 5 ай бұрын
@@ErnstPoulsen Estupendo amigo. Este sabado grabare un entrenamiento de prueba y tratare de usar quickroute y mi camara go pro hero 7 white. No tiene estabilizador, se mueve demasiado, pero tratare de compilar el video a ver si logro hacer un video de la carrera entera. Puedo contactar contigo dorectamente por algún medio? O te molesto si te hago preguntas? Gracias amigo.
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 5 ай бұрын
@@gabibetancor4293 Good luck with the test. Headcam Orienteering has a feature which allows you to stabilize the video, so just use that feature. The challenge with GoPro 8 and below is often the battery, which may only last 45 minutes, but sometimes a store-fresh battery will add 10-15 minutes. You may contact me at [email protected] with specific questions and feedback about Headcam Orienteering.
@UrbanOrienteering
@UrbanOrienteering 5 ай бұрын
Hi Ernst, hope you are keeping well! Watching your latest video... I noticed that there seems to be a lot of detail missing from the map, is it still to be finished? All the best, Brian
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 5 ай бұрын
Hi Brian, Thank you very much. This map covers "Ørestad City" a newly developed suburb on the island of Amager, and your observation is spot on. The southern part of the map was drawn a couple of years ago and has more detail, but north of the park-area everything has been one big building site for the last couple of years. You can also see that most trees are very thin and small and the greenery in the court yards has just been planted last year. We had a few discussions in the club about the amount of detail needed and we were in the field just five days before the event adding extra detail (I would have liked even more details, but none of the 250 participants complained about the map). In the video you barely see other runners, but that's simply because those who organize the event (I was event manager) try to see if we can run a short course at the end of the event, where we're mostly just waiting for the last runners to finish. You'll find my photos from the event here: facebook.com/photo?fbid=1162554158441329&set=pcb.1162554321774646 Next week there's a new event on Christianshavn (where you were supposed to have run). I'll try to make a video from that event too).
@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 6 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing your day. What are the music credits by the way? I like the stuff from about 4 or5 till 11.
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 6 ай бұрын
The music is all from the KZbin music-libraby. I try to find music that is happy, upbeat and not too extreme in tempo or style. KZbin inserts a reference for a lot of the music credits in the notes (if you expand the notes there should be a list with titel and credits for the musicians.
@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 6 ай бұрын
Hmmmm...after seeing 5,6,7 and 10....that’ course is what we call “yellow/orange”. The complexity of those, plus the distance puts it just under a green short advanced.... www.floridaorienteering.org/tutorial/correctcourse.htm
@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 6 ай бұрын
Is this “easy” course a yellow? I’m asking because generally our easy course is white, and all controls are on trails. Seems like #1.could have been , but when you passed a control about halfway there right by the road I knew different. Also, #2 is not. Sometimes I guess you need a chilldown run! I have not heard of a black course under iof designations. Is hat a local thing? You’re right, we have events in places where it’s so flat, trying to find enough features to use is tough.
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 6 ай бұрын
This course is a normal H60 (Mens 60) and the course setter has the freedom to make this as difficult as possible. However, as you can see, the first part of the course is fairly easy, mainly due to the landscape - a fairly new park west of Copenhagen. Controls 11 - 13 are a little harder and 16 is as difficult as it gets in this terrain. If you want to see a regular "brown/black" course from Denmark you can look at the Long Course from "Danish Spring": kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKbVonR7o8qJm7c We don't use the IOF color-system which includes length. But it's very close: We grade courses as: green: begynder / beginner white: let / easy yellow: mellemsvær / medium", black: svær / difficult blue: svær / difficult - but accessible for elderly runners (no steep hills or deep ditches)
@GuoKaicn
@GuoKaicn 7 ай бұрын
Hi Ernst, great video. btw, could you introduce your process of headcam video. How did you put two maps on it? thanks.
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 7 ай бұрын
It's all done using standard software, so anyone can do it. 1) Record you run using a smartwatch or phone (tracking) and an action camera like GoPro. I use a cheap Garmin watch and a GoPro 12 camera. 2) I get a jpg-copy of the map and use the app "Quickroute" (free) to adjust the tracking to be precisely right. I add all the control points. Finally I export the adjusted map and an xml-file with all the trackingdata. 3) I use the app "Headcam Orienteering" (free) which I have made together with Michael Møller. In this app you simply import the map, the xml-file and the GoPro-videofiles and it will generate a video with integrated map (one or two). The app helps you adjust the timing, allows you to improve the video-quality and you can choose where and how the maps should be. In this case I have used a small zoom-window and a larger "leg"-window. You can download Headcam Orienteering v. 5.3 here: wobelix.dk/blog/headcam-orienteering/
@GuoKaicn
@GuoKaicn 7 ай бұрын
@@ErnstPoulsen Impressive feature of dual maps.
@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your run. What camera and settings do you use? The video appears a little fuzzy...I wonder if the Euro youtube server has high latency?
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 7 ай бұрын
It's actually a new GoPro 12 camera and although I didn't use the highest quality-setting for this event (to conserve battery), the original file is of a fairly high quality. I'm still experimenting with settings in the camera, and the Danish Spring-short event (which took place one day later) I recorded in 5.3K, but it also meets the limitations of the various programmes I use afterwards. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJaVeo2be9hoeLM The weather was a little greyish and the landscape a little bleak and I didn't adjust any of that - but could probably have improved it with a little more contrast in Adobe Premiere Pro. I use the Headcam Orienteering app to integrate map and tracking into the video and this app exports in 1980px, which should be fine. I can't see what you are seeing, but in general I can recommend the GoPro 12, which has excellent stabilization, horisontal lock and much better battery capacity than my previous GoPro 8 camera. In may I expect to record four events, and hope to get some days with more sunshine.
@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 7 ай бұрын
What was the control feature for #2...depression...or rootstock? if it was depression...the course setter improperly hid the control behind something...that is not allowed...and generally controls should be between knee and waist high...or chest high for anything like white or yellow.
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 7 ай бұрын
Yes. Control #2 was in a small depression. There's a very small marking of "slow running" (undergrowth) in the depression, and in general Danish forests are getting more and more "fallen trees" as they're leaving them out to rot - to allow for more insects. And, you're right. The control was a little hidden behind the fallen log, but I wasn't in doubt, so didn't loose time on that one. In general Store Dyrehave is a fairly open forrest at this time of year. Finding controls in August is always much more tricky.
@johnrobertson7583
@johnrobertson7583 7 ай бұрын
Hello thanks for sharing the run and the info. I glanced at LiveLox, but did see any events recently in Denmark.
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 7 ай бұрын
You'll find tracks from most Danish events at www.o-track.dk. If you're looking for upcoming events they may be found at www.orienteringslob.dk. If you're visiting Denmark at at specific time, send me and e-mail and I'll point you in the direction of some events. ([email protected])
@UrbanOrienteering
@UrbanOrienteering 9 ай бұрын
Thanks Ernst, great video as always 👍
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 9 ай бұрын
Thank you. I'm hoping that by recording a variation of runs it will be easier to produce markering-videos for the sport of orienteering along the way.
@TerjeMathisen
@TerjeMathisen Жыл бұрын
Brukbar orientering, men litt lite planlegging av neste strekk før du stempler? Dvs mye nøling på vei ut, og noen ganger dårlig retning.
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen Жыл бұрын
Tak for kommentaren. Jeg værdsætter især at det er så konstruktiv respons. Det er helt korrekt, at jeg flere gange standser op ved posterne og har problemer med retningen. Sidst på banen går det helt galt og jeg laver to større bom. Den ene årsag er manglende kondition. MEN - Jeg undrede mig selv over de to sidste bom, og da jeg kom hjem opdagede jeg, at mit kompas utroligt nok ikke fungerer ret godt længere. Hvis kompasset ikke bliver holdt helt, helt fladt, så viser det nemt 20-30 grader forkert i tilfældig retning. Det lød umiddelbart som en meget dårlig undskyldning, så jeg har sammenlignet med to andre kompasser og de er langt mere stabile til at vise mod nord. Jeg gætter på, at årsagen kan være at kompasset har fået et slag, så nålen ikke kan dreje ubesværet tilbage. En anden mulighed er, at kompasset efterhånden har mistet sin magnetisme. Jeg har også lånt et kompas fra en klubkammerat, hvis kompas 100% har mistet evnen til at vise mod nord. I næste weekend får jeg adgang til en kraftig magnet, og så vil jeg se om jeg kan gen-magnetisere de to kompasser. Formålet med mine videoer er i øvrigt netop at samle på materiale der kan bruges til korte undervisningsvideoer. Det fungerer ofte godt, hvis jeg laver fejl. Den type videoer tager dog en del tid at lave, så jeg har foreløbigt kun nået at lave to som test: Bom-analyse (sekund-tab på de første 5 poster): kzbin.info/www/bejne/fauaiKBuhKd7sKc AMOK's O-skole: To bom reddet med kompas-tjek facebook.com/amagerok/videos/302076685783021/
@vorfolus
@vorfolus Жыл бұрын
00:25 It's me :)
@matsnissila
@matsnissila Жыл бұрын
Wrong
@matsnissila
@matsnissila Жыл бұрын
I have problem with the map. It turné in the Wrangel direktion.
@gmilne13
@gmilne13 Жыл бұрын
Missed #5 ;) great slide before #9 . . or was it the untied shoelace ;)
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen Жыл бұрын
Exactly right. Right after control #4 I noticed that I had forgotten my compass. This annoyed me so much that I lost focus. Also 4-5-6 are almost on a straight line, so I simply overlooked #5. As most of these park-orienteering events are in urban areas I had chosen to run in normal running shoes with very little grip, so - yes - the grass was slippery - so I chose to slide down a couple of small hills before and after #9.
@gmilne13
@gmilne13 Жыл бұрын
@@ErnstPoulsen Made that mistake a few times myself :) - there are lots of tricky little thickets in that area - looks quite challenging
@UrbanOrienteering
@UrbanOrienteering Жыл бұрын
Can we have a narrated tutorial please??
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen Жыл бұрын
This particular video was just meant to give my local club members a little insight into the basics and in that way inspire them. I made a short version with explainer subtitles - but only in Danish - on Facebook: facebook.com/amagerok/videos/8997191016988659/ But I would in fact consider making a series of short videos about making sprint maps, but I'm a little in doubt if anyone else hasn't already done that? I'd hate to spend time making five videos only to find out that OCAD or some other map maker has already made the same. ... btw. Saw your GoPro-video and just wanted to point you to "Headcam Orienteering" - just for inspiration. wobelix.dk/blog/headcam-orienteering/
@UrbanOrienteering
@UrbanOrienteering Жыл бұрын
Not sure there are any videos for OCAD map drawing? I haven't seen any. There was certainly interest from our orienteering club in what you were doing👍
@danielaxelsson2304
@danielaxelsson2304 Жыл бұрын
Bra att du inte fuskar. Du gör såå bra!!
@ErnstPoulsen
@ErnstPoulsen 10 жыл бұрын
Da Geir Terje Ruuds var i København for at præsentere sin nye bog "Journalistiske Entreprenører" tog han en eftersnak med med Altingets redaktør Rasmus Nielsen. Mens jeg tog noter til en artikel, lod jeg webkameraet køre. Hør de to diskutere med publikum om medieverdenen var bedre under 4-blads systemet, om aviserne skulle have foræret indhold væk gratis, og ikke mindst, hvordan det gik, da Altinget i sin tid fik 200.000 kr. for at levere indhold til Opasia.dk. Indlægget er optaget over en 4G-forbindelse, så mens lydsiden er ok, så er billedsiden desværre lidt pixeleret. (Start ved minuttal 11:19, da der var lydproblemer på de første minutter).