I own 2 1942 dated denisons and 2 1944 dated denisons. The 1942 made were wel made. the sowing very neat When you look at the pockets epaulets the 2 rows of stitching stays nice parlell. Also the edge of the pockets around it has identical distance to the stitching. One of my 1944 with button cuffs, the sowing is quite a different story. The person who had sewn it was not to skilled or drunk. It looks like it was done with haste made by the John Gordon firm. Many of the original smocks made by this firm seems to be sown by not to skilled persons with extreme haste or both, My theory that with the enlargment of the British and foreign airborne units also being issued to commando's there was a need for a lot of smocks fast as possible. Also the fabric used was very suseptable to wear and tear. My other 1944 cuff button smock the sewing quality is quite good. I am convinced that mant wartime smock with full lenght zips were converted postwar so these could be worn with the 1959 pattern smocks who were manufactured with factury issued full lenght zips. India, South Africa, Australia, Belgium produced their version of the Denison. The india camo has the green looking like stripes made by rain. Australian made their own (green) Denison version. Also the Belgians made their own version. The first smocks they made were almost copies in model but green with a vageau brown patches with a longer half lenght zipper or buttons. Later they used a more distinct camouflage paternn. And a bit later buldging pockets. A camouflage paternn used by the American in Vietnam called Oxblood is almost a copy of the ww2 British late denision paternn but the British brown is brick red in the US version.
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
nice. Thanks. Sweden also had Denison smocks but I'm not sure if they made their own.
@dimitriwolfs937024 күн бұрын
My uncle LT.Henri Wolfs was wounded during the Imjin battle. Thanks for the vids.
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
thanks
@mikewinston870928 күн бұрын
I recall how the paras went totally spastic with the introduction of the new DPM smock in the 80’s. I used to see lads adding knitted cuffs to the DPM version. Their self identity seemed to be entirely intrinsically linked to an item of issued clothing.
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
It's interesting then to note that the paras decided not to continue with the Denison smock when DPM was introduced.
@mikewinston87096 күн бұрын
@@militaryjunk They had no say in the matter; MOD decision to standardise army dress and get rid of the ‘funny’s’ ……I recall friends in 3 Para in Osnabruck in the 80’s (they were mech infantry) believing that airborne was over. Note that they were mech infantry: they thought they were to be subsumed into a plain line infantry role. In 1975, my cousin in 1 Para was also mech infantry in Berlin.
@paulamos2817Ай бұрын
You think that is a badly made garment wow!
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
Yes, it was originally meant as a throw away item. But it was popular with the lads.
@paralogregtАй бұрын
A big regret is that i never kept mine, had the 70’s version and the first dpm pattern.
@militaryjunkАй бұрын
yeap, that's sad.
@wills681Ай бұрын
I enjoyed this v. much, thank you. There are so many contested opinions when one takes a 'deep dive' into even relatively modern military kit but this was a nicely balanced overview. My own area of interest is the post-war para smock. My 1970's service coincided with the withdrawal of the Denison and the issue of the DPM. There are some interesting tales about that process. 🙂 Possibly, I might have been one of the 'final few' regular recruits issued a Denison at Depot although I believe that TA units used up the surplus for a few years after 1977. I own several post-war Denisons, including the one I was originally issued with. I swapped out a totally knackered army surplus one for the 'new' DPM when the change occurred and kept my own Denison although wearing them at work was forbidden. Back in those days Denisons were as cheap as chips and worn by just about everyone on building sites!
@militaryjunkАй бұрын
thanks
@WWIIUKАй бұрын
Is there a list of contract numbers and their corresponding dates?
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
some here : hmvf.co.uk/topic/31684-using-labels-and-markings-to-date-postwar-british-clothing-and-equipment/
@jamesross1799Ай бұрын
I love the denison smock its icon.
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
thanks.
@johnkay3824Ай бұрын
Wikipedia tells me that the camouflage pattern was developed by a Major Denison.
@militaryjunkАй бұрын
That's an error. No one with the name Denison was involved with the development of the smock. The name is probably a corruption of denim.
@jamesross1799Ай бұрын
That's what I thought too via Wikipedia.
@jamesross1799Ай бұрын
@@militaryjunkwell I live and learn.
@simonh6371Ай бұрын
@@jamesross1799 Wikipedia is unreliable to say the least, it's always worth verifying via other sources too. It can put you on the right tracks and help you go down rabbitholes via links in the text which is great fun, but I use that to find out more from other sources. Knowing other languages too helps as wiki in other countries often has very different entries, they aren't just translated from English.
@BritishMilitariaАй бұрын
@@militaryjunk many things were named after MPs of history could it have been named after a John or a William Denison
@payres48Ай бұрын
I bought a smock as a teenager in the '60 from a deposal store in Woking, Surrey. I mostly wore it for fishing. It has the wool collar, four patch pockets with buttons and the beaver tail with pop studs. The camo has a brush stroke look. I'm not sure it's WW2 origin. It might be later than that. What's more, I still have it.
@militaryjunkАй бұрын
label not intact?
@jamesross1799Ай бұрын
I've a replica ww2 one I wear for fishing. You certainly made an investment there mate.
@payres48Ай бұрын
@@militaryjunkNo, it tore out years ago.
@redmanredАй бұрын
@@payres48 hello sir can i buy your smock?
@simonh6371Ай бұрын
I'd have a look online to compare with Rhodesian brushstroke - although I don't think it's that because they didn't have beaver tails afaik. Or perhaps it's a Belgian Denison, those had small beaver tails. Otherwise I think Portuguese troops in the wars in Angola / Mozambique used brushstroke camo. Whichever it is it's probably worth a fair bit and I am talking hundreds, depending on it's condition.
@inky4763Ай бұрын
Good effort. I don't want to disparage you but I'd lose the completely era inappropriate music and try to record the sound with something other than a gramophone.
@militaryjunkАй бұрын
thanks for the feedback.
@davidryan4454Ай бұрын
Get the book "Denison", it calls out many of the errors you have made. Eg Windak was an officers smock. Zero evidence it was an early version. Only Brigadiers & above were seen wearing them. Early camo versions were hand painted but later "1st patterns" were roller printed. And had wool cuffs. And tail did not press stud onto the back. 2nd pattern (buttoned cuff" were only printed. Any with full zips were tailored usually using sleeveless oversmock zippers.
@militaryjunkАй бұрын
thanks
@vonsprague7913Ай бұрын
You repeatedly state that they are not well made, you obviously never had an '85 pattern Para smock issued to you lol. Nice video.
@samb2052Ай бұрын
The 85 pattern gear was abysmal. The 50s smocks and the 70s version were great kit. Not sure what the MTP versions were like.
@vonsprague7913Ай бұрын
@@samb2052 I joined in 1985 and was issued a '68 pattern (have been told it was probably a '72 pattern!?) and an '85 later on (87 I think). The '85 was bloody awful, although not as bad as the trousers with the big elephants ears pockets flapping around.
@israsantaritanieto3380Ай бұрын
@@samb2052From what ive seen the actual MTP Para Smock and other pieces of gear is made in China or India, fabric is nice and soft, from what ive had in MTP its not bad but i think it could be improved in fabrics since it doesnt use something like ripstop and i cant tell you how it works in winter or rainy weathers since in my country theres no snow and rains are heavy but most often its hot afterwards.
@militaryjunkАй бұрын
yeap :D
@aebirkbeck2693Ай бұрын
I still have my Denison smock as issued to me in the sixties a bit worn but still hanging in there.
@militaryjunkАй бұрын
nice :)
@NelsonZAPTMАй бұрын
Jolly good show old chap.
@militaryjunkАй бұрын
Thanks.
@robertwillis4061Ай бұрын
Winston Churchill was so ahead of things.
@militaryjunkАй бұрын
yeap
@edkonstantellis9094Ай бұрын
Fall Schirm Jäger
@militaryjunkАй бұрын
den svenska denisonen?
@simonh6371Ай бұрын
@@militaryjunk No he wrote ''paratrooper'' in German, but it's one word so only capital on the first letter. In WW2 they were part of the Luftwaffe though and were initially issued something called a Fliegerbluse (flying jacket/shirt) , the same as other Luftwaffe personnel.
@markyoungman148Ай бұрын
@@militaryjunk No. He's trying to teach you how to stop mangling his language, and to pronounce it correctly. This is also possible via google, these days.
@clivedunning43172 ай бұрын
A bit of constructive criticism. Next time you do a video, please improve the lighting. Could hardly see the features you were talking about !
@militaryjunkАй бұрын
thanks for the feedback.
@clivedunning43172 ай бұрын
Is there an English language PDF version of the Swedish Army manual available ? If so , do you have a link for it ?
@militaryjunkАй бұрын
Nope, there isn't. Sorry.
@teekrbooАй бұрын
Please explain what lava is and how to leech it.
@teekrbooАй бұрын
I have a translation, there is a pdf online of the book, I downloaded it then used Google document translate
@clivedunning4317Ай бұрын
@@teekrboo Any chance you could send me a copy of the PDF ? Willing to give you a donation.
@coleparker3 ай бұрын
I hope you can help me out. Years ago I bought a British Army Style Aluminum mess kit at Surplus store. It came with a two snap pouch. On the larger pan, it has the markings FMI over M\54 which during my research I discovered that it was Swedish Markings. I subsequently saw one for sale on E-bay. During all my research, I cannot find any history about these mess kits and the Swedish Armed forces. Do you have any knowledge about them?
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
I'm not aware of the Swedish Armed Forces using anything other than the M/40s and the jägarkök (ranger stove) until the soldier stove 09 / 10 came in. Do you have a picture?
@coleparker5 күн бұрын
@@militaryjunk I will get you one. Thanks.
@coleparker4 күн бұрын
@@militaryjunk I thought I had a picture of it, but I cannot find it. However as I said it is British Style WWII two piece mess kit with the larger Cook pan and a smaller pan that fits inside it. The maker's marks is described in my initial question; the lettering FMI in a rectangle on top of the hinge area of the Plate, and the lettering an M/54 in a rectangle below the hinge. I have search for the maker's mark in the internet, but have been unable to find it. The mess kit came with a canvas pouch with a fold over flap and two snaps on it.
@매호3 ай бұрын
멋진 영상 최고 훌륭합니다. 좋은 푸드 컨테이너입니다.
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
thanks
@teeflo27573 ай бұрын
ah, the fabled LK70! i wonder how many wishlists around the world feature that beautiful thing? nice overview, thank you. 👍🏼✌🏼🖖🏼
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
It's a nice rucksack but people seem to prefer the LK35.
@teeflo27575 күн бұрын
@@militaryjunk I have the LK35 and it’s a pretty sparse bag. the LK70 has pockets and more fittings which is why it looks promising to me. that said, I recently picked up a 1980s Karimor military pack and that’s been marvellous! pretty much displaces my jonesing for the LK70.
@edwarddeleon62113 ай бұрын
This is a great video with some mess kit information thanks for sharing
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
Thanks.
@timp39313 ай бұрын
No external pockets = no good.
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
I think it was intended to be a bit limiting.
@GeorgeFafa4 ай бұрын
Everything is made in China now in the Swedish Army!
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
:(
@frostythesnowman51334 ай бұрын
i can also add that the frame can be used as platform for carrying ammo. We converted the wooden box for 7.62mm ammo to contain belts for maschinegun, thus turing it into a one man weapon
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
Thanks.
@vd004 ай бұрын
Try it on, why don't ya! More informative if you huff a couple of miles fully loaded before passing judgement ;-)
@nadger13374 ай бұрын
Yep, load it up and go for walk. Looks like a good pack, just a big sack with lots of places to add things.
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
thanks
@bengtolsson54364 ай бұрын
It is no longer used as a backpack. Now it is used to carry ammunition to Carl Gustaf. There is room for four fastened to the frame if it is used.
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
thanks.
@kryptokalle4 ай бұрын
The strap on the back that you didnt know what is was for, - we used it for securing an axe with the axehead secure under thetop lid and the shaft through the "handle" as you called it.
@frostythesnowman51334 ай бұрын
Or a foldable combat shovel (thats what we used it for)
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
Ah, thanks for that.
@skipharris57644 ай бұрын
I have a Slovakian jacket. The magazine pockets are good for a plastic water bottle and the large one holds a field book.
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
thanks
@JimTimber4 ай бұрын
Later pattern without the dots
@militaryjunk4 ай бұрын
yeap.
@JimTimber4 ай бұрын
Great video .. I'm still wearing my DPM underpants ! 😜😜💪💪
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
thanks.
@frankp.w.schindler32344 ай бұрын
Very good explained and compared! Thank you sir 👍
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
thanks.
@OldNavajoTricks4 ай бұрын
I've just finished lining an Mtp smock with Dpm, reversible as needed.🤘🙂
@militaryjunk4 ай бұрын
nice
@OldNavajoTricks4 ай бұрын
I still need to pack/repack and figure what's going where but it's got a proper oldschool mentality behind it.
@militaryjunk4 ай бұрын
@@OldNavajoTricks would be interesting to see
@OldNavajoTricks4 ай бұрын
@@militaryjunk It's in my kit and carry playlist, I did link but YT deleted it lol 🙂
@laerciosantos70545 ай бұрын
Pant beautifu
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
thanks.
@laerciosantos70545 ай бұрын
Pant. ?
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
if I ever get any.
@laerciosantos70545 ай бұрын
Beautifu
@militaryjunk6 күн бұрын
thanks.
@BobcatSchneidermann5 ай бұрын
I was issued this piece of kit in the Royal Guards in April 2008. Quite good stuff! I recall that as a recruit in those late spring and early summer months, I had a hard time seeing the point in such a large pack, as I never used any cold weather or rain clothing. I suppose the guys who started in December had a different experience though!
@militaryjunk5 ай бұрын
thanks. I like these types of bergens.
@efnissien5 ай бұрын
For a long time in the 70's & 80's Danish kit was like hen's teeth - they destroyed all surplus/returned kit to prevent it being used by eastern bloc infiltrators.
@militaryjunk5 ай бұрын
Oh!
@dwaynestewart60955 ай бұрын
I like the design of the Bergen. it's a bit like the Alice packs the US army used to carry. I have 2 of the medium size and one large size. they are old but still work very well. thank you for showing the Danish one. very nice. Dwayne
@militaryjunk5 ай бұрын
Thanks, I like them too.
@laerciosantos70545 ай бұрын
Lindo,beautifu
@militaryjunk5 ай бұрын
thanks
@muskett41086 ай бұрын
After the Falklands tactics and training changed, and a new uniform was needed to reflect those changes. Troops were already wearing jungles and windproofs in Sennybridge training areas because they dried faster. The 68 pattern was expensive, so finding something cheaper was also sought. A colourway was dropped as the MOD found out they didn't own the rights to the print method or possibly even the actual design when they changed manufacturer. Sizing changed to metric. Ten years off rubbish design and manufacture followed until "95 came out. All sorts of cloth and material tried, including rip stop, and the DPM got darker and darker with fewer colour ways and more simple patterns. No "dots" nor edge highlights. Some was dreadful. Where as the early DPM was often thought too light coloured, the later patterns were too dark turning almost black when wet. For the UK and Europe the 1970's DPM works very well in the woods and fields. Later DPM never worked as well, and a radical change to MTP was welcomed.
@militaryjunk6 ай бұрын
thanks
@froginthewaves84506 ай бұрын
AWESOME VIDEO!
@militaryjunk5 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@pujo286 ай бұрын
Why don’t the wives understand how great all these jackets are. Not to mention valuable and extremely well made and awesome. I guess they naturally have that flaw not being able to see quality
@militaryjunk6 ай бұрын
If you ever find an answer to that, let us know.
@thedude1-wn2ij6 ай бұрын
I’ve still got 2 brand new jackets and 2 trousers, brand new size 9, good gear as long as it’s dry!
@militaryjunk6 ай бұрын
yeap, there were good stuff. Thanks.
@spankyharland98456 ай бұрын
I think DPM is the most attractive camouflage ever created- I wore the US woodland camo when I served, but the DPM is a much more softer natural looking camo the blends well in the correct environment. They even have it in desert shades as well. great video.
@militaryjunk6 ай бұрын
Thanks. It was also more effective than woodland.
@graememckay99726 ай бұрын
I never served. I was an army Cadet late 80 into early 90 and remembered the variation. I thought it was just because we got old worn hand me downs in various states of wear ie washed, ironed, faded, it was really obvious at twilight with some kit almost glowing in the dull light.
@militaryjunk6 ай бұрын
I don't thing the British army really sorted out the variations until C95.
@laerciosantos70546 ай бұрын
Pants?
@militaryjunk6 ай бұрын
only have the C95 and DDPM trousers.
@laerciosantos70546 ай бұрын
Beautifu
@militaryjunk4 ай бұрын
thanks
@davidsayer33256 ай бұрын
I really preferred the 68 pattern which was a better quality jacket but the trousers took forever to dry. The 84 pattern was poorly designed and manufactured and required a lot of modifications to even make it useful. That said the windproofs were great especially private purchase ones which there were several companies making in the 80s . I personally much prefer DPM over MTP .
@militaryjunk6 ай бұрын
I tend to prefer the 68 pattern and I think MTP doesn't work as well as DPM in a woodland environment.