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@keithkim2986 15 сағат бұрын
Doesn't his weight affect the performance
@gj91471 Күн бұрын
Cryo treat the disc.....that will tend to stop cracks starting.
@TrackAttackRacing Күн бұрын
Great informative video! We’re running Giro discs with stock pads on our Boxster GTS. A question about PCCBs: I understand almost everyone switches them out for steel, but are there any guidelines for how long PCCBs would last? Could the cost balance out if factoring in labor and multiple steel rotors for each PCCB rotor?
@jakes.5143 3 күн бұрын
I was in the market for both of these and ended up with a 992 gt3 for 2 main reasons. 1- manual. 2- no one will give extended warranties on the RS. So 992 gt3 was my choice.
@chrisnolke 4 күн бұрын
I noticed you didn't cover track insurance, or some basic decision making about whether to get it. Do you use it? Why or why not?
@chrisnolke 4 күн бұрын
I'd love to see a tire comparo video!
@Leowavekid 8 күн бұрын
“Break, Throttle, steering thats all u got”. and if i may add another very important control , Transmission and torque management !
@pastorraudel1261 9 күн бұрын
These videos are so helpful, thanks for all the work putting these together 🙏🏽
@larrybeck1421 9 күн бұрын
I think I’m more of a mid apex driver due to aggression especially on slow corners, although I do late apex through higher speed corners more often.
@2010AudiR8 9 күн бұрын
…is the most important.
@alvinjackson4106 16 күн бұрын
Awesome!
@FreshdriveGeoff 17 күн бұрын
Great vid and resource for future track rats! If you can't do the maintenance yourself please have your car tech inspected before your track day by a reputable shop. Some cars have specific achilles' heels that will need attention before a track day (IE - pinning coolant lines on a mezger porsche)
@cdres74 19 күн бұрын
That is a tight course... my god who did someone hurt to do that to everyone.
@v1tal_c 20 күн бұрын
Hearing that no surprise so many car enthusiasts stick to racing on regular roads, which is much more dangerous to all. Maybe we should think at least about 'an affordable track for regular people'?
@sagamotorsports 19 күн бұрын
We initially push people to attend smaller tracks where entry fees are less and since the speeds aren't as high less consumables are involved. Tracks like COTA just have a huge entrance fee for organizers and that cost has to be passed on to the drivers.
@alvinjackson4106 21 күн бұрын
Great information! 👌🔥
@katoy9976 22 күн бұрын
Ünlülerin bu tarafı var işte ya. Çok acayip bir "dünya"
@scottlachapelle8892 22 күн бұрын
No one wants to hear shitty music played over the sound of a gt4rs 😊
@mattdecelles 22 күн бұрын
super helpful thank you
@drog3210 22 күн бұрын
Good video - your HPDE costs that you quoted are dead on. You only left out rotor costs.
@sagamotorsports 19 күн бұрын
Correct, we based it on the fact that most modern performance cars do come with rotors that would work for the track but indeed forgot to include a range of cost for stock and performance rotors!
@Herman-zc7te 24 күн бұрын
Good stuff
@bryang9601 26 күн бұрын
Autocross is a great way to get into HPDE (done it once now-can be scary, where autocross is sooooo safe and relatively slow-still fun tho) and feel how your car works in braking, cornering, accelerating, etc.
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
Tracking can be scary at first because of the speeds but it's very rewarding to find the full capabilities of your car. These are hard to find through AutoX, but like you said it does open your eyes to how your car works with 0 to no risk involved.
@ApexHunter89 Ай бұрын
I do a lot of instruction in super cars and the most common thing that's said to me in the 488GTB is "man, this thing has a ton of turbo lag." It's hard for people to understand that when on exit of a turn to the straightaway at 50-60mph and they mash the pedal, if the nannies weren't on they'd dynamite the tires and end up in the wall. Nannies are great for learning, but I agree that when you get a a certain level they can be more invasive than helpful.
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
As we progress through time as drivers and "seat time" you can start to realize what you want from the car. It even takes a good amount of time to get to the point where you can understand balance and attitude of a car. Then to realize some of the balance problems are actually caused by our inputs vs the car is a whole other story.
@ApexHunter89 23 күн бұрын
@@sagamotorsportscouldn’t agree more. When I tell people I rotate my car with the brakes and throttle and use the steering wheel as more of a suggestion than anything, they look at me like I have two heads.
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
@@ApexHunter89 Haha The pedals is where the magic happens, the steering wheel is simply a suggestion of where you want the car.
@VK6AB- Ай бұрын
What motorsport accreditation do you have. Do you have any FIA accreditation. If so what level.
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
Just a group of Gentleman drivers that take HPDE's and driver development seriously. In a lot of the cases we are the go to group at the track for tire and setup recommendations, sometimes even providing mechanical help.
@barryminor2 Ай бұрын
Great talk guys!
@ShimonBarChochba Ай бұрын
Great discussion
@leil_wrld Ай бұрын
Abs kicked in, over corrected, spinning out, got right back in
@MasterApex1 Ай бұрын
Can you do comparison of 981 GT4 vs 718 GT4 on the same tracks ? What was the cota laptime of the 718 GT4 with R7 on this video ?
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
We really wish we still had our Yellow 981 but it is long gone. Missing it so much was why this new 718 GT4 was purchased. Yes, COTA laptime was on a R7.
@lefisheauchocolat968 Ай бұрын
I thought you were drifting there for a second because of the tilted camera lol
@chuckpolley4786 Ай бұрын
What’s your alignment specs for a 991.2 GT3RS
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
Our current Alignment Specs for the 991.2 Front Camber: 3.6 Degrees Toe: 0 Toe Rear Camber : 3.0 Degrees Toe: 3mm total toe in This is pretty standard for this type of car as a track only alignment. What makes the car feel good and stay complacent are ride height changes.
@chuckpolley4786 23 күн бұрын
@@sagamotorsportsthanks!
@VK6AB- Ай бұрын
Double wish bone isn't magic, the Miata has had it since inception and the Toyota land cruiser has it. Moreover, if they are not on the same tires the test is irrelevant e.g. both on Cup2 or Cup2 R. I much prefer the 991.2 GT3 RS particularly on CUP2 R and I'm quicker in the 991.2 GT3 RS than the 992 GT3 (note I have done 5 seasons of Carrera Cup on 2 continents). The 992 GT3 is easier to drive fast for those with less experience likewise the 992 GT3 RS, the difference between all three in terms of track times comes down to tires and pressures at temp. Another point the 991.2 GT3 RS responds very well to camber adjustment. Around 2.3 front and 2 rear.
@ziggyfreud5357 Ай бұрын
Totally agree. Well said
@SpartanGA 19 күн бұрын
Great reply and I feel the 991 RS is more of a thrill to drive.
@VK6AB- 18 күн бұрын
@@SpartanGA Absolutely, its a much more engaging car.
@Porsche311 Ай бұрын
I owned and tracked both extensively all over the country. The 992 GT3 is so easy to drive fast vs the 991.2 RS. It’s not the turn in the everyone talks about, it’s the stability in the corners that is so stunning in the 992, it’s so stable you feel confident carrying more and more speed. However, to lay down quick laps in the 991.2 RS is so fun because you truly earn it, takes much more skill. I have told people repeatedly that almost anyone can be fast in 992 GT3 because the car is so good. But I can’t say that about the 991.2 RS.
@ziggyfreud5357 Ай бұрын
Totally agree. Same experience. I like the 991RS better simply coz it’s more fun and twitchy. In fact is may fav Porsche GT car. 992RS is just too mental and the 992 GT3 is just so easy to drive fast. I dunno. All personal tastes. Also I like the look of the 991 series better.
@Porsche311 Ай бұрын
@@ziggyfreud5357 I have been tracking my GT4 RS lately and I have to say it’s without a doubt my favorite now. It’s finally got the power to hang, but it’s just a riot to drive because it has the older suspension bits, less tire, no rear steering, so it’s all about the driver. It’s a very twitchy car, but the fact that it’s more challenging and I feel like I am making it quick (not the computers) makes me enjoy it so much.
@ziggyfreud5357 Ай бұрын
@@Porsche311 Enjoy man. It’s all about relaxing and having fun.
@SpartanGA Ай бұрын
Agree 100%
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
We have nothing to say or do but agree with you! Both incredible cars, the 992 is simply a cheat code.
@SpartanGA Ай бұрын
I believe the 992 GT3 is an advancement for improved lap times given the front end and electronic controls. I personally much prefer the RS for the rawness and it feels more a drivers car. Given most use these on the streets and track days, I vote for raw race car feel vs. more numb but yet faster GT3. Again, it is so capable and more driver-dependent.
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
Couldn't agree with you more!
@nebeachbum Ай бұрын
What about going from hpde to autocross
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
The Guys didn't make it too clear but that is exactly what we did. You are bringing that CS next time!
@arebelfromhell Ай бұрын
It is weird at first because on a track you can see clearly the next turns coming up. In autocross you see the whole course of cones and it gets very distracting and confusing but its been getting funner with time for me.
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
Ryan and Alvin had such a blast!
@carfan3762 Ай бұрын
Very interesting indeed 👍
@keithrichards-io5db Ай бұрын
That was excellent I had a 991.2 gt3 and wanted to upgrade As you note same after market price for new gt3 and 991.2 RS I chose the RS Yet I am not half the driver of John, let alone younger pros My shallow ego peacock side of me made me go with the RS simply because- for the times I’m not on the track and going for a country drive, parking in front of that coffee shop it just looks so much better Emotion trumps logic but at least I’ll admit it
@whitejodeci8926 Ай бұрын
How do you like your gt3rs? All my viper friends have been selling their modified vipers for gt3rs' and it makes me curious
@keithrichards-io5db 29 күн бұрын
@@whitejodeci8926 I’ve driven an ACR Viper OMG fast and furious But it’s kinda like a muscle car. Don’t get me wrong I’d love one in the garage but they are not the easiest thing to drive fast (me being an under skilled poser). The hood is a mile in front of you and it’s difficult to place the nose All 911’s share that instant ease of drivability. I’ve had a 911 turbo (fastest thing I’ve experienced), the gt3 (sublime and great on the road as well as track) and now the RS. Truthfully the RS is stiffer on the road but manageable, but shares the same “easy to drive” design that all 911’s possess. What separated the gt3 and RS for me was the reliability, ease to drive, the sound, and - personal opinion only: the looks Again - I’m a Viper fan but only one car space in the garage lest the wife divorce me. So if I can only own one exotic- it’s a gt3/RS
@whitejodeci8926 28 күн бұрын
@keithrichards-io5db I briefly owned a 911.1 turbo s, PHENOMENAL car. I'm wanting to scratch that lambo itch, but after 2 blown motors in this car, I want the reliability of a TTS or gt3rs Does your gt3rs have enough "oomph" for the street?
@keithrichards-io5db 28 күн бұрын
@@whitejodeci8926 hard to quantify if it would fit your definition of oomph No GT3 is an off the line car- they need to be 7000 rpm + to get them to perform. That’s not always practical on the street but I like driving around in a low gear to hear the sound of that engine so that’s just me. I don’t think you’d find the gt3/RS as fast as your Lamborghini- but I do know from knowledgeable sources that Porsche is the better car for reliability If I was jay leno I’d want a hurrican performante in my garage right next to my gt3rs . Would also like a viper ACR. But I’m not quite in that tax bracket!!
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
@@keithrichards-io5db GT2RS walks into the chat...
@rolagti227 Ай бұрын
i like this video but we get a build breakdown on both cars
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
They both have similar recipes but we can make this happen!
@leslieann3967 Ай бұрын
Max Verstappen watching this: 🙄 😂 Killing it🔥 Keep it up guys 🤗
@leslieann3967 Ай бұрын
Shoutout to the voices in all of our heads!!! Tim and TJ 🔥🏎️💨
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
They wont go away!
@leslieann3967 Ай бұрын
🔥🔥🔥 🏎️💨 🔥🔥🔥
@MasterApex1 Ай бұрын
Good driving Felix. Hope to chance to play with you again in normal Stock 981 GT4.
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
"Normal" Don't make us Divulge your secrets! It was a great time, see you soon sir!
@faYte0607 Ай бұрын
I don't get why autocross doesn't have flags be placed on top of cones as well to create more of a wall. The purpose is to minimize background noise/distraction for the driver so the course is more clear. I track my car but would try autocross if it weren't for these cones.
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
Our team member Alvin struggled with this but does amazing at the track, so we are right there with you. He has also done great at AutoX events that have a fully conned path unlike this event that had cones that pointed and guided you that way. We realize this concept allows you to better use a piece of tarmac as there can be overlay, but it is something we aren't used to.
@Corvetteran88 Ай бұрын
Everyone knows driver mod is the best mod for lap time. Only way to get driver mod is seat time. Autocross=cheap seat time
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
Nothing can replace actual seat time in a car, that is a fact!
@brianmeyer2699 Ай бұрын
Learning how to read the course is a skill that comes with experience. Autocross is difficult because of the variety of speeds and types of turns, but it is a very safe way to really wring out the dynamics of a car. It can be very competitive but the really fast people have a lot of experience.
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
If you are fast at the road course you will very likely be quick at Autocross, although I have seen the inverse not be the case. Experience with AutoX and becoming 1 with your car plays a big role in doing well.
@ApexHunter89 Ай бұрын
Great video - but the Cayman is a 718, no?
@sagamotorsports Ай бұрын
Both are Cayman 718s just the GT4 and 4RS variants.
@gabem8119 Ай бұрын
Walking the course really helps you learn it, you usually get enough time to walk it at least 3 times. You learn quick those cones come at you fast compared to when your walking. Once you get a few runs in you can start pushing harder to work on getting your times lower.
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
I like that approach, although it's hard to stay conservative at the start!
@Brsof Ай бұрын
Whiplash protection is cool, but how does it protect from things like basilar skull fractures?
@willymack5677 Ай бұрын
Good question. Maybe the lack of neck movement would cause increased trauma to the brain and skull?
@sagamotorsports Ай бұрын
We aren’t doctors, but anything involving fractures to the skull is why we wear helmets. Most HANS devices protect the neck against front facing collisions, but there are some that have some side impact protection as well.
@Mr_NB628 Ай бұрын
If those weren’t insanely expensive, I would wear one when I drove Uber just for fun
@sagamotorsports Ай бұрын
Imagine the look on people’s faces seeing you in the driver seat with a helmet and hans device 😂 “I’ll get you there FAST” 🚗 💨
@Mr_NB628 Ай бұрын
@@sagamotorsports yesss
@jaxxtenmarkko8489 Ай бұрын
@@sagamotorsportsI bet they’re getting right tf back out😂😂😂”nope didn’t ask for a race car nextttt”
@MW-uy3np Ай бұрын
Front end of the 4RS chassis is from a 991.
@sagamotorsports 23 күн бұрын
Yes, we were all helpful it would get the double wishbone from the 992 but now we realize it would have just compounded the rear end issues of the 981/718 chassis.
@stchupidee Ай бұрын
Please update with what you did to repair/future proof the shock tower crack on the RS. Did you do this to the GT4 as well. Have concerns as I plan to track my car. Was the 4RS lowered?
@sagamotorsports Ай бұрын
Will do! We just got our 4RS back and we’ll make sure to put out an update. We haven’t lowered the car any. Just the same modifications that were done to the GT4. We do have some more ambitious plans for the 4RS now that’s its back.