Brandon, thank you for this awesome content! You have an art for taking a complex topic and making it simple, understandable and applicable. As a candidate for Alpine Trainer, myself, I feel like I hit a gold mine with your content! Greetings from Taos Ski Valley!
@BrandonBock3 күн бұрын
Hey Scott! Thanks for watching and leaving the kind comment! Funny enough, I've been rewatching a bunch of Deb's videos lately. I just so happened to rewatch the video on hips yesterday and managed to put two and two together on who's commenting 😉 Good luck on your Alpine Trainer journey! I know you've got some great trainers at Taos but let me know if I can do anything to help.
@scott.e.wiseman3 күн бұрын
Thanks for your reply! Indeed! That was me Deb was working with in the hips videos. I’ve already completed my clinic leading and skiing exams. All I have left is Movement Analysis. I discovered your videos at the perfect moment in time! We have some awesome training here, but I’m always taking in fresh ideas from every place I can. Thanks for your offer to help. I’ll take you up on it!!
@Zgredkowski5 күн бұрын
Fantastic video! Thank you!
@BrandonBock5 күн бұрын
@@Zgredkowski thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it!
@blameitonben8 күн бұрын
Carv should hire you, or should build a rival platform.
@BrandonBock7 күн бұрын
Haha, I appreciate the thought. I know some of the folks involved in their educational videos, so who knows, maybe some kind of collaboration happens some day!
@soccerstar2049 күн бұрын
Some great stuff. Very good.
@soccerstar20410 күн бұрын
Great job. totally enjoyed it.
@BrandonBock8 күн бұрын
Thanks Mike!
@soccerstar20410 күн бұрын
just found your site
@peripheral125820 күн бұрын
"most skiers just wanna skid around and have lunch."
@SebastianCrain24 күн бұрын
Great video!
@BrandonBock24 күн бұрын
@@SebastianCrain hey buddy! Thanks!
@ChrisPoeppingАй бұрын
I've seen this guy at Solitude
@BrandonBockАй бұрын
👀
@redsock4843Ай бұрын
This text is actually intended as a question, a statement, and, in the best-case scenario, if I haven't said anything nonsensical, as a hopefully welcome addition. You can, of course, also observe this from the other side, although this is a bit like a cat chasing its own tail. To make the tightest possible turn (fully carved), you need a high edge angle. Achieving high edge angles requires moving the COM significantly towards the inside of the turn. To lean far inwards without supporting yourself on the inside ski, you must generate high centrifugal forces to keep this position in dynamic equilibrium. Therefore, you need a certain basic speed to move the COM significantly towards the inside of the turn later on. The turn must first be initiated by edge angle alone from the knee and ankle joint, without moving the COM significantly towards the inside. As soon as you feel the edge gripping and the ski starts to pull into the curve, the exciting part begins, or the cat trying to catch its own tail: The higher the edge angle, the tighter the curve radius becomes, and this, in turn, increases the centrifugal force acting outwards. You can therefore lean further into the turn, and so on and so forth. Hence the term dynamic balance. Depending on the height of the plate under the binding, the thickness of the lifter plates of the plug boots, and the width of the ski boot, the adventure will eventually come to an end, and a boot-out will occur if you do not let the COM move in the other direction, towards the skis and upwards, in time. Of course, you could also put it this way: you have to bring the skis back under the COM by letting them cross under your body. So, you don't move the COM inwards to compensate for the centrifugal forces that occur, but you move the COM inwards to provoke these very forces and increase them even further. In this way, the position inwards and the edge angle can also be increased even further. Anyone who has ever experienced it knows what I mean and will probably never be able to wipe the grin off their face for the rest of their life. However, anyone who hasn't yet been able to do it feels like they are standing in front of an insurmountable wall. It takes some effort to move clearly towards the inside of the turn on suspicion, so to speak, and thereby bet that the centrifugal forces will actually really kick in when you urgently need them and you don't want to just fall over or at least not have to support yourself on the inside ski. The whole thing happens continuously, of course, and your bottom is only just above the ground for a very short time. Once you have jumped over this cliff, you will feel an amazing sense of security and stability in the area of the apex, although the COM is never at rest in relation to the skis, but is constantly changing its relative position (high/low, right/left, forwards/backwards), hence the term "dynamic balance." When initiating the turn, the pressure point should be on the ball of the foot and then carefully move backwards a little. Around the apex, the pressure point distribution should be in the middle between the ball of the foot and the heel so that the ski can be fully bent, the curved inner edge of the outer ski rests completely on the snow, and the end of the ski does not wash out. However, since you are close to the fall line here, the skis point significantly downhill on steep terrain, and in this respect, the body position must now feel very strongly tilted forward. This is also one of the reasons why it is much more difficult to make clean, narrow turns on steeper terrain. You may think you are leaning your body forwards a lot, but in reality, it is still not enough given the steepness of the slope. And if the pressure point is on your heel in the apex area, then the ski will not bend properly either (this is just as disadvantageous in this section of the turn as it would be if the pressure was only on the ball of the foot). The turn radius is not tight enough, there are not the necessary centrifugal forces, you cannot lean far enough inwards, etc. At the end of the turn, you then release the ski and place more weight on your heel and thus the tail of the ski. But do this with a lot of feeling and caution, otherwise, you could get a kick like from an angry donkey and quickly find yourself half a meter airborne. In the transition, you re-center and bring the COM back into a neutral position over your feet, change the load from the old outside ski to the new outside ski and roll the skis onto the new edges. And then the process starts again from the beginning, this time on the other side of the body, of course. In addition to changing the load while changing the edges, there are two other variants. In the whitepass-turn, the edges change before the load change. So, you keep the load on the old outside ski, change the edges and then start the turn on the little toe edge of the same ski, which has now become the new inside ski. As the turn progresses, the load is then changed to the big toe edge of the new outside ski, so that the apex and completion are completed on this ski. In the second variant, the load change is carried out first and then the edges are rolled to the other side. So, at the end of the completion, you shift the load to the mountain ski (the old inside ski) and ride on the little toe edge of this ski. The very last part of the end of the turn is therefore completed on the inside ski. Then the skis are rolled onto the new edges and the turn is initiated with the load on the same ski (now the new outside ski) and on the big toe edge and the turn is continued on this edge until shortly before the end of the completion. And in addition: - "3 Types of Ski Turns explained, Extension, Middle and Flexion", Reilly McGlashan - "Skiing crossover New School vs Old school what is faster? ODERMATT VS ZUBCIC, Reilly McGlashan - "marcel hirscher the skiing compact transition king, Reilly McGlashan - "Ski Like Marco Odermatt (Upward Release), Sebastian Tschernuth - "extended skiing transition basic theory ski carving", Reilly McGlashan
@jeffscott7223Ай бұрын
The only thing I would say is there is the subtle diving of the head/ upper body to the inside at the start of the turn 33:43. This sets up a poor ability to gain early edging because of this upper body leaning or diving, leaving the body position not angulated. No early edge creates too much pressure for the last part of the turn, which is almost like braking. Make the turn with the legs first at transition ie lean legs, set early edge without upper body movement and this will leave the upper body angulated over the outside ski and a more spread-out progressive pressure on the outside ski. Keep body still as possible. Try dragging the pole drill on outside ski side for each turn, "early" at least at the apex. This should help keep body over outside ski throughout the turn.
@TheDhakooАй бұрын
Thanks so much for this value information, very good explain, crongatulations!!!
@BrandonBockАй бұрын
☺️ appreciate the kind words; thank you for watching!
@BrandonBockАй бұрын
Hey gang, just a quick ask for those commenting: please be respectful of our friends in this video who have volunteered to put themselves and their skiing out there to be picked apart for the betterment of our education. While I could care less if you shred my personal skiing in other videos and remind me how much I suck, or make fun of how many times I said “right” in this video, let’s keep our observations and evaluations relatively nonjudgmental and objective and not rooted in boosting our own egos by tearing others down. I absolutely want to hear your own observations, evaluations, and prescription ideas because we all stand to benefit from hearing each others perspectives, but I’d also like to continue having volunteers who put themselves out there to help further our education and no one will want to participate if we can’t keep things respectful. Thank you all!
@gerriannebreck1369Ай бұрын
Great job! I like the “Consider’ concept. The common Body Movements across Fundamentals was helpful!
@BrandonBockАй бұрын
Thank you and glad you enjoyed. The common body movements might be a topic worth exploring more in the future as I didn’t really have a chance to go more in depth; I just wanted to mention it to show possibilities beyond thinking purely about fundamentals. I probably think more in terms of common threads between body movements now than I do fundamentals when it comes to finding themes in common with a group. Not that that’s a better way of thinking, just one that works well for me.
@Nedito17Ай бұрын
Thanks Brandon. Well done
@BrandonBockАй бұрын
@@Nedito17 Thanks for watching Ned! Still happy to chat soon after I missed your phone call. Hope to see you on snow soon!
@mikethomas4391Ай бұрын
Brandon, as a 5-year instructor, in my 2nd season in pursuit of l2...your video makes me want to come work at okemo to learn from your team...well done sir!
@BrandonBockАй бұрын
@@mikethomas4391 thank you so much Mike! I moved to Vermont largely to be apart of this team about 5 years ago. It’s an awesome place if you want to get better! Where do you ski out of now?
@Studio42BrooklynАй бұрын
fantastic!
@grantskidmore6921Ай бұрын
Yes yes and yes, thanks man!
@grantskidmore6921Ай бұрын
That was a gem at the end there
@attiliorighini92892 ай бұрын
One of the best videos on KZbin on the topic. Hope to see more of this, for example on friction and elastic forces dynamics on the ski. Thanks, from an engineer trying to make sense of this sport ⛷️
@BrandonBock2 ай бұрын
@@attiliorighini9289 cheers man, I appreciate the feedback! Glad you enjoyed it and I’m currently working on a direct to KZbin (not a webinar recording) series to expand on this.
@BrandonBock2 ай бұрын
Hey gang, during editing I accidentally missed making sure a video (10:00) by @alfonsoeae that was used in this tech talk got proper credit for its use. I unfortunately can't add it after upload, so I wanted to pin a comment directing everyone to check out his awesome Instagram with a ton of visual representations of skiing technique, biomechanics, physics, and more: instagram.com/alfonsoeae/ Check the description for links to the sources of all the video clips used.
@alfonsoeae2 ай бұрын
Very interesting! But why is my video not included in the credits?? I would have liked the content presenter to have mentioned my name as the author of one of the videos that appear in the presentation at minute 10:00. If he did, at least I didn't realize it. I don't mind that my videos are used but I think it is fair that at least mention where the video material was obtained from if it is not designed or recorded by oneself. What is very curious is that he did mention the authors of some of the other videos he included in the presentation.
@BrandonBock2 ай бұрын
Alfonso, that was partially a mistake on my part during editing. I searched for and added the author's credits to each video used with the overlayed text and accidentally missed yours. Let me figure out what I can do to correct this.
@lawrencehicks96072 ай бұрын
His primary goal is to not rise up during transition his center of mass stays very low. He rolls his ski over from one edge to the other through transition. I use that same technique but not as low as he goes. I love doing it on groomers with slis in the 80mm range and good corn snow with a pair of 100mm skis
@SkiWithJeff2 ай бұрын
Brandon, I am doing this same topic today (11/2) for PSIA-NW Fall Seminar. I would love to share my content with you to keep exploring this topic. Cheers, great job.
@BrandonBock2 ай бұрын
Jeff, I followed you on Instagram. Shoot me a message sometime and let me know what you have in mind!
@SkiWithJeff2 ай бұрын
@@BrandonBock I just put a friend request in Facebook
@lawrencehicks96072 ай бұрын
Pressure can be created by your turn shape and the angle of your skis. Playing with the speed with which you shorten your inside leg will provide you with lots of variety in your turn shape and allow you to flick your skis from turn to turn. Fun to play with once you learn to play with pressure or lack there of during transition. Learn to ice skate and or rollerblade. Highly recommended from someone who learned to ski in their mid fifties.
@BrandonBock2 ай бұрын
Definitely. Funny enough, I tried leapers for the first time on skates this summer at a Skate to Ski event w/ Rollerblade. I have a long-time hockey background so I was fortunately able to get the hang of it on skates and begin to experiment pretty quickly. One of the most interesting things to me in that context had to do with pressure and how I was able to get a rebound-like effect on skates that made the "leap" far easier, helping make me lighter in transition, in a way that the leap wasn't created just from me jumping like you would ideally do on skis. There's no sidecut or bending or unbending of the ski going on there; it was all in the timing and amount of pressure, the turn shape, and controlling the path of the center of mass relative to the base of support to create that effect.
@karlo407Ай бұрын
Yes, pressure can be created and sustained by tightening the turn radius, but the discussion here is in the context of transition
@BrandonBockАй бұрын
@@karlo407 the context of the comment was how you can control pressure during transition by what you do before transition.
@karlo407Ай бұрын
@@BrandonBock I was commenting on Lawrence’s post. I understood it to be a comment on the guest’s discussion about the limits of how much pressure can be developed (not much, and very transitory). Lawrence changed the context to pressure developed while in a turn.
@wobjobs2 ай бұрын
Thanks for hosting Brandon!
@BrandonBock2 ай бұрын
Thanks for coming man! (P.S., Dave also does car videos. Check out his channel if you're into that)
@melcookehome2 ай бұрын
The level 2 candidate. You asked for good things. Quiet upper body (too quiet maybe, parallel skis for the most part, fairly equal edge angles.
@melcookehome2 ай бұрын
At the 35ish minutes clip of the host I see a lot of spray from the tail of the skis although the quality of the video is such that it is hard to really get a look at the ski/snow interaction. Post level 3?! I think your angulation and inclination are fine. It seems you have a tendency to stem a little, especially the left turns and as you say you are late at the transition. :) I'd be happy to be able to ski like that
@melcookehome2 ай бұрын
Interesting that during the first round of participant observations, no one mentioned what the skis were doing which is what I thought was the goal. Good observations were made with respect to what movements and body positions the skier has. Another point is that the skier, like many other great skiers has a definite A Frame going on. Despite that, the ski/snow interaction is great high edge angles and snow spraying from the shovel of the ski indicating great forward pressure.
@jeffscott72232 ай бұрын
At 39:16, it's clear that there is too much inclination and not enough angulation over the outside ski early. This is due to this habit of a combined popping up (as others have mentioned) and diving the upper body towards the inside of the turn which leaves more inclined and removes any angulation at the onset of the turn. You want the upper body to naturally be over the outside ski. Also, as a result the turn is rushed leaving all the pressure on the later part of the turn - this also contributes to the popping up motion. Even with this latter part of the turn, you are losing grip in the back end, mainly because of the lack of sufficient angulation issue and the leaving the turn to the last second problem. If you didn't pop up, stayed central with upper body in transition, then got onto the outside ski early and throughout the turn, you wouldn't lose the grip and the turn would be rounder and more fluid. Lastly, practice more ankle and knee flexion progressively through the turn, so you can manage the pressures and not pop up or brake too much, all while being more angulated over outside ski. A good one is to purposely reach out, down the hill with a pole plant to get you over more, vs your very insignificant and poor pole plants.
@peterfreeman33172 ай бұрын
Are you full cert? That video from 2020 was rough…sorry.
@BrandonBock2 ай бұрын
I'm the first person to admit that I suck but going around the internet making comments like this is an even rougher look than my skiing 😂
@peterfreeman33172 ай бұрын
@@BrandonBockwhat level were you in 2020?
@BrandonBock2 ай бұрын
@@peterfreeman3317 I said it in the video. What does it matter anyway? What constructive point does a comment like this make?
@peterfreeman33172 ай бұрын
@@BrandonBock in my opinion a full cert instructor should be able to rip and ski any conditions on any trail with top form.
@rubenruiziii49812 ай бұрын
Your vocabulary limits your understanding of things. That is why the Eskimos have 10 different words for snow. So their understanding is much more complete.
@gerriannebreck13692 ай бұрын
I was familiar with the Performance Guides, but strictly from a cert exam perspective. Appreciate Angelo’s review of how to use them as a self-development tool as I continue on this path. While I aspire to L3, its doubtful I would ever achieve that level of skiing. However, he has inspired me to look closer at the Teaching and MA components to up my current game as an instructor! Thank you for sharing this presentation!
@BrandonBock2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it Gerrianne. I definitely thought it was a really cool perspective Angelo was able to provide on how to use something we often see as a boring series of documents as a tool to develop as an instructor.
@grantskidmore69212 ай бұрын
Thanks man! I have an engineering background as well and this allowed me to make sense of a lot of things I’ve heard throughout research.
@krs_oone2 ай бұрын
Bro, this is next-level nerdiness, love it! I suggest snowboarders check this out too, you will need to imagine some of the aspects a bit differently visually, but most of it (if not all) translates really well to snowboarding-especially if you know how or want to learn how to use your edges when turning, instead of skidded turns
@BrandonBock2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it and got something out of it from a snowboard perspective. The whole joystick analogy, at its root, was actually inspired in part by working with and listening to snowboard trainers which gave me new perspectives on how to think about skiing. The physics of how we get our planks to perform is exactly the same but we come at it from such different perspectives sometimes and stand to learn a lot from each other.
@SteezyJoeNetwork2 ай бұрын
This is really great information. Thanks for putting this together.
@gerriannebreck13693 ай бұрын
Excellent dialogue here. 👏👏Thank you for posting. Your explanations are easily understood and very encouraging to experiment further with my own body movements to get the desired ski performance! ⛷️⛷️
@BrandonBock3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and appreciate you taking the time to comment! Really glad to hear that feedback! More to come soon!
@karlo4073 ай бұрын
Fantastic!
@paleace3 ай бұрын
Extremely well communicated. ❤
@MrDogonjon3 ай бұрын
Body behavior, ski behavior, snow behavior- noise. I start with snow behavior. What is the effect the ski makes on snow? Spraying and Compaction are the effects ski behaviors skidding (noisey) and carving (quiet) have on the snow. How does compaction create a smooth slippery trench under foot? Snow behavior, compaction...Pressure temperature gradients manipulated to form exclusion zone hyper fluidity. Ski behavior, quietly bending/ carving creates acceleration sensed as greater pressure under foot. Body behavior adjusting to make precise manipulation of ski behavior to maximize compaction (shush, quiet vibrations), minimize spray . (chatter)
@amundekroll74903 ай бұрын
Try to find a coach that can help you understand the mechanics and you should stop showing only breaking turns.This is repeating stuff you should have gotten rid of 40 years ago.
@BrandonBock3 ай бұрын
You seem to bring a lot of problems to the table but none of the solutions. Why can't you explain the mechanics? Not sure what I'm repeating from 40 years ago considering I wasn't even alive then to hear it 😉
@DickCate3 ай бұрын
The very best explanations of alpine skiing. It could be helpful for demonstrators to complete turns at least perpendicular to the fall line to more clearly show the necessity of forward motions to get their center right angles to the fall line. One could also then see how early edge change can happen before the traverse is complete. The shot from above of T.L. moving his feet forward at the completion of turns to move his center back (perpendicular to the horizon) was revealing.
@ParkFamilyINVA3 ай бұрын
Nice Job focused on Why. We throw a ball and catch a ball. I think skiing is always catching a ball. We use a gamepad to catch a ball not throw.
@Qian19803 ай бұрын
I found stand up paddle board share a lot similarities to this.
@BrandonBock3 ай бұрын
In which ways do you notice? I have very limited experience with SUPs as I’ve only done it twice, but I do spend a lot of time looking at other sports and how they move. Really helps sort out good athletic movements from contrived movements you’ll only hear inside ski circles.
@Qian19803 ай бұрын
@@BrandonBock when there are high waves, I need to keep my knees bent to allow absorbing completely independent from upper body movement because I need to remain balance and still be able to paddle the same time. When the waves tilt the board to the max, I need to actively extend my legs to get the board back to horizontal in a control the way and still keep my knees bent .Ideally, anticipating the waves, but still need to deal with them only when they hit the board. And certainly head over my toe, but remaining whole foot on the board for the balance. Meanwhile, there is a limit of friction under foot, and there is no speed and Centrifugal force to hold me on the board, therefore slipping and overboard is part of SUP.
@Qian19803 ай бұрын
@@BrandonBock There are videos about paddle in surf saves.
@snorfallupagus60144 ай бұрын
Just keep your hands forward. Stop pole dragging. Sheesh!
@BrandonBock4 ай бұрын
@@snorfallupagus6014 but what if dragging my poles is my primary turn force? 🤯🤣
@tonymccurdy76234 ай бұрын
Great stuff! Skiing and smiling, smiling and skiing!
@alfonsoeae4 ай бұрын
Well done!! I love it...
@BrandonBock4 ай бұрын
@@alfonsoeae thanks Alfonso! Love what I’ve seen you putting on Instagram as well. I was actually thinking about messaging you in the future to get some insight on how you’re doing your 3D anatomy visuals.
@alfonsoeae4 ай бұрын
@@BrandonBock whenever you want... The last models are really amazing, I can show almost anything I want from a skeleton, muscular, body ski to a skier in ski suit... Audio done movements into the boots... I studied physics at university and I've enjoyed very much this webinar...
@BrandonBock4 ай бұрын
@@alfonsoeae Awesome, I appreciate it! I've had aspirations of doing some similar 3d anatomical visuals but I haven't had the time to figure out how I'd do it yet. I'll reach out on Instagram soon!
@anatoli284 ай бұрын
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@ИгорьКазуров4 ай бұрын
I am an engineer by training, I am interested in disassembling complex systems into simple understandable parts, you have a similar approach. I want to translate your video into Russian, dub it and post it on my channel if you give me permission to do this work. This December I will be studying to become a ski instructor and will try your method on myself.