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@adamsmith7885
@adamsmith7885 2 сағат бұрын
The first half of your video is pointless since Norton himself constrained the domain to where the ball doesn't leave the surface of the dome. I read his paper a few years ago. Second, I used to also think the jerk/snap discontinuity was a problem (making the situation unphysical) but that's not true. If you concede that a ball launched upwards with a certain exact energy will roll to a stop at the apex and stay there balanced, and you assume time-symmetry, then it necessarily follows that Norton's Dome is valid and sound and physical. The balanced ball *will* eventually fall and roll down. The only issue is that it would take infinitely long to do so. But it's irrelevant since Newtonian systems capable of balancing balls on points don't experience time. Time begins when the ball starts rolling. One more thing that will help you: just use a hemisphere dome.
@crystalkalem9289
@crystalkalem9289 4 сағат бұрын
I'm so happy someone smarter than I was able to explain the issue with this dome. I could only explain the issue using the definitions of the words used in the presentation.
@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos
@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos 4 сағат бұрын
I gave a thumbs up, but I disagree. Only the third point is really relevant. My issues: 1. The higher derivatives are not part of Newton's axioms. So if you need to change it to include higher derivatives, Newtonian mechanics is admittedly incomplete (like Norton's dome shows). 2. I see no physical reason for snap or jerk to exist in general. Nor a reason for them to be continuous. 3. You can make a different dome with the same behaviour but, where all higher derivatives in time for both trajectories exist and are zero at the excitation time. Essentially you have to force exp(-1/t²) for t>0 to be a solution. Similarly to Norton's dome you can work backwards to get the desired shape.
@kevingroovy8648
@kevingroovy8648 7 күн бұрын
Awesome video! The visualization at 4:58 really helps in understanding the concept. It feels like relativity is finally starting to make sense to me.
@gunsnroses82
@gunsnroses82 9 күн бұрын
Oh my gosh, your video is so well put together. Your channel will definitely grow
@mitymi
@mitymi 9 күн бұрын
Thanks! Here's hoping it will grow!
@davidgould6351
@davidgould6351 9 күн бұрын
Here at 67 subscribers for when you make it big! Keep up the good work, very entertaining methods of explaining your points
@mitymi
@mitymi 9 күн бұрын
Already at 73 :D Glad you like it!
@ArtBortolini
@ArtBortolini 10 күн бұрын
I watch a pretty decent amount of science KZbin and yours is the first video I’ve seen that visually explains a Lorentz transformation. I always had to just gloss over that part of any relativity explanation and now it seems perfectly clear. Thank you!
@mitymi
@mitymi 10 күн бұрын
I had the same experience when I was first learning relativity. It's the reason I am making these videos. Glad it helped you!
@jasonp7091
@jasonp7091 10 күн бұрын
Also, as you increase your velocity, it will take increasingly more energy to keep increasing your velocity, to the point where it takes infinite energy to reach light speed. This happens because your mass actually increases as you speed up (a tested and proven fact)! The only exception to this is something that doesn't weigh anything... Like a photon. This is why photons can travel at the speed of light, but curiously, they never experience time themselves!
@mitymi
@mitymi 10 күн бұрын
Indeed! I'm working up to general relativity, so I'll talk more about mass in the lead up to that!
@alfadog67
@alfadog67 Ай бұрын
@BAM# Subscribed!!
@sympicon9560
@sympicon9560 2 ай бұрын
1:09 "Alice fires his ingines and accelerate..." It's the end of the Special relativity and inertial frames right there. Your "revolutionary" statement that "acceleration is relative" doesn't surprise me. You introduce new physic and it's your right, but don't claim to explain anything with old rules when you invented yours "special".
@a.rizapahlevi9659
@a.rizapahlevi9659 3 ай бұрын
Amazing.... ❤❤❤
@marcoantoniazzi1890
@marcoantoniazzi1890 4 ай бұрын
1:11 IMHO "we" can only "travel", I mean we can only be, along the "t" axis, that's the whole point of a rest frame. All the other lines represent the trajectories of other objects traveling at a constant speed (otherwise the paths would be curves) and starting from "our" same position (otherwise they would not start from the origin) as seen by (that is relative to) "our" reference frame. When you make a LT you are changing "our" speed (the speed of the observer) to match that of the other objects so that you can end up with one of those objects' rest frame, and doing so, you are not in "our" previous rest frame anymore, that is you are not "we" anymore, that is you/we are one of those objects. 3:13 Here you don't have a single space-time diagram anymore. Here you have the sovrapposition of 2 diagrams. If you decide that the orthogonal one is "your" diagram, then the other doesn't show you (you can't be at 2 places at the same time), if you decide that the "sheared" diagram is the one showing your "events" then the orthogonal one is that of someone else. 5:21 The lightcone is not about "seeing", it is about speed and positions of objects relative to us, that is relative to our origin's position and relative to our origin's instant, and that are faster than c. It doesn't say anything about "visibility". 6:28 I'm sorry but were you talking about a space-time diagran or a space-proper_time diagram? A space-proper_time diagram would be one in which the vertical axis values "depends" on the horizontal axis values, that is they wouldn't represent independent variables. Does that would make any sense? It would be like having positions/distances on the horizontal axis and, say, velocities in the vertical axis, in such a diagram you could draw self-intersecting curves and time, that is still present in velocities, wouldn't be represented in an explicit way, you wouldn't know when a certain change in position or velocity had happened. If it is a "space-proper_time" diagram because in the vertical axis we have "ct" then it is not proper-time in a proper way.
@marcoantoniazzi1890
@marcoantoniazzi1890 4 ай бұрын
7:07 "Alice's 1st frame" !!?? Are you really saying that Alice "has more then one frame"?? What does that even mean? 13:15 Same here, what you are drawing here is a weird diagram, one that is only *partially* that of Alice and then is that of someone else, but who?. In a spacetime diagram relative to e.g. Alice, his position (or better: *distance* ) coordinate must always be 0.
@mitymi
@mitymi 4 ай бұрын
Yes, while Alice only has his own frame of reference, he does change between two INERTIAL frames. It's tricky to differentiate without explicitly saying whether we're talking about a reference frame i.e. POV, or an inertial frame. I should have been a little more specific. It is not a "weird" diagram, it is a spacetime diagram that shows one specific INERTIAL frame (at a time). While we do indeed move forward in time along the diagram, keeping Alice at "0" time is just a matter of translating his position on the graph back to the origin. Since this is a trivial operation, it is easier just to set the origin at T=0 of the scenario...
@marcoantoniazzi1890
@marcoantoniazzi1890 4 ай бұрын
@@mitymi Uh! Perhaps I can now see my problem with "your" construct. To apply SR you need an inertial frame, but since you have 2 of them you have to "accomodate" things for this simple fact! Unbelievable how convoluted "you" are. I will also leave out all the reasoning about having more then one "what-kind-you-prefer" frame. "keeping Alice at "0"...trivial operation...at T=0..." Now there are 3 possible problems here, and they are NOT trivial. 1.It seems that you don't understand what having Alice always at *X* =0 implies, 2.Perhpas you are saying that we cannot have a Minkosky spacetime diagram in which Alice is always at *X* =0, 3. It is not possible to translate from Bob's *complete* diagram to Alice's *complete* diagram. Note: by *complete* I mean one in which the "subject" relative to which we are doing our calculations is (by definition) ALWAYS at *X* =0.
@mitymi
@mitymi 4 ай бұрын
@@marcoantoniazzi1890 You're losing me a little with your reasoning, but you are correct on the last point, you can't translate from Bob's vertical wordline, to Alice's. That's what the Lorentz transform is for. And the fact that Alice inhabits two inertial frames (or accelerates, or however you want to call it) means that there will be a discontinuity in the world line. The translation only works for adjusting their momentary position, i.e. one event.
@marcoantoniazzi1890
@marcoantoniazzi1890 4 ай бұрын
@@mitymi In those worldlines there are an infinite number of events otherwise they wouldn't be lines but one or more points. The discontinuity is only one of those infinite possible points (events). "The translation only works for adjusting their momentary position" !? So why should we tranform all the graph and not only the discontinuity point? Is it a simple coincidence the fact that part of Alice's worldline, when transformed, aligns to the time axis? Perhaps introducing the concept of lines of simultaneity and using that concept, instead of *partial* Lorentz transformations, would be better, but then I would like to know how would you include the notion of "equivalent spaces" to account for length contractions ;) !
@mitymi
@mitymi 4 ай бұрын
@@marcoantoniazzi1890 Ah yes, now you are getting to the next part of it all. Stay tuned, because I will cover length contraction in more depth in a video on uniform acceleration. As for simultaneity, I specifically try to avoid using that in explanations, because that tends to be where everyone gets confused. There is no simultaneity (in time) of distant events. You can claim simultaneity of receiving information of distant events, but that is local. This is why I try to focus on what each person perceives along their world lines.
@marcoantoniazzi1890
@marcoantoniazzi1890 4 ай бұрын
So is NOT acceleration that is absolute, is NOT force that is absolute, is NOT an inertial frame that is absolute, what is absolute is geometry !?. You are saying that there IS an absolute thing, and that this ABSOLUTE thing is the chosen abstract mathematical construct. Is it really this what you are saying?
@mitymi
@mitymi 4 ай бұрын
Yes and no. "Absolute" is an abstraction itself. The thing that is not absolute is the QUANTITIES of distance, time, speed and acceleration from each point of view. What IS absolute, is the geometric relationship of spacetime events connected via light-like paths. To some extent, that geometry is a mathematical abstraction. But every possible experiencing of that geometry agrees on the "order" of events (although not necessarily the sequence of seeing them)
@marcoantoniazzi1890
@marcoantoniazzi1890 4 ай бұрын
@@mitymi ""Absolute" is an abstraction" Perhaps we should try to define it, otherwise we won't be able to agree on the concepts that derive from it. "To some extent..." What!? To some extent !? "experiencing of that geometry" Can you "experience" a geometry? You are in a swampy and ambiguous terrain, I don't think you realize it and I don't think I want to follow you. ""order"" It's nice and funny that you placed this in quotes. ""order"...not...the sequence" These are the type of things that make all this reasoning very difficult for me to follow.
@mitymi
@mitymi 4 ай бұрын
@@marcoantoniazzi1890 Yes, I understand it is hard to explain these things in a youtube comment, perhaps I can include some of this in a further video. In regards to "order" vs "sequence"... think of a grid, like a chess board. The board is ordered and "absolute" in its geometric arrangement. The pieces move from space to space according to their own rules, and each piece experiences a sequence of those spaces. The sequence is not the same, but the overall absolute geometric order of the board is unchanged.
@marcoantoniazzi1890
@marcoantoniazzi1890 4 ай бұрын
@@mitymi I think it's hopeless to try to explain you all the aspects that I think "you" get wrong. Let's simply say that time is a bewildering thing, and that ALL is relative.
@mitymi
@mitymi 4 ай бұрын
@@marcoantoniazzi1890 Gosh, sorry to hear you think it is hopeless... I don't find time bewildering at all. I find bad explanations bewildering. But I agree, that time is relative. We all experience our own proper time, independent of other's paths through spacetime.
@massimilianodellaguzzo8571
@massimilianodellaguzzo8571 7 ай бұрын
Great great video, I really liked it... 🙂🙂🙂 "It's not the acceleration or the force or the inertial frame that breaks the symmetry. It's the PATH!" : You're right !!! I believe that the twin on Earth is younger, if we consider the motion of the Earth in the frame of the spaceship. (round trip) And this is not a defeat, the motion of the spaceship (in the frame of the Earth) is different from the motion of the Earth. (in the frame of the spaceship)
@stewiesaidthat
@stewiesaidthat 7 ай бұрын
More garbage from the Church of Relativity. What does it take for you kids to understand that Einstein’s Relativity is mathematical nonsense? The properties of light make it an absolute reference marker in which to measure ALL other motion against. Space and Time are SEPARATE frames of reference. By combining the two, you show just how ignorant you are. Keep playing in your sandbox because you are not intelligent enough to run with the men. 1) as previously stated, Space and Time are separate frames of reference. 2) Clocks are instruments that measure motion in space expressed in units of Time. No different than rulers measuring length expressed in inches. 3) Clocks in motion use the SAME amount of energy as stationary clocks. E=mc where c is the speed of light. Speed is distance/Time so Energy equals Time. Both clocks used the same amount of Energy so experiencing the same amount of time. 4) the laws of physics are equally applicable in ALL frames of reference. If Force equals Acceleration in the Space frame, then Force equals Acceleration in the Time frame. The twin undergoing acceleration in space is also undergoing acceleration in time unless they are experiencing a zero gravity (low acceleration) environment. The only reason there is a paradox is because some dufus combined the two frames and declared that clocks measure time. They dont. Based on the limited information given, the clock readouts, the only conclusion that is valid is that both twins are the same age. One just experienced more space as measured by the onboard instrument that strictly measures motion in space. The clock's cesium-133 atom is being chilled to absolute zero to prevent an acceleration in time event from occurring. Unless the observer is also in cryostasis, they aren't even in the same time frame as the clock. If you want to get really technical, the traveling twin most likely has a shorter lifespan since they experienced more g-forces.
@TheAnantaSesa
@TheAnantaSesa 7 ай бұрын
I could almost understand but it's still over my head. I understand time slices and how the faster you travel in a certain direction the more of the future of that direction of the universe becomes a causally related part of your factual present tense sense of now. While the past (for a person who is not changing his distances from the other relative objects in the vast universe, ie staying still) of the other direction becomes his present tense. But I didn't notice any mention in the 2 times I watched this video of the gravitational effect of the acceleration. So I can't help but think acceleration is not relative. I we imagined the whole universe was doing the acceleration (ofc it's not though bc the thrust is coming from the rocket and isn't being applied to the universe) and we were sitting still with an inert frame of reference then where do the g forces come from? Maybe another video explaining how g forces exist if all reference frames are to be considered equally valid.
@mitymi
@mitymi 7 ай бұрын
You are right, I did not mention effects of acceleration in this video. While we excluded g-force in this video, you have to remember the thing that happened to Alice's POV at the turn around, all the light suddenly "bent". This wouldn't happen if it was the whole universe that accelerated instead of him. So while I didn't discuss what Alice felt (saving that for later) I wanted to focus on the differences in what he SEES. Because this is what indicates he changed frames. I did intentionally add the * caveat about relative acceleration though. While how you measure someone else's acceleration as an outside observer is relative, how you see light bending due to your own acceleration is not. But I will get to that soon in a video on uniform acceleration.
@HyperFocusMarshmallow
@HyperFocusMarshmallow 8 ай бұрын
All was well until the claim that a space time position is the same as spacetime coordinate 😅 (paraphrased at roughly 16:50) Coordinates are frame/chart dependent, position is not. But great video! 😊 Maybe this is making it slightly more complicated than it needs to be though. Just showing the picture of the three lines and Lorentz-transforming that picture is enough to show that that does not move the kink from Alice’s curve to bobs. So the situation is not symmetric. That’s it. The rest of that is measuring the proper time of each curve. (Clocks don’t have to emit any significant light-signals to count time locally, so that part of the argument is unnecessary, though it is somewhat illuminating as well). A lot of the crux is to understand the prerequisites about what a spacetime diagram means in the first place. But that is more about stating the rules of special relativity (or whatever setting is preferred) and how to work with it. I think plenty of the confusion people have about this topic starts with the basics. Once they have the basic background, the resolution of this paradox is pretty much conveyed by just drawing the pictures. In more general cases it might be hard to draw pictures and then you might need to do the calculations, but here it just happens to be just enough in my opinion.
@mitymi
@mitymi 8 ай бұрын
I totally agree. My next video will be on how to interpret spacetime diagrams. They get oversimplified most of the time. You're right about my use of "coordinate" though. I should clarify that. My intent was to focus on the events. Regardless of how you label an event with any arbitrary coordinate system, it remains in the same juxtaposition to all other events. I.e. they cannot be rearranged.
@marcoantoniazzi1890
@marcoantoniazzi1890 4 ай бұрын
@HyperFocusMarshmallow The fact that you don't "see" the Bob's kink doesn't imply that it is not there. If you transform the diagram so that the Bob's kink never appears than it must be because Special Relativity is too "special".
@HyperFocusMarshmallow
@HyperFocusMarshmallow 4 ай бұрын
@@marcoantoniazzi1890 I don’t think I disagree about your statement. Did you have the expectation that I would from my post? Well, I might comment on one detail. There isn’t any global Lorentz-transform that would leave Bob’s world-line without a kink.
@marcoantoniazzi1890
@marcoantoniazzi1890 4 ай бұрын
@@HyperFocusMarshmallow "There isn’t any global Lorentz-transform..." That is exactly my concern expressed also in other comments. Do you think that we are "obliged" to make only one *global* Lorentz-transform? P.S.: see also my other comments.
@HyperFocusMarshmallow
@HyperFocusMarshmallow 4 ай бұрын
@@marcoantoniazzi1890 Well, that’s kind of the main tool within special relativity. That’s why it’s relevant. Due to the scope of the discussion in the video. But I mean, I already mentioned charts and what not, which is at the level of differential geometry and is thus often not even mentioned in good physicist introductions to GR. We are free to use whatever theoretical tools we want. But if we’re discussing a specific theoretical framework, the answers within that framework might be limited by the restrictions and assumptions of the framework. So, as far as I think of it, within special relativity we mainly use global Lorentz transforms. If we want to do more fancy stuff, we move beyond that framework. One might cache that out in different ways, but that’s one way to think about it that I find useful for pedagogical purposes.
@edwardrhoads7283
@edwardrhoads7283 8 ай бұрын
This is NOT the twin paradox!!! The paradox is that while the moving twin is moving and the moving twin looks back at the at rest twin from the moving twins perspective he is at rest and the at rest twin is the one moving. Therefore the moving twin observes the clock of the at rest twin going slower. The moving twin's clock is really the one going slower and the at rest twin will accurately observate that. THAT is the paradox. The paradox is resolved when the moving twin turns around and returns home. What you have claimed as paradox is just time dilution such that Tmoving twin = Trest twin * gamma
@mitymi
@mitymi 8 ай бұрын
The whole point is that they both see the other's clock moving more slowly (on the journey out). If Alice stops at 6 light minutes away (rather than turn around), and then Bob comes to join Alice also traveling 0.6c, their clocks will match. Time dilation doesn't become apparent until they meet again.
@edwardrhoads7283
@edwardrhoads7283 8 ай бұрын
@@mitymi It does become apparent on the way back as the moving craft will now see the other clock move much faster as the light difference between the two decreases. But again it is not the time difference that is the paradox.
@mitymi
@mitymi 8 ай бұрын
​Again, that is the point. Define "the way back"? Is it Alice moving back to Bob, or Bob Moving to meet Alice? The clock speed depends on the relative speed i.e. red/blue shift. The time difference is a clue to what path they took. So is the red/blue shift.
@marcoantoniazzi1890
@marcoantoniazzi1890 4 ай бұрын
@@mitymi "So is the red/blue shift." I think that Einstein didn't know of light frequency shifting, therefore the "original" SR doesn't contain that concept. This is an important fact since it alludes at what I would call the 3rd "implied" "untold" principle that SR has. Subject for another video ;) ?
@Pablo00019
@Pablo00019 8 ай бұрын
Video disclaimer: No math involved. 4 Doritos later… f 🟰✔️1+0.6 / 1 - 0.6 fo Morale: can’t explain relativity without math EVER!
@mitymi
@mitymi 8 ай бұрын
lol. Yeah, "someone" has to do the math...
@HyperFocusMarshmallow
@HyperFocusMarshmallow 8 ай бұрын
You could probably get away with constructing hyperbolas using just geometry. Like the straight edge/compass type of geometry. But a guess is that the number of people who would be unfamiliar with that kind of construction are about the same people who’d be unfamiliar with taking a square root. So I’m not sure what the gain would be exactly. And also, that would qualify as math as well of course. Just not algebra or whatever. … Btw, I found the comment: “… no math, just some counting …” (paraphrase) quite amusing.
@elonp9435
@elonp9435 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for acknowledging that that KZbinrs haven’t done a good job of explaining the twin paradox, and always do so with some amount of hand waving. It’s the one piece about GR I’ve never felt like I’ve understood fully
@mitymi
@mitymi 8 ай бұрын
It took me way too long to wrap my head around it because of incomplete explanations. There are so many videos about this topic already, but I couldn't find one that covered everything I needed to understand it myself. I'm hoping this will save other people the frustration that I experienced.
@hicri9739
@hicri9739 8 ай бұрын
Cool graphics. You'll do good
@mitymi
@mitymi 8 ай бұрын
Thanks! Glad you like them!
@aryansinha3629
@aryansinha3629 8 ай бұрын
Fire video, hope this blows up
@mitymi
@mitymi 8 ай бұрын
Thanks! Me too!