Jude 1:7 speaks of “Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh” (KJV). In context, Jude is assuring his readers that God has punished sin in the past and, therefore, He will continue to do so in the future. Jude gives a list of incidents as evidence of God’s judgment, and one of the incidents that he cites is the case of Sodom and Gomorrah. The King James Version and the New American Standard Version are similar in the translation of Jude 1:7, and both use the term strange flesh. “Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire” (NASB). The ESV has a more interpretive translation: “Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.” The ESV includes an alternate translation, “different flesh,” in a footnote. The NIV provides the most interpretive translation: “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.” The traditional understanding of this passage is that the “strange flesh” refers to homosexual desire similar to what was exhibited in Sodom in Genesis 19. Two angels (appearing as men) visited Sodom. Lot, not knowing that they were angels, asked them to come into his home. The men of the city learned of the visitors and mobbed Lot’s house, saying, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them” (verse 4). In recent years, there has been an attempt to legitimize homosexual desire and even to look for ways to make it compatible with biblical teaching. Some have challenged the traditional understanding that the pursuit of “strange flesh” refers to homosexual lust. Jude 1:7 begins with “in the same way,” which calls our attention to the situation in the previous verse. Verse 6 says, “And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling-these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.” This has often been understood as a reference to Genesis 6. The first verses of that chapter highlight the wickedness that precipitated the flood. Many interpret the Genesis passage as referring to angels who in some way had sexual relations with human women. According to some, the logic in Jude 1 runs this way: in verse 6 angels have sexual desire for human beings, and in verse 7 human beings have sexual desire for angels. The conclusion is that the desire for “strange flesh” in Jude 1:7 refers to human-angel relations, not any kind of human-human relations. This interpretation has several problems. First, it is far from clear that Jude 1:6 is a reference to Genesis 6:2-4. Second, it is far from clear that “the sons of God” in Genesis 6:2-4 refers to angels or that human-angel sexual activity is what is in view. Third, the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah warranted judgment before the angels ever showed up (Genesis 19:20). In fact, pending judgment was the reason the angels went to Sodom in the first place. It is not as though angels were being assaulted on a regular basis in Sodom. And, finally, the men of Sodom had no idea that the “men” visiting Lot’s house were angels, so the issue could not be an unnatural attraction to angels. The next issue that needs to be addressed is the term translated “strange “ in the phrase “strange flesh.” The word translated “strange” is hetero, which means “different.” The issue is complicated by the fact that we use the term heterosexual to refer to attraction to the opposite gender and homosexual to refer to same-sex attraction. Jude 1:7 says that Sodom and Gomorrah were judged because of hetero attractions. However, the context is clear that hetero in this case does not mean “different gender” but “different from the norm,” as in “strange.” Romans 1:26-27 calls these urges and actions “unnatural”-that is, they are different (hetero) from the God-ordained design. Finally, some have charged that the sin of Sodom was not homosexuality per se, but violence and attempted homosexual rape. They claim that Genesis 19 has nothing to do with loving, mutual homosexual desire. Certainly, the violence of the men of Sodom adds an additional layer to the problem. It may account for why Jude describes the incident in Sodom as one of “gross immorality,” but it does not explain why Jude says they desired “strange flesh.” Furthermore, it was not for the single incident with Lot that Sodom was judged; rather, that incident simply demonstrated and confirmed the kind of immorality that was rampant in Sodom, Gomorrah, and the surrounding areas. When all the evidence is considered, the traditional understanding is still the most consistent with the biblical data. Sodom, Gomorrah, and the surrounding areas gave themselves over to all sorts of sexual perversion (rape would be included in this), but homosexual attraction and activity, described as a desire for “strange flesh,” is also included. Jude describes homosexual desire as a desire for hetero flesh because it is “different” from the God-ordained plan for sexuality. Jude says that the men of Sodom were judged for this and stand as an example of God’s willingness and ability to judge such actions in the future.

Jude 1:7 in Greek: ὡς Σόδομα καὶ Γόμορρα καὶ αἱ περὶ αὐτὰς πόλεις τὸν ὅμοιον τρόπον τούτοις ἐκπορνεύσασαι καὶ ἀπελθοῦσαι ὀπίσω σαρκὸς ἑτέρας, πρόκεινται δεῖγμα πυρὸς αἰωνίου δίκην ὑπέχουσαι. In English: just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the around them cities - in like manner with them having indulged in sexual immorality and having gone after flesh strange are set forth as an example of fire eternal [the] penalty undergoing. What the strange flesh that is mentioned is (σαρκὸς ἑτέρας), is where the question comes in. Among those who agree that the Bible prohibits homosexual practice, there is a disagreement about whether the story of Sodom and Gomorrah should be used in support of this conclusion. Traditionally, the sin of Sodom has been considered, among other things, the sin of pursuing same-sex intercourse. Hence, the act of male-with-male sex has been termed sodomy. More recently, others have maintained that attempted homosexual gang rape is hardly germane to the question of committed, monogamous gay unions today. Sodom had many sins-violence, injustice, oppression, inhospitable brutality-but same-sex intercourse per se is nowhere condemned in the Genesis account. Some conservative scholars, while still holding conservative conclusions about marriage and homosexuality, have concurred with this line of reasoning, arguing that when it comes to deciding the rightness or wrongness of homosexual behavior, Genesis 19 is irrelevant. There are many important considerations to weigh when trying to make sense of Sodom and Gomorrah. Obviously, the Old Testament context matters. Knowing something about the Ancient Near East may help too. Looking at literature from Second Temple Judaism is also important. Most critical, however (at least for those with an evangelical view of Scripture), is how the New Testament understands the sin of Sodom. Which is why Jude 6-7 is so important. And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day-just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire (sarkos heteras), serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. (Jude 6-7) There is a case to be that Jude’s comment about sarkos heteras (“other flesh”) is a reference to sex with angels not sex with other men. Verse 6 is likely an allusion to the sin of the angels in Genesis 6:1-4, which according to Jewish tradition, involved angels having sex with the daughters of men. So it is not far fetched to think that the “other flesh” in verse 7 is a reference to the men of Sodom trying to have sex with Lot’s angelic visitors. If this interpretation is correct, it makes it less likely (though not at all impossible) to see the sin of Sodom as being, at least in part, the sin of homosexual practice. Which, of course, would do nothing to invalidate the other verses that speak on the subject, but it would set aside the most infamous account of homosexuality in the Bible. Having said all that, I still see good reasons to accept the traditional interpretation and conclude that Jude 7 is a reference to the sin of homosexual behavior. 1. This interpretation is in keeping with prevailing Jewish norms in the first century. Both Josephus and Philo not only condemn relations that are “contrary to nature,” they explicitly understand Genesis 19 as referring to homosexual acts. 2. As a striking example of sexual immorality, it would certainly be more relevant in a first century Greco-Roman context to warn against homosexual behavior as opposed to the non-existent temptation to have sex with angels (cf. 2 Peter 2:6). 3. It would be strange to refer to attempted sex with angels as pursuing other “flesh.” Of all the ways to reference angels, the very physical, human, and earthly sarx seems an odd choice. 4. The men of Sodom did not know they were trying to have sex with angelic beings. Even if sarkos heteras could be taken to mean a “different species” (and I don’t think it does), the men of Sodom had no idea that that is what they were pursuing. Isn’t it more likely to think they were guilty of pursuing sex with other men (as they saw them), then that they were guilty of pursuing sex with angels (which they did not understand)? 5. If pursuing “unnatural desire” is a reference to seeking out sex with angels, how do we make sense of the beginning of verse 7 which indicts Sodom and Gomorrah *and* the surrounding cities of this sin? Were Admah and Zeboim guilty of trying to have sex with angels? It makes more sense to think that Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities all had a reputation for sexual immorality and that one flagrant example of such sin was homosexual practice. This is why the parallel passage in 2 Peter 2:7-8 can depict Lot as greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of these cities. They had a reputation for lawlessness which did not rely on angels to be manifested. In short, the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah and the whole region was not just a one-time attempted gang rape of angelic beings, but, according to Jude a lifestyle of sensuality and sexual immorality, at least one aspect of which was exemplified in men pursuing the flesh of other men instead of the flesh of women.

This is why women should not teach or preach

Do not deceived

I am same sex attracted. I used to believe this stuff. I decided to follow Jesus. Much better now.

Jen Hatmaker is a funny and engaging speaker but I couldn't help feeling that this talk had an edge to it. In any case, the fruits are about obedience. Bearing fruit isn't about happiness in our day to day lives. The fact that Christians did mean things to people that identify as gay does not mean that gay relationships are okay. I am same sex attracted. I used to believe this stuff. I decided to follow Jesus.

Don't be deceived

3:00 and that doesn't strike you as stupidly woke?

How kind (being facetious)of you to encourage the laughter and belittling towards those who believe differently than you. I feel sorry for you how you think it is ok to laugh at those who believe in the scriptures as they are written.

Notice how much she talks about herself instead of spreading the Gospel. I pray that her eyes will be opened to the lies that she is following and spreading.

I actually finished watching even though there is very little scripture used to back up this point of view. I highly recommend the book, Set Adrift by Sean McDowell and John Marriott. If you are in the process of deconstructing your faith, it is perfect for you. Let the totality of scripture be your guide, not your feelings. Feelings always change. God is the same yesterday, today and forever, Amen.

You lost me at,” if I have to throw out half of the Bible.”” The full council of God‘s word must be preached. Jesus himself quoted the Old Testament.

Likely lies and misrepresentation of the Bible. It's the same case of the false representation of homosexuality in ancient Greece (non Christian) related to Plato and Socrates. Homosexuality was seen even among them as something shameful. Pagans such as the Viking tolerated homosexuality but always viewed the man who "received" a a sissy, unmanly and not worthy of honor. In warfare, sodomizing the enemy was a form of domination and humiliation rather than pleasure and they knew very well the symbolism behind it. (no pun intended)

Notice this guy is also a homosexual, that's why he's lying about it.

It’s not even just sex! It’s a romantic orientation too right?

maybe if the gays felt safe in church they wouldn’t have been so vulnerable to the lifestyle that led to it

Dude the enemy is all over this gay hate.

You are not a follower of Jesus. You follow your flesh.

A reprobate mind, conforming to sin, consumed by fleshly desire. “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: if anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭18‬-‭19‬

You are taking the bible, N T Wright and Preston Sprinkle out of context. Non are presenting these relationships as accepted by GOD. Just because humans sin and engage in sinful relationships does not mean that such relationships are accepted by GOD. GOD is clear in Scripture, these behaviors are NOT accepted by GOD. HIS view of relationships as marriage is male and female. It is explicitly affirmed in Scripture. I pray that the Holy Spirit reveals HIMSELF to you and shows you HIS truth. GOD Bless!

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Thank you

This was amazing… I have a few questions after watching 1946.’ How can I email them. I’ve have never felt so happy and sad at the same time, I cried for an hour and couldn’t sleep last night.. How can I support the broken that have walked away from God.

A very long video and a lot of yapping. It’s simple sodomy is am abomination to God.

Uh... NO!

Jesus is being betrayed as a cuddly teddy bear who just wants to hold your hand. This whole thing is just terrible. It’s sad that a terrible act of violence happened at Pulse. Let’s not turn this into “We are victims forever bc/we have deviant sexual practices”. True love proclaims truth. Here are some of Jesus’ actual words: Matt. 18:7-9 Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe by whom the temptation comes! And if your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire. Matt. 19:4-6 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate. The message of the Bible is about God and His holiness. We are sinful and He is perfect. We could not stand to be in His presence as we are, but God, being rich in mercy made a way for us by doing what we could not do. In sending His son, Jesus, God/man, who lived the perfect life, died for our sins, and defeated death. For those who REPENT and turn to Him, there is forgiveness of sin and life everlasting. For those who continue in their sin and idolatry (including sexual sin), and refuse to turn and repent, there is eternal separation from God: hell. The loving thing to do is proclaim this message to those far and those near. This message saves.

This is an overall, good presentation; it was particularly useful for clarifying how queer theology differs from affirming theology. There were a few of issues that stuck out to me though. First, the assertion that queer theory/theology are a prime example of the idea of expressive identity. At first glance there may appear to be numerous similarities, but correlation doesn't equal causation, as they say. Imho the arguments of queer theory need to be engaged with on their own merit, not strawmanned. Second, that queer theory/theology necessarily leads to a new good/bad dichotomy. As you point out, queer theorists criticise the existence of the dividing line at all, so any sort of good or bad that might arise from queering the norm cannot be placed at the feet of Queer, it is necessarily a result of reaction against that process. One more thing I'll mention, you say there's no "sex in the park"-type of person; what is an exhibitionist then? If you only define sex as something people do with their genitals then may be there isn't, but i think queer theorists would have something to say about that too. Again, good talk, love what you're doing, hugs and blessing. Now, off to join the queer revolution.

Thank you for sharing your story, Sally! I can't wait to meet you in real life someday!

What a huge mistake. Such unbiblical views. Shame on Northland for allowing these wolves in.

Thank you for faithfully proclaiming the truth! God's blessings to you and to all those that support your work. You are leading people into the truth and the light of Christ's love. In the letters of the New Testament, the inclusion of gentiles was critical to a full understanding of the gospel, even though Genesis 17 required the circumcision of Jews and non-Jews. Early Christians and Jesus argued for full inclusion based on the barriers that have now been broken down. The same is true of our LGBTQ- siblings. Thank you for leading people to the truth.

The Bible says Men shall not lay with Men And Women shall not lay with Women. The Bible says when a Man Lies with a Man or A Woman lies with a Woman it's going Against God. Read your entire BIBLE! Don't pick and chose what you want to make being Gay ok...Cu, being Gay is not Ok according to God. Period

How this grieves the Lord. Shameful!

Here's a verse you missed: Leviticus 18:22 ‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23 ‘Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion." Can a person disagree with verse 22, but agree with verse 23?

At 10:57 you state that no other scripture refers to "same-sex behavior specifically." You even make a reference to verses from Ezekiel's comments on S&G, but you omit that aside from the specific sins Ezekiel mentions, he refers to their "abominations" five times in one chapter. Their abominations were not hospitality! Abominations refer to sexual immorality. That same deceptive tactic is also used to say Jesus never spoke of the sin of same-sex relations when He speaks of abominations.

Roman Catholics are misunderstanding Matthew 16:18. The confession that "Jesus is the Christ the Son of God" is the only foundational truth that Christ builds His church on. Peter’s confession is the rock.

Imagine going into Bible study with the intent of finding a way to justify your own world view. You're missing the whole point. God isn't a reflection of your lust

You're right in that homosexuality was not the downfall of Sodom and Gomorrah. It was pride, and homosexuality was but a manifestation of such. Pride leads to this destructive behavior (homosexuality) and others. For End Times, pride once again is the main culprit that shall bring about judgment upon the world. Funny (or not funny) enough, today a flag representing pride has been created and raised in all territories that were once Christian: the Pride Flag. In June, this flag is raised and pride is declared, and once again, homosexuality is the main manifestation of such. Nothing new under the sun.

The guy looks and talks like he is GAY himself. Could this be a self-hater of his own nature? Besides. What people do NOT understand is "marriage" in the ancient word was more about COVENANT CONTRACT than "sex". And the woman was "given" as part of the "property" given in the contract [what in contracts is called "consideration". Sex could only occur within "Covenant" It was only A PART of that CONTRACT. "Marriage" is RARELY (only 4 times) even mentioned in the Old Testament AT ALL. And each time the Male "takes" the female "in" COVENANT [Marriage]. He "obtains" property. Thou shall not covet they neighbours property included his "wife" along with his donkey, and maid servant and man servant, or anyTHING that is (belongs to) they neighbour. In FACT there "is" indeed a verse of Scripture in the Old Testament .. that illustrates that the "marriage COVENANT contract "and the opposite-gender sex were TWO DIFFRENT THINGS. For in that verse a MAN "married" another MAN! Surprised? Well CHECK for YOURSELF, but get a LITERAL Translation to get as close to what came out of GOD's mouth as possible in that verse. This is found in "Youngs LITERAL Version" [YLT] : YLT 1Ki 3:1 . And SOLOMON [MAN] *joineth in MARRIAGE with* Pharaoh [another MAN] KING [MAN] of Egypt... This portion of the verse illustrates that in Ancient Times "The Marriage "itself" was a COVENANT CONTRACT" between to Parties. of which the female was part of the contract "consideration" expressed in the 2nd part of the verse: .....and TAKETH (obtained) the daughter of Pharaoh, and bringeth her in unto the city of David, till he completeth to build his own house, and the house of Jehovah, and the wall of Jerusalem round about. You see kids, Consideration means each side of a contract gives something of value. If one person gives nothing, a court won't enforce the DEAL. This principle represents the mutual assent of the parties involved in the contract. Thus Marriage is a "contractual commitment" of "two parties" in this Biblical Verse by GOD, the two "parties" of the contract are BOTH MEN!!! I'm sure you NEVER hear this before, because these are things GOD has to show one in SCRIPTURE. Thus "they were "marrying" ONLY pertains to the "male" partner and "given in marriage" only pertains to the female partner. But the MARRIAGE itself is a Committed Contract and YES, Homosexual [same gender sexual peoples] CAN "marry" with this definition. It has to be "married (male) and given in marriage" to emphasize a "heterosexual" CONTRACT. So When we examine what GOD wants and sees, we MUST USE ORIGINAL SCRIPTURAL TEXT as our STAR WITNESS. If NOT you will get it WRONG every time because GOD's WORD is as ALIVE as HE, and it will only OPEN TO YOU, when your intent and heart is PURE. We do NOT know the SPIRITUAL condition of our English Translated Bibles which have been COPIED from EACH OTHER and spread around the world "as" god! GOD is a COVENANT GOD. This sets him APART from the false "heterosexual gods" heterosexual men created in Ancient times in their OWN image [projecting Earth to Heaven] And this is the "fundamental" reason WHY the doctrine on Homosexuality has been a Traditional "Perversion" of what GOD SAID in it's PURE state. Example: Thou shall not lie with man as with a woman; it is abomination IS A BIG FAT LIE!!! WHY? because there is NO word "as with" or ANY such comparison language in the ORIGINAL SCROLLS which GOD BREATHED and dictated to MOSES. Thus a Doctrine "taught" using that verse ALSO becomes a BIG FAT LIE! And PEOPLE LOVE IT!!! Satan TOO!!! And to keep reciting that verse is "practising SIN" because GOD COMMANDED in THE LAW "Do not ADD to nor DELETE from MY WORDS!!! DUETERONOMY 4:2 and DEUTERONOMY 12:32 AND in HIS Book of Wisdom given to Humanity Proverbs 30:5-6 GOD MEANT THAT!!!! You who USE this ALTERED verse to condemn COVENANT LOVE BOND RELATIONSHIP [Marriage] are GOING TO HELL for it too! Who SAYS? CHRIST HIMSELF said in Mathew 25: 41-46...and these are CLEARLY good anti-homosexuality CHRISTIANS!!!! That means YOU!!!! "Depart from ME you who do "LAWLESSNESS" [Tell LIES on GOD, SPREAD LIES against thy Neighbour's sexuality to glorify your own, AND "ADD" to and "DELETE" GOD BREATHED WORDS, when JESUS taught us to LIVE by "EVERY WORD" in YOUR BIBLE?.....NO! "EVERY WORD: That Proceeds out of the Mouth of GOD. And in SCRIPTURE, not ONE WORD was breathed in ENGLISH, so one must ALWAYS go back to the BREATHED WORD. NO Translation "of" SCIPTURE is SCIPTURE ITESELF for it is "Fallible" and has "ERRORS" and has practised SIN!!! NOW that I have came unto you by CHRIST who sent me, AND you do NOT become a BEREAN and go behind me and SEE for yourselves, then your SIN SHALL REMAIN. For NO Child of GOD would EVER Turn AWAY from TRUTH for JESUS said HE IS TRUTH and thus would be turning AWAY from JESUS who will declare at Judgment "I NEVER KNEW (has spiritual intercourse with) YOU SO REPENT HARD HEADS and STIFF NECKED Christians [like the Israelites who for-shadowed you]. STOP putting you limited carnal sensibility EMOTIONS before HARD CORE "PURE" SCRIPTURE SCROLLS on this doctrine matter. If you can by GRACE of GOD manage that on THIS matter, It will open an entire NEW Revelation IN SCRIPTURE on OTHER matters as well, for you would have PAST an essential TEST, for SCRIPTURE to OPEN unto YOU as it has Me, and that on ANY MATTER dear to you.! Until then, SCRIPTURE is CLOSED!!! And you are stuck with "traditions of MEN" which will end you up in HELL "even though you have done such good works "in the name of cheeseus" aka "Jesus" 😇🔥😇

So basically, you've used the Bible to support your homosexuality, though....God tells us that it's an abomination...Got it. Stop struggling against Jesus. His commandments are quiet clear. I speak as a sinner myself. We KNOW the truth.

This is such bad scholarship. The plain reading is clear and you try to reason from absence. Nothing in the Bible condones homosexual acts. Your attempt at eisegesis will not stand.

It's all about making the Bible say what you want it to say. Vines is no philologist, but rather a tendentious activist. The idea of him being a "Bible Teacher" -- !

25:20 Because sexual orientation is a modern concept. We’ve always abided by natural law. Men and women compliment each other. We didn’t have to explicitly say that that is that way it should be. Any other relationship would be out of order and incompatible with natural law and our design.

Hell is waiting for people like you.

Homosexuality is a sin.

Making a Comparison with the watchers is not quite correct. Firstly the watchers were the manipulative violators, they took wives for themselves and so they caused the act of what was unnatural. Second the men of Sodom had no idea that these were angels Gen 19:5 tells us so. Thirdly cities don't just gang grape strangers, you have to remember Lot was at one time a stranger, so weather they saw them as a treat from a neighbouring city we don't know but whatever the circumstances for either pleasure, prestige or as a standard ritual, either were wrong and to say Sodom was destroyed just because they wasn't giving to the poor or not hospitable is beyond ridiculous.

And the best thing is God's lovingkindness doesn't even stop at Sodom's destruction. "'I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters, and Samaria and her daughters. I will also restore your fortune along with theirs." -Ezekiel 16:53

In Sodom and Gomorrah if they existed lived women and Children. In addition these places were not modern democracies. There would be slaves, lower class people and travelers. These ancient cities would be controlled by a small elite. They made the laws created the civic virtues. So something goes wrong in these cities. God decides to kill everyone. Not only the adult people who have done the wrongs whatever they were. But also the little children, some no doubt still in cribs. Children so young they would not know the idea of right and wrong. The idea of God killing everyone is of course morally grotesque. In reality it never happened. But it reflects the ideas of the people who wrote the account. Probably six hundred years later in the Kingdom of Judah. The world in which those people wrote did not see women as more than possessions. Slaves were no different from farm equipment. Outsiders did not count. A moral universe we see as barbaric. Anyone reading this stuff now realizes that these verses contain no wisdom. There is no lesson to be learned apart from how much morality has moved on since those times. How some one can ponder over this stuff without feeling moral revulsion is the odd thing

I may very well have to buy your curriculum, this is very interesting. Thanks Matthew!

Don't let this man lead you into the lake of fire!

Why is ur voice like that of a girl