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@Fopeano Ай бұрын

On T3 that I love and still find it hard to consider a throwaway, I find it unusually easy to have my FWD car oversteer when I track in to take the proper entry into T4. I'm green at Lime Rock, but I'm trying to figure out if it's fun or fast to be doing that. Actually, I should post a video asking that question during some footage I got of what I'm talking about. Dude, I love these very well done walkthrough videos with expert commentary.

@RicardoLen-t6y Ай бұрын

Arthur Shoal

@jimdeadyenigma356 3 ай бұрын

As for throw away corners they don't exist. There's a lot of track and banking you're missing that add additional drive to the right and the back straight. I drove Atlantic so there may have been differences in approach but I doubt it. Every corner on every track is to be perfected not thrown away. Interesting side note, I had the rear wing collapse on the crest of the up hill.

@cookincars 4 ай бұрын

Great video even all these years later. Thank you 🤌

@022rty 6 ай бұрын

Awesome track! Just did an hpde weekend there. Lots of fun!

@dvas2686 6 ай бұрын

Ouch on that first attempt, hope the underside of the car was ok, haha. I found it to be a minimal difference, the new curbing is just not as wide as the old one but I think it changes the line by a few inches.

@radratracing3225 6 ай бұрын

Yeah we measured it on a track walk, its 8.5 feet from the wall to the spike tip, a Z is about 7.5 feet wide in my configuration so I knew there was space to try it. Car was fine, but I agree not too much different from before speed wise if you take the wide line. I think the first attempt line would only work as a desperate pass but its not saving anyone any time.

@donstevenson2660 6 ай бұрын

This thing should not exist. Just because T.K. blew it there once, everyone suffers.

@radratracing3225 6 ай бұрын

Have to disagree with you on this one, probably the most fun part of this track to drive in my opinion. Also Tommy isn't the sole reason for this add, primarily NASCAR accidents (the big one being McDuffie's fatality the year prior). To each their own I guess.

@djmohab2 5 ай бұрын

TK didn't "blow it", you nonce, he had huge mechanical failure.

@022rty 7 ай бұрын

Been here a few times for the American LeMans series going up in a few weeks with my car for a HPDE weekend. Can't wait.

@radratracing3225 7 ай бұрын

Its a great time, really well maintained and fun track.

@TurboHokie 8 ай бұрын

Track day this weekend. Time to watch this great video to prepare.

@radratracing3225 8 ай бұрын

If you're talking about the NASA day, I'll be leading the DE1 classroom with another one of my good friends

@miracledriver55 9 ай бұрын

"miatas can do it flat out" great thaf means NA Honda civics can do it aswell

@Officialnrb 10 ай бұрын

Is a straight away longer than a straight ?

@TheRivalryDrifting 11 ай бұрын

unpopular opinion lime rock is just a vary oddly shaped right hand roval. t3 and 4 are the road part so the oval lay out would just be a straight line from t2 to t5.

@randycarreiro8363 Жыл бұрын

What happen to the morton checane? Not in use. I did tge skip barber thing in 2001 and it was being finished. It was a awesome day only three people and we had extra seat time. I came prepared with my wrestling shoes from high school. Them formular cars were tight on your feet. Orher guy had jogging sneakers and had to bail and go barefooted. There was a older scca dude that was teaching. He was driving a neon and told us we were hitting 107 to 110 on his spedo on that front stretch. That up hiller was def a challange and yes yiu better have your wheels straight and go as smooth as possible. Early on we took the golf cart out and he showed us the lines you refer to. Next we did dodge vapors on the auto cross. That was sick. We went on for a little defensive driving on the skid pad . Took a dodge pickup with balled tires and kept doing a hard circle and the teacher would pull up a rear mechanical brake that sent you into a skid. Oh did i mention all at the same time there was a fire hose completely soaking the pad and your wind shield. Learned a bit that day. A week later i was merging on the high way and a guy came across 3 lanes to hit a exit . And was basically going to pancake my driver side . Had to do some evasive maneuvering .that i learn at the skip barber experience. It was a awesome day . Three weeks later the towers at 9/11 came down later that year lost my hero dale Earnhardt and my step dad same day. Talk about a emotional year.

@VeliusCoba Жыл бұрын

Great Line man! I use to live in CT I went to every single event @ Lime Rock Park from when I was 12yo to when I was 30yo I never missed a event, It was a frigging RUSH!

@travis3810 Жыл бұрын

Would the lines change significantly for a RWD mid-engined car?

@radratracing3225 Жыл бұрын

No they wouldn't. Things start changing here a little bit when you start adding serious amounts of aero or are very high HP. I assume from your pic that you are talking about the Cayman, this is a good baseline for that car.

@travis3810 Жыл бұрын

Yep 981 Cayman GTS, good spot. I currently drive a GTI, but am looking for a Cayman to track. @@radratracing3225

@johnleonard8311 Жыл бұрын

Many laps there in my GT3 Volvo 122, perfect description of a lap around Lime Rock

@imfrcd Жыл бұрын

In a FVee, it's flat except going into turn one, yea, even the uphill. That took a while to do.

@michaelavrie Жыл бұрын

Thanks for making this

@Goated_Entity Жыл бұрын

Multi class race? Some cars just flew by

@radratracing3225 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the organization I run with (NASA) pretty much holds exclusively multi class stuff on road course. The exception is usually the national championships where each class gets their own race, but it takes place over a few days.

@jimdeadyenigma356 Жыл бұрын

The left hander is not a throw away corner. There's a lot more track than you're using and it's banked. It's the key to the right hander and the back straight. Skip used to say it was a throwaway. I mentioned that to Posey and he took me out there to see what I was missing.

@randycarreiro8363 Жыл бұрын

I took the class in 2001 there was a veteran champion from the scca division teaching that was very good. Do uou know of him? I cant remember name

@hawksite 3 ай бұрын

Throwaway does not mean slow, just that you compromise your line to get more speed later. If you try to drive it as fast as you can, you will end up off the track as the marbles all go to the hill side in between the turns. Actually you will lose the rear and shoot across the track and end up off driver’s left.

@ScrewUserNames6587 Жыл бұрын

Watching this on repeat for my trackday tomorrow. Thanks for the video 😊

@radratracing3225 Жыл бұрын

Hah, well if you're at the NASA day I'll be there. Also there Sunday. Hope you have a good time

@Queensraces Жыл бұрын

Ty for this advice and video

@Mcmuffinman414 Жыл бұрын

Do you prefer lightning or thunderbolt for the miata?

@radratracing3225 Жыл бұрын

In a Miata, Lightning hands down. I think, in general, Lightning is a more rewarding track to drive but Thunder really has some fun fast corners.

@dvas2686 Жыл бұрын

Good basic guide and visuals. But much more school line oriented vs the actual racing line. Especially in the left hander and uphill.

@stal5861 Жыл бұрын

Great guide, haven't driven this track in a long time and needed this!

@IgorekGQ Жыл бұрын

T3 Flat out at 130MPH??? On what car?

@radratracing3225 Жыл бұрын

It's something you have to work up to but pretty much anything can take turn 3 wide open as long as you have the brakes to stop for turn 4. Thats the real limiting factor on turn 3. The supercharged BRZ I was using in this video has no aero and I do about 125 through there foot all the way down. That said, dont show up on day 1 and think "yeah I can do this wide open I saw it on the internet" you still have to build into that speed since, like I point out in the video, theres a pretty massive bump for where the NASCAR safer barriers get installed.

@IgorekGQ Жыл бұрын

@@radratracing3225 I understand but I have been to Pocono North Many times I ran it 55.1 and I don’t see how you can that the turn flat out at 130MPH that’s 208 km/h the bump/deep is huge across the whole entry I will not believe it until I see it…. Maybe with 2 tons Aero and with 0 bump the it’s a possibility

@radratracing3225 Жыл бұрын

@@IgorekGQ While I appreciate your perspective, I have several hundred laps on Pocono north, run races there and instructed with several organizations. You are correct that the bump is the width of the track but it is much more severe on the far right of the entry. Since the track was damp the day I shot this and I never go full tilt when I'm filming for these videos, I lifted to about 50% throttle for turn 3 in the laps shown, but I can assure you that on a normal dry day I take that wide open at 125-130 with 0 areo on my car. Again I want to stress that is not something you should attempt on your first outing here, but it is possible for most vehicles.

@IgorekGQ Жыл бұрын

Trust me I am all for it when you do so please let me see the Logs I would love to see it and if it’s true then I can run there probably 52-53 second.

@shepardracing Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I’ve driven summit main so many times it doesn’t pose and problems to me anymore. This 2023 year is the first time I’m going here for SCCA MARRS, and I’ve never driven this track before. This is an extremely helpful video

@radratracing3225 Жыл бұрын

Actually planned to shoot a Summit video last year but I melted the cats in my BRZ and blocked the entire exhaust. Hoping to get to it this year. Glad this one was helpful and good luck!

@alistairfannell6694 Жыл бұрын

@@radratracing3225 Question is this track suitable for IndyCar

@baphy_mcgoats 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for making this!

@RobertMeany 2 жыл бұрын

They just renamed No Name straight to Paul Newman straight.. last fall I think...

@radratracing3225 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like they did in September of '22. Good catch, I hadn't heard this news yet. Pretty fitting name.

@randycarreiro8363 Жыл бұрын

I have a paul story to. As a fresh out of high school and working at a print shop on bethel danbury line bob sharp moved his race shop from wilton to his new dealership next door shop was in the back left which was just out the window of my press. I watched a lot while the tge press ran. And way i saw paul was there and went out to get closer . Loved kool hand luke and was told opening seen where he is cutting the parking meters off wa filmed behind our apartment next to the big gas ball. In downtown danbury. I dont know if true but it looks like the area. Anyway paul signed a bob sharp picture with the famed 33 datsun 240 or 260 z for me .i have no idea where that ended up. One more thing the printshop i worked at was united reproductions and Big tom the owner also owned and sponsered . Chick stockwells famed 3 window 34 coupe at Danbury 151

@hunczar 2 жыл бұрын

THX! helpful for a motorcycle as well. Your lightning vid helped me w/ the tip about the billboards :-)

@ragweedmakesmesneeze 2 жыл бұрын

So I know it's racing and often the racing line is what is available to you, but watching this video in comparison to your track tutorial video, am I right to say that in this race, there are a couple of corners where you turn in too early and that results in you going out too far onto the rumble strips on track out? TIA! Heading to Thunderbolt this weekend, and your videos have been great!

@radratracing3225 2 жыл бұрын

The short answer is yes, especially turns 2 and 7 I turn in earlier compared to the tutorial video. Now to expand on that, for my tutorial videos I tend to show what someone who NEVER has been to the track before should be aiming to drive. GENERALLY, its safer to turn into a corner later because it reduces your entry speed to the corner turn in point and you dont slingshot yourself into the grass on exit. Once you know where the car is going to be on exit compared to where you turn in, you start backing the turn in up a little bit to carry more speed through the apex and exit. I will tell a student maybe to take it easy on the curbs (and because the tutorial videos are aimed at new drivers I use less curb there) but there is no such thing as "too much" curb. If you're gonna give me another 2 widths I can carry speed onto (like the exit of turn 2 here) I'm going to use it, because its ultimately faster. Its a matter of teaching safe, repeatable lines in the tutorials vs going as fast as I can in the race (and taking whats given to me space wise). Have fun at TB.

@ragweedmakesmesneeze 2 жыл бұрын

@@radratracing3225 Very interesting and helpful, thanks for your detailed response!

@Bane_Diesel 2 жыл бұрын

Do you still instruct here? I want to attend the track on aug 25th. It will be my second track event. My first track day was raceway park last Sunday.

@radratracing3225 2 жыл бұрын

I do actually, I will be instructing that event as well.

@Bane_Diesel 2 жыл бұрын

@@radratracing3225 what course layout is used for the school? Do the add the chicanes?

@SuperKingRiz 2 жыл бұрын

Such a classic track

@radratracing3225 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry for the mono commentary channel, working with a new audio setup and didnt notice until it was exported.

@JacobNascar 2 жыл бұрын

I am ashamed that I read the title as "Pocono North Wilkesboro" a few times before correcting myself.

@JamesSeal 2 жыл бұрын

Lime Rock next please. Your NJMP lightning video was instrumental in helping learn the track.

@radratracing3225 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I actually tried to shoot Limerock earlier this year, but there was literally hail. Hope to have it end of summer or at the latest early next spring.

@JamesSeal 2 жыл бұрын

@@radratracing3225 The event in April? I was there too. I had the blue 1981 Corolla

@radratracing3225 2 жыл бұрын

@@JamesSeal Yep, I saw that car. I think I saw you at lightning as well. I'll try to shoot LRP again in the July event.

@MrJoeytulino 3 жыл бұрын

Just registered for my first track day Aug 12th here, thanks for this I'm going to watch this a few times before then.

@JerseyShorePorsche 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the guidance, have a DE event there this weekend. Banging off the limiter at 4:53 make me crack up!

@ragweedmakesmesneeze 3 жыл бұрын

Quick question, based on reported race entries, and MOST of the videos I've seen on KZbin, I was under the impressing that Spec Miatas race on the track with only other Spec Miatas. However, it seems like, at NJMP at least, there are other cars on the track at the same time?

@radratracing3225 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry for the wildly late reply on this. The group I raced with at the time (and instruct for now) utilize whats called multi class racing. The idea is much like 24 hours LeMans or Daytona, there are several classes on track at once all having their individual races. Some times if the field is large enough, only Spec Miata will be present on the track, but typically there isnt enough time in the day for every class to have its own race, so we condense them into two multi class races.

@ragweedmakesmesneeze 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent...thanks! (Now to see if you've done similar for other tracks!)