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@Sandysruined
@Sandysruined 2 сағат бұрын
I’ve heard the Dutch style chops down on the target, Thai style chops up
@ThePhoenixProduction
@ThePhoenixProduction 3 ай бұрын
I was surprised none of those knees scored. Were they simply not clean enough?
@Clymax01
@Clymax01 6 ай бұрын
Cobra Kai Never Dies!!!
@karimizemrane6976
@karimizemrane6976 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the breakdown coach
@rdvandalos
@rdvandalos 10 ай бұрын
Thanks, great information
@tannercarnahan2438
@tannercarnahan2438 11 ай бұрын
Love Dutch style, very hard to telegraph. Great for setting up thrust kicks to get some distance
@djlawler9925
@djlawler9925 Жыл бұрын
Is that bo nickal
@calonordstoast
@calonordstoast Жыл бұрын
Very helpful, thanks guys
@goodcomrade2949
@goodcomrade2949 Жыл бұрын
thats defently not how I learned low kicks from dutch kickboxing, we have totaly different ones we come from above and set up our feet like ramon dekkers, either there are different dutch low kicks styles or this video is just wrong
@chuckchen2851
@chuckchen2851 Жыл бұрын
Sir, the finesse in the game revealed by your breakdown is amazing. All your content in the channel has been super technical and tackled just the kind of details we need to work on in our daily sparring and games. I hope you'd have more breakdowns like these coming, as well as those tutorials on the techniques. Detailed explanations of the details are hard to come by on KZbin, thanks for the effort in sharing this.
@fightingformula
@fightingformula Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the kind words! Much appreciated! I have taken a break from creating content to focus on other projects, but I have heard lots of similar feedback recently from other people. This might be nudge I needed to re-focus my efforts on creating content. Thank you!
@lyndonshryko7352
@lyndonshryko7352 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video!!
@samuraisteve2775
@samuraisteve2775 Жыл бұрын
I don’t agree that is how the Dutch Style is thrown. There are both Thai and Dutch trainers that do not pivot MUCH, but you didn’t pivot at all. Ramon Dekkers and Rob Kaman are great examples. The Dutch style has power, and you have nothing on it. Sorry to completely disagree.🙏🏻
@goodcomrade2949
@goodcomrade2949 Жыл бұрын
yeah these so called dutch kicks are not the ones we learn at the gym where I train, they even discurage using such kicks. we learn to move from the side and plant your feet and have it at a angle so that you can kinda kick through a person also we dont kick from below we go high first and then come down like a axe and aim just above the knee.
@omarbudeiri1720
@omarbudeiri1720 Жыл бұрын
Great. Way to go coach.
@omarbudeiri1720
@omarbudeiri1720 Жыл бұрын
Vivid explanation . Way to go.
@joseantoniosanz9045
@joseantoniosanz9045 Жыл бұрын
That was great. Thanks!
@InspiredIsland
@InspiredIsland Жыл бұрын
hey, how doesn't this telegraph your kick more? If you bring your arm across your face before every kick?
@jonesltd9640
@jonesltd9640 Жыл бұрын
I’m guessing it’s for the drill not to do in a fight.
@TheMylittletony
@TheMylittletony Жыл бұрын
I've trained in multiple gyms in the netherlands and in thailand over the years, and I have never seen someone throw this 'dutch' lowkick.
@BioWerkmanSprint
@BioWerkmanSprint Жыл бұрын
Great video. When you watch Rico Verhoeven, you will notice he will attack the inside of the back leg with low kicks which is hard to do with the Thai style low kick.
@enby_kensei
@enby_kensei 2 жыл бұрын
I treat them like a jab vs a hook. In jeet kune do, we have a lead leg Dutch kick called a o'ou tek or nao tek. I use several lead Dutch kicks at a longer range to slowly dig at my opponent's ribs or guard. But I use that Thai kick to hit a lot harder, but less often.
@aaftaabrafique9356
@aaftaabrafique9356 2 жыл бұрын
Very good explanation please upload more videos
@kma3647
@kma3647 2 жыл бұрын
My background is tae kwon do. I'll happily throw a full hips-over round kick. Those without that tend to do more of a soccer/football-style kick. Hips are neutral and you just drive the leg like it's your game-winning shot on goal. I disagree that one is inherently faster than the other though. With proper training, hips over can be every bit as fast since you gain a lot of acceleration utilizing the hips and core. Otherwise, very interesting. I'd never heard it called the "Dutch style" kick. Wonder if that comes from Bas Rutten.
@sallystuchlik7028
@sallystuchlik7028 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely great instruction. Thank you so much for sharing!
@randabuffer6562
@randabuffer6562 2 жыл бұрын
It’s NOT about what works, it’s about what looks cooler. Thai kick foe life 😎
@t.s.5327
@t.s.5327 2 жыл бұрын
Great movie and explanation. But from my experience back to 90s-2000s is first the technical aspect and second the place. if you kick at the right place you don't need a lot of power to destroy the challenger. In my time i had 58kg and were able to destroy a 95kg man with one low-kick. Let me say easier, Technic + Speed + the right place is the solution of a hard successful low kick. by the way, at this time we trained min. 2times/ week 1-2hour low kicks.
@germancrespo2724
@germancrespo2724 2 жыл бұрын
Too much bla bla
@yongjiean9980
@yongjiean9980 2 жыл бұрын
Is the coach also trained in Kyokushin?
@wire3989
@wire3989 2 жыл бұрын
Thai style can be fast if you work with hips The only thing missing here is lead leg low kick. Very versatile kick some fighter use it interchangeably with jab, great way to interrupt your opponent and counter to puncher
@apexit1
@apexit1 2 жыл бұрын
Fully agree. I like teep kicks to opponents front leg or body to screw their rhythm.
@JoeyT80
@JoeyT80 2 жыл бұрын
This is great because people think and assume that a low kick is one dimensional tool and approach. No it isn't. I do what you teach. I use both of variations and break it down into a foundation for fighters and students to understand and see that it has a lot of versatility for fight applications.
@winwatjana9453
@winwatjana9453 2 жыл бұрын
Oh no... Both styles are part of Muay Thai kicks, i.e tae tam wong nai (inner low kick) vs. tae tam wong nok (outer low kick). Little knowledge is certainly dangerous. How could you coin or claim the "Dutch-stle low kick"?
@camilla_kickboxing5006
@camilla_kickboxing5006 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video. Thanks a lot for making it!
@MrCharlietoma
@MrCharlietoma 2 жыл бұрын
22:39 how can it be that 1 kick made the scoring change so much? I've thought 2 judges having him in front with 1 point. So if the other guy score 1 it should be even, instead of him being behind by just losing 1?
@MrCharlietoma
@MrCharlietoma 2 жыл бұрын
Or did the both the right hand and the inside kick score, 2 points in 1 combination?
@fightingformula
@fightingformula 2 жыл бұрын
This is an awesome question! Thank you! Under WAKO rules, in the case of a draw, the electronic scoring system automatically awards the decision to the fighter that scored more points in round 3. With the situation you point out, the fight is 1-2 in favor of the blue corner, but if you look below the time clock you can see each individual judge’s score. In actuality, Judge #2 has the fight a draw at that moment, but the system has broken that draw in favor of Red because Judge #2 has scored more points for red in this third round. A little later a single kick is scored. This brings Judge #2’s scorecard from even to +1 Red. It also brings Judge #1’s scorecard from +1 Blue to even; but as Jude #1 has also scored more points in this final round for Red, the tie-breaker is automatically given to Red. This creates the 2-1 Red score. At 23:10 there is a brief moment where the score becomes 3-0 Red, however 2 of the judges have their score tied. Again, this is a very unique situation and we greatly appreciate you bringing attention to it, and helping us to share knowledge with our athletes, coaches, and fans.
@MrCharlietoma
@MrCharlietoma 2 жыл бұрын
@@fightingformula Thanks for the detailed video, and your great answer to my question. Makes sense!! Please make more videos, like the one with the sidestep/juke. Very great explanation, good technique, hoping for more! We might know the technique, but there is much more to it always. Do you have any favorite combinations, way to utilize angles, tips for mindset and confidence? Hope to see more videos in the future!💪🏼🥊 I'm gonna face a former 2x World champion soon in K1, i feel like the room for error is getting so small. I know to move my head of line, and use feints but it's hard when you are not tall and your opponent is waiting to fire combo all the time. Any tips on getting closer or way to punch without getting countered? Feints, hands up, but maybe you have learn some small things that have worked for you. Sorry messy text, im from Europe 😁
@MrCharlietoma
@MrCharlietoma 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Very detailed, well explained, it has been very useful. I got all my questions answered.
@JM-rc2wt
@JM-rc2wt 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting perspective. Thanks
@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595
@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 2 жыл бұрын
So you throw the Dutch style low kick like an inside crescent kick, but you make contact the side of the shin? I thought the reason you turn your hip over was to hit with the top of the shin?
@fightingformula
@fightingformula 2 жыл бұрын
No, I still want to hit with the top of my shin. With the Dutch style kick, the majority of my hip rotation is in the kicking leg. In the Thai style kick, my hip rotation is in the kicking leg + the support leg. I don't recommend making contact with the side of the shin, there is way too much potential for injury that way.
@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595
@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 2 жыл бұрын
@@fightingformula Thanks for the quick response 🙏
@collinsomogot8122
@collinsomogot8122 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much its very good for us Indonesian as a new member of Wakoasia and Wako. Keep up the good share of knowledge.
@davidolmos6335
@davidolmos6335 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I knew this when I was training back in the early 2000s. I was confused when one gym I went to taught to keep the hands up but a different one to drop and swing your arm on kicks. One was teaching dutch style kickboxing and the other Muay Thai but both gyms had fighters competing under Muay Thai rules. Different tools but I could've used both and limited myself to what was suggested.
@palawat1
@palawat1 2 жыл бұрын
When they got close, Thai boxing don’t use low kick, Thai boxing use knee elbow or punch instead because it’s stronger impact.
@PLONG12345
@PLONG12345 3 жыл бұрын
Does the Dutch Style have sub styles as well like the Thais? Like in Muay Thai they have Muay femur, Muay Mat, Muay khao, Muay Sok, and Muay Tae. In boxing we have four main styles called Swarming, Outboxing, Slugging and Boxer-Puncher Style. I know that Dutch fighters are generally aggressive but im interested to see a slick dutch style fighter cuz i have never seen none actually althougj i believe that dutxj fighters have better footwork mobility and head movement than thais but i saw more slick muay thai fighters than dutch kickboxers like saenchai samart and lordsila. And also do the dutch style have sub styles at all?
@kma3647
@kma3647 2 жыл бұрын
My suggestion is don't overanalyze. You can kick anywhere you want on the leg with both techniques. The difference is just in the hip. Ideally, you'd drill both styles kicking to the lower leg and the upper leg, and with your front and rear leg. I would advise against practicing aiming for the knee though. These are street kicks or combat kicks, usually banned in competition because of the terrible injuries they cause to the knee joint. Always keep your sparring partner around for the next class =D
@johntay3831
@johntay3831 9 ай бұрын
A Muay mat is basically a Dutch fighter. I agree with him, don’t overanalyze. When you spar or fight, you can’t always be a Muay Mat, sometimes you have to adapt and change. There is no fixed style. You give what your opponent offers you.
@globetrekker7905
@globetrekker7905 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for these high quality tutorials Coach
@fightingformula
@fightingformula 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the feedback! I'm glad you enjoy them.
@andrewtanczyk4009
@andrewtanczyk4009 3 жыл бұрын
Do I want to do the slide step from a longer range or close range? I was taught by my boxing 🥊 coach to take a 90 degree angle 📐 pivot either left side or right side. He said you can take it at long range then attack. Yet recommended double jab right hand in close range then pivot left or right 90 degree angle 📐 to start your attack over again. To be honest with you I really like this slide step it seems much more smoother and easier of a transition in between movements than what I was taught using the 90 degree angle pivot to the left of right. I’m Going to be training this more. Lately I’ve been practicing a left or right lateral movement step then combination or one punch attack. Yet this is offers you better balance without getting off balance with the 90 degree angle 📐 pivot that I was taught. Thanks. I will be training this.
@fightingformula
@fightingformula 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Andrew! I'm happy to hear you appreciate the techniques. And yes, I was fortunate to be able to compete for Team USA and against some of the best professionals in the world. You bring up some great questions! First of all, I suggest experimenting with different techniques/methods and find what works best for you. What works best for you might not be best for me and vice versa. Additionally, a technique that works against one opponent may not work as well against another opponent. My thoughts: If I can create a 90 degree angle on my opponent, it's game on! However that may be difficult, especially against higher level opponents. A higher level opponent will see and react to your movement faster. A 90 degree angle may also take more steps or more time to execute than a smaller angle would. And a 90 degree angle at a boxing distance is vastly different than a 90 degree angle at kicking range. Personally, I always try to get my opponent to freeze or shell-up before attempting to angle and I'm fine with a 30-45 degree angle as it is faster to execute and still gives me an advantage before they adjust. Train hard!
@andrewtanczyk4009
@andrewtanczyk4009 3 жыл бұрын
Most boxing 🥊 coaches don’t even know these advanced techniques. You have a lot of experience!
@andrewtanczyk4009
@andrewtanczyk4009 3 жыл бұрын
Team USA 🇺🇸 kickboxing coach. Did you go pro? Definitely have professional skills.
@andrewtanczyk4009
@andrewtanczyk4009 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, that was professional training. You should go pro for either kickboxing or boxing 🥊. Good skill sets.
@natashaperez3304
@natashaperez3304 3 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. I can use this to breakdown sparring mechanics. Thanks! 🔥
@fightingformula
@fightingformula 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! Glad to hear you enjoyed it!
@xxxag1768
@xxxag1768 3 жыл бұрын
Why is Michael Chandler Weidman calling Jan "Bobby"?
@colemabro
@colemabro 3 жыл бұрын
dutch style makes sense for points, but muay thai makes sense for damage
@davidolmos6335
@davidolmos6335 2 жыл бұрын
Dutch is pretty damaging. Usually, dutch fighters have better hands. Many dutch fighters compete in Muay Thai rules too so from a distance they throw more traditional Thai kicks.
@danone987
@danone987 Жыл бұрын
Points? Wt t'hell are you talking about... Dutch kickboxing is no shotokan karate or taekwondo 🙄
@colemabro
@colemabro Жыл бұрын
@@danone987 maybe youre just retarded so ill let it slide buddy
@danone987
@danone987 Жыл бұрын
@@colemabro No. But you are, definitely! 🤣
@Kraftwerk00
@Kraftwerk00 Жыл бұрын
"makes sense for points" LOL
@ronski50
@ronski50 3 жыл бұрын
LIke those moves, will incorporate into my kumite.
@robertrodriguez578
@robertrodriguez578 3 жыл бұрын
5:22 Low kick and now calf kick. Sick!
@brunitom2213
@brunitom2213 3 жыл бұрын
te pusiste los tibiales alreves campeon
@carodejXXX
@carodejXXX 3 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. Thanks