@@yajnalgibno6536 it was not defective. Tested 2 and both were exactly the same

That's very normal in racing

You are suppose to left foot braking.

@GRamerDim These days simrigs & reality looks same so I think that’s why😅

because? Seems u just like to insulting people just to make u artificially feel better...

Yes, but only to get away from a standstill.

F1 cars have clutch too. Just that these machineries are powered by sequential dogboxes

​@@mikeoxmaul_2121 yes and the clutch is at the wheel.

I can explain to you high Nm wheels. Most of the time those operate at 25% at most, but when you bump into something or unsettle the car then it can go all the way to 100%. If you think people that have like 25nm drive close to 25nm all the time - you are the uninformed not them. Also more force means it can consistently operate at lower levels, while (from what people say) low nm moza and fanatec have huge problem with overheating especially for endurance events where those wheels lose nm to cool down. But I can say a lot of people actually are uninformed - my default drivers for 15nm wheel set it so most of the time I got 50%+ force and it was both quite undrivable and numb. Those added a lot of effects (post process...) which actually destroyed what the game was trying to tell me through the wheel - and it was a default setting lmao. About the brakes - for simracers they dont need any "feel" because there is no feedback. If we are talking mid-high end those brakes measure pressure, not travel, so it doesnt matter if you have 0 travel or huge travel, what matters is force, so thats only a preference. And your body is better with force than with travel while you have no feedback. Thats it. From my point of view I dont care about "realism" thats not what I simrace for, I want to be fastest I can while having fun and all of those actually make a difference for performance, but realism? Dont care, its not like its even close anyway.

@@ThePsycho211 Right so all the wheels put out the same level of force, until you hit something and then the 25Nm wheel gives you a high fidelity car crash simulation. Unless that aspect of driving is important to you, I dont see it as a particularly useful product. If youve ever driven in a real car you should know there’s tons of feedback through the brake pedal. There’s a feeling right before and after they lock, similar to the feeling you’re probably familiar with in your steering wheel when you go over the limit, and it absolutely is critical to driving fast. You can feel the road texture through the brakes. It’s a little mind boggling to me that sim racers have apparently all decided they need as much feedback as they can get through the wheel, but the feedback through the brakes don’t matter at all. I’m like 80-95% sure you’re mostly all being marketed to, because it’s easy to slap on a bigger motor or make a brake that doesn’t move. Any cheap digital scale has a pressure pad in it that can take several hundred pounds of force without moving; it’s not anything special. Why don’t they design a brake pedal that gives feedback instead?

@@rS8NkZRu it's not for crash simulation... Most of companies tells what is the PEAK TORQUE which is achievable only in short bursts. Constant torque is mostly 50-70% of peak value. It depends of the motor. If I remember corectly, Mige ST130 have 10Nm constant and 20Nm peak. Beyond that there's slew rate which tells how quick that torque is delivered. That's important if u want precise FFB. All low end DD are just overreacting on tiny details and feedback about grip is less precise. Yes u can tune that but it's basically throwing away dynamic range which is whole point of DD wheels at first place. Overall: more torque = more dynamic range so u can have more clear difference between specific FFB details, it allows for more controll of FFB output (it doesn't overshoot perfect point to cath a slide for example), fidelity of FFB, slew rates are better and bigger motors usually feels smother so less tune is required which is ironic because any tune takes away a bit of dynamic range as I mentioned before. And the neat part... 8-9Nm DD wheel (Moza R9, Fanatec CSL whatever) will feel weaker than 20-25Nm (VRS, Simucube Pro) detuned to 8Nm. Why not go beyond 30Nm then? Motor rotor will be just to heavy. 20Nm is the perfect spot. No, I don't have any DD wheel, It's not any SimRacing propaganda it's just technical fact... I use CSW v2.5 and in my opinion it just feel miles better than any low-end DD.

I always thought the logitech pedals were light and mushy. Now i have a load cell brake pedal and that thing moves very little (like 1.5 cm with my full bodyweight) so with normal use it moves millimeters

but it's impossible to have that amount of travel on any Fanatec pedals so ur comment doesn't have sense xD

1. Why u want linear brake on first place? U can even see on this video that brake pedal became harder at the end. 2. VRS DP Pro pedals allows up to 70mm of brake travel 3. HE Ultimate+ allows up to 75mm of brake travel Something cheaper? Najam S120 - 60mm but pedals arm are a bit short and longer travel can be a bit unfortable.

So confident, with such a long comment, while not even knowing these cars have sequential transmissions 😂😂😂😂

@@jorgedscoelho I'm using sequential since a kid on dirt bikes. Maybe you can explain why using a sequential makes your foot hovver in the air defying gravity?

@@Google_Does_Evil_Now You don't need to use the clutch(only for rolling out in 1st) or blip in these cars, it's done by the ECU.

@@Google_Does_Evil_Now these cars use same dogbox as dirt bikes, so you can shift without clutch+ecu on these cars can cut ignition or blip when shifting

I understand it's sequential. But look at his foot position. In the air. His foot is high in the air, and he's using left foot for clutch and brake. Clutch can also be used to moderate the drive % to the wheels.

That's a race brake. They are not behaving like normal car's brake pedals.

yeah it would be even softer with it on

@@asphyxia9927 I'm not entirely sure, but it's possible that it doesn't have a brake booster, in that case it wouldn't be any softer

@@asphyxia9927 yeah 😅

@@asphyxia9927no

It’s a closed system with brakelines and brakefluid. It’s not going anywhere when the car is started or not. My streetcar hydraulic brake doesn’t change either. I believe this isn’t much different.

The only reason the brake goes to the floor with the engine off on your street car is because the brake booster is designed to hold vacuum. Pump the pedal 10-20 times with the engine off and the pedal will become firm as the booster looses vacuum and ability to boost the pedal. This is done for safety. Imagine if you stall your engine and then suddenly loose power brakes as well. I believe GT3 cars do not even use a vacuum assisted brake booster as street cars do. If so there would be zero difference in the brake feel engine on or off.

@@memememine1 No GT3 car I know of uses a brake booster. They typically interfere with combined braking and throttle inputs, making the brake stiffer when the engine is throttled, which is obviously not good for consistency.

In a road car when engine is not running, brake pedal is stiff as concrete, if not, push it 2 times and you will feel it.

These are race brakes. They are not working like normal car brakes.

😂

i cant but honestly i can see him struggling a bit more on the clutch than the brake

Feels thick and beefy boi

IT IS SO WEIRD, I actually feel the push

I can feel it 🥵

I know it's a joke but, if a brake pedal in a real car would have this little movement then all you would see is cars spinning out of corners.

​@@FabianDialer-vw1zkI once drove a Formula Renault. It had almost no brake pedal travel. It felt like pushing a wall.

Thought the same

i guess they only really use it to start right? or do they have to clutch with some of the paddle use as well?

high hp cars need a stiff clutch to handle the extra power, if you had a regular cars clutch it would burnout way too quickly

surprisingly? It's a race car, bro...

I'm guessing the clutch on a GT3 car is a more specialized thing to handle the massive power. However, the pedal would be similarly stiff on a regular road car if not for hydraulics that multiply the force. Old cars have pretty damn stiff clutches. Though the uploader's choice of footwear certainly isn't helping in demonstrating it.

And that it doesn’t take 300 kg to push.

​How much would you reckon it actually takes to press it 100%?

Brick Pedals are a meme

and they want to think the real car is unrealistic, their rigs are.

@@marcusomme9395 i would assume that braking at high speed causes it to be easier to press fully, due to your body moving forward

You're confusing pedal travel with pressure. You vary braking force by changing the pressure on the pedal, not it's position.

@@Czeslaw_cn4tv I wrote about pressure, not travel. but pressure comes with travel. at least in most cars. The early Merc McLaren for example was different. Brakepedal was hard as a rock with very little travel. So precisely varying pressure was not that easy.

I agree with you. Sim racing goes a little bit overboard with that

@@loganm2766 it‘s getting a bit flexy in terms of specs of wheelbases and pedals. Bigger is not always better. it also depends a lot on the actual sim how your setup and yourself perform. And you should know what you can use steering wheel, shifter and pedals for.

@@Gosdalex depends on car. GT3s have power steering other cars don't. Also open wheel cars are known to have stiffer pedals. Probably also because of limited space in the cockpit. And also the more Aerodynamic force and braking performance the car has the stronger the pedal has to be because of the g-force that pushes you forward.

So when the car is turned on the brake is even softer. This debunks the myth that race car breaks have zero travel and are like pushing a brick wall.

@@david328ci people are confusing F1 brakes to all race car brakes. a GT3 brake is completely different to an F1 brake. They think like this: F1 brake is super hard = all racing cars brakes are super hard. In VERY general terms it is like this: Open wheelers=super hard, Prototypes= Hard, GT cars= Softer than the above.

Yeah but still harder than normal street cars​@@gregkar2736

​@@gregkar2736I think most of the people expect it to be hard because of load cell pedals and sim racing. I don't believe it has anything to do with f1 racing at all.

@@JustMamba In Formula 1 cars, the brake pedal feels hard and requires a significant amount of pressure because of the braking system used in these high-performance racing cars. Formula 1 cars are equipped with what is known as a "brake-by-wire" system, which differs from the hydraulic braking systems typically found in road cars. Here are a few key reasons why the brake pedal in F1 cars feels different: -Brake-by-Wire System: Formula 1 cars use a brake-by-wire system where the brake pedal is not directly connected to the brakes via hydraulic lines. Instead, the driver's input on the pedal is transmitted electronically to the braking system. This system allows for precise control over braking force distribution and helps with advanced features like energy recovery systems. -Carbon-Carbon Brakes: F1 cars use carbon-carbon brakes, which are designed to withstand extremely high temperatures and provide exceptional braking performance. These brakes operate most effectively at high temperatures, so they require significant force to generate the necessary friction for braking, resulting in the pedal feeling hard. -High G-Forces: Formula 1 cars experience high levels of aerodynamic grip and can generate significant g-forces during braking. As a result, drivers need a firm pedal feel to apply the necessary braking force consistently, especially under heavy deceleration. -Limited Pedal Travel: The brake pedal in F1 cars typically has limited travel compared to road cars. This design allows for quicker response times and more precise control over braking, but it also means that drivers need to apply more pressure to achieve the desired braking force within a shorter pedal range. -Driver Feedback: The firm pedal feel in F1 cars provides drivers with valuable feedback about braking performance and grip levels. By having a more direct and responsive brake pedal, drivers can better modulate braking force and optimize their braking technique for each corner on the track. Overall, the combination of a brake-by-wire system, carbon-carbon brakes, high g-forces, limited pedal travel, and the need for precise control all contribute to the unique and firm feel of the brake pedal in Formula 1 cars.

Not soft at all just long travel but i get what u mean i feel like that break must feel so smooth too

Don't forget that the guy is also standing still. Imagine braking and the G force is hitting you, it should even be a bit easier to brake aswell.

@@The_W_ facts, honest something im not used to switching from sim to real is the g force

It’s almost impossible to simulate real brakes on any sim rig unless you come up with an overly complicated solution. You are pushing pressurized fluid through a real brake pedal which can change in feel based on temp, load, pressure, etc. the reason why sim racers like really stiff load cell pedals is because it is the best way to build muscle memory and be consistent. High end professional sim racers don’t look for pedals that have the most realistic feel, they look for whatever is going to give them an edge in competition.

@@UnrelatedNonsense lets be honest the ffb padels are the most realistic ones but they are like 4 k each so no way.. 4k is more then my rig, like u said there is no real way of simulating that expect lol of money. That being said sim racing is a tool to practice race craft and consistency, its more of a transferable skill then a 1 to 1 translation

*Beautifull* Translate to English *Beautifull* Both identical, both wrong 🤣

Yea quiet mode is still crazy fan speed. I wish these fans were PWM so we would have more control.

There's no fixed pressure past which the abs activates, but rather a point after which the computer detects tyre lockup and instantly kick in. That point is subjective to every corner, for example at slower speeds the lockup point is lower, so the abs kicks in earlyer. In the faster braking zones, the lockup pressure is way higher, so the abs only starts to really do its thing as the car slows down. That's why, if you watch onboards with telemetry, in slower corners the drivers don't press the brake all that much, while they absolutely kill the pedal in big braking zones. As for the pedal pressure, i heard it's around 50-60kg peak on the amg.

Sustained brake pedal face forces are something around 60-80kgf typically, but it can be a bit lower or higher depending on master setup. The problem is that most of the sims don't calibrate the brake at a realistic force; the cars in ACC are roughly 50-60kgf maximum; "maximum" is more like 100-120kgf IRL.

@@rickrolled7930 No way in hell 50-60 is peak unless it's using a roadcar brake booster. The sustained forces are higher on average.

@@ArchOfficial daniel morad, who won daytona this year in the gt class, has a youtube chanel. He drives the amg gt3 in america. He said numerous times that the pedal is pretty soft and long travel. Because the point of these stiff racing brakes is not to exhaust the driver and kill his leg, but to allow him to create just enough muscle memory to have precision. And 50 kg peak is more than enough for that. Anything more is unnecessary. F1 cars are so stiff because the braking is much less forgiving. They must slam on it hard at top speed to take advantage of the aero and slowly lift into the corner. Because verything has to be so damn precise, they have shorter travel and are 150kg stiff. Also, an f1 race is about 1.5 hours. Endurance races are up to 24h. There's no way an f1 driver can press 150kg of force for 24h.

@@rickrolled7930 That's cool, unfortunately I've looked at GT3, LMP, hell even some Formula telemetry. I've done the math too. 150kgf peak is achievable for a sprint race, although it's pretty much something that never happens ideally. Overshoot is around 100kgf at most usually. F1 brakes are stiff because the cars reward quick application of brake, and they're short because you can't make them longer without career-ending ankle injuries.

Hahaha same

Black queen? Lying piece of shyte you mean.