This response is strictly based upon this application, the 6 units recommended are the CD5224 Infratech. We are recommending the use of a control panel that will allow the adjustability of the heaters output. The main electrical source (Main Feed) will be 163 amps (125% FLA), Inside the custom control panel are 6 sets of relays and breakers. From the control panel each heater will have its own connection. The Electrician is to provide the main breaker and determine the appropriate location of the control panel install as well as all manufactures installation requirements of the equipment during their installation of the whole system.

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Unfortunately you need a remote control for the Sunpak model TSR give our office a call to order one. patioheat.com

Speaking of Sets I'm assuming you are inquiring about the Electric Heaters 6K vs 5K units? The better for this application is to use more than 2 of the 6K and so we have an issue of too much overlapping of heat rays. That is why I switched to the 4 ea. of the 5K units so that the overlapping rays between the two units are less. As far as comfort level each individual is different. Most can appreciate the output of a properly mounted heater near the 50º (F) level. If you are acclimated to a much cooler temperature then a lower ambient is acceptable. I have worked with customers in very cold climates and they have sent images of their enjoyment during the snow fall days.

The main reply we made in this video was to inform viewers that an Electric Infratech is the best solution / type of outdoor heater in windy applications. To reiterate the fact that true infrared heat is a "light wave" and will travel through air (wind) and will absorb into solid objects, floors, tables, chairs and the human body. Moving air within an open structure will only alter the temperature through convection. Cold air passing an object it will decrease its temperature. The faster air moves around an object the quicker the object changes in temperature so blocking the wind helps reduce the necessity for more heat on windy days for human comfort. Gas heaters in areas where the air is moving greater than 10 - 12 mph fluctuate there performance because the flame is being push around and is not getting the emitter (ceramic on a Sunpak) to its proper temperature for full infrared (light wave) heat output. (we do not recommend placing a fan around a heater to move air around or through it as it increases the turbulence causing a drop in its function as well as a possible improper ventilation). Thanks for the comment!

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You are welcome, I am not keen on the idea of using wooden brackets personally because you still need to maintain that 6 inches of clearance above the heater, which means you would have to incorporate using a steel noncombustible item. You could always use a steel square pipe that mimics a piece of wood, however it doesn't need to be very large. It could be a one by one inch square. The heaters only weigh approximately 18 pounds so two brackets holding 18 pounds is not very much. I hope this helps. Thanks again.

@@patioheat Thank you! Yes, this makes a lot of sense. I will look into a steel option.

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The CD6024 can be installed along the outer limits or edge and angled up to 45º perpendicular to the mounting bracket of the mounting plate. When "ceiling mounted" the heaters clearances increases if the angle is greater that 30º (please review the manufactures "Installation, Use and Care Manual"). The distance or pattern of ideal heat is no greater than 10' from the surface of the heaters elements. If your patio length is greater than 16' and you have two units installed at 45º along the width section towards the center of the patio (say 20' apart) the center section may not be an appreciable amount of heat. Let us know if this helps?

@@patioheat thanks for your reply! It would be a completely covered horizontal flat pine ceiling so would that be enough clearance if mounted to the ceiling and angled at 45 degrees? I also just emailed your support email with additional info, if that's helpful and you'd like to take a look. Thanks!!

This particular client requested to heat the sofa seating area only and that is why the focus was on that side. In the video I stated that my preferred placement was above the seating area, rays pointed straight down. Lastly they requested a gas unit and it requires much more clearances especially at an angle (off the lower beams the heater would have to drop down significantly). Sorry we don't recommend any type of software. Thank you for your question!

Sorry we are not familiar with the Pro Con heater and if it is set up for natural gas I would say "no" but if it is set up for LP than you will need to make sure the regulator you purchase is set at the proper water column (WC) pressure. Propane tanks are never to be used or stored in an enclosed structure.

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I do not use any solution that may damage the gaskets of the valve. The thermocouple is a sealed part and I do not see how it can improve its performance. If it is corroded to the point of non function then I recommend replacing it. The only method I use to clean any debris from the pilot and thermocouple assembly is a soft wire brush. Thank you for the comments!

No on using a compressor, valve are only able to withstand 1/2 psi, if you can see down the orifice holder, down just about 1 inch to the wire mesh then its clean and there is some other type of blockage. Valves are complicated and the only recommendation at this point is to have it serviced by a qualified technician.

Did you remove the main burner orifice? If yes then did you check and clean out the main burner orifice holder? I sometimes find spider webs below the orifice in the holder and other times see excessive rust particles down the holder (at the bottom is a mesh screen). Does this help?

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Will that work? Maybe, but it is based upon the distance the heater is to the chairs and what model you choose. There could also be a much greater heat ray throughout the crossover sections making it intolerable. Personally, I would never recommend the placement of heaters you have described. Please consider sending us your patio structure details so we can offer you a true recommendation.

My thoughts in reference to "this particular application" is that placing a SlimLine on a wall or on the perimeter of the patio will not allow the heat to be angled enough to get the light ray (infrared) in the proper angle to actually penetrate the occupied space. Every application is unique and clearances are sometimes harder to work around when the seating positions contend with the structure as well as we try our best to make it aesthetically pleasing. Yes, Infratech does state it is best to angle the units but I do not 100% agree. We are dealing with light rays and for an example, if you are sitting at a table and the heaters are positioned behind you only your back and the back of the chair will absorb the heat (your front will be in the shadow), place it over the table and the majority of the energy will be absorbed in the table. Overhead you will receive the majority of the rays. Also note that stating that the heaters installed along the parameter angled inward will heat the floor, well yes, but how long do you think this will take to heat a floor that is 60º (F) and how much convection heat will be required to keep comfortable? Hot air rises and dissipates quickly outdoors. One of Infratech's most popular products is the flush-mount units and they must be placed overhead. The only time I would recommend a heater to be functional installed at 12' off the finished floor is if the occupied space is intended for standing room. Another thing to consider is that the human body is 3 dimensional so it is best to have overlapping rays so that you feel heat from multiple sides. A last thought is how many people sit up straight when they intend to relax in their space so that only their head and shoulders receive the heat? Our purpose of this channel is to help others understand and make the best decisions when choosing their heaters. Im sure your are aware, that making these 3D animated videos takes time but in the end it I believe it is better then simply creating a website for the consumer to simply click and purchase a product that may or may not function as they hope. Thank you for your comments and questions they really help!

Yes, 100 amps at 240 Volts for 4 CD6024 or 4 WD6024 heaters, we are not electricians but I do know that in our county there is a safety margin that requires a larger breaker. We recommend you research your local codes to obtain the correct breaker size as well as any other installation requirements.

The output of energy is my main concern, the longer you sit under a higher output unit mounted at the same elevation in this case approximately 8' 9" off the finished floor and directly above you, the more radiant heat will be absorbed and after some time you will "feel" like your overheated. The 6K heater is designed for a 8' - 12'' mounting height but it also depends upon how far you are from the surface. Lets say you mount the unit along the parameter of the patio and you sat along the opposite side of where it is mounted. You will feel much less energy than if you were to sit just beneath the unit. Infrared is a lightwave and it will not heat the air, 30º F is a cold environment but just like if you were to take a walk during a sunny day at the same temperature you most likely will feel too warm if you had all insulating clothing and layers to keep you warm. So just increasing the output by placing a hotter unit will not guarantee your comfort. I can only recommend the heaters based upon the distance away and the protection from the structure surrounding the space occupied. I do acknowledge that below 50º F many will not be sufficiently heated using radiant heaters. It would be my recommendation to place several units (as we are three dimensional beings) and the one best for the distance of the mounting height. As for the questions regarding damaging furniture I have not heard a single complaint of this being an issue. Thank you for the questions.

Working with potential customers we try our best to illustrate what you can anticipate with the products we sell 3D animation is a great tool, thank you!

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Yes, because of the sloped ceiling the lower end of the ceiling would be the minimum clearance so the heater would have to be dropped down lower also this customer only wanted the outside are heated.

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Unfortunately we are not electricians our purpose is to show our recommendations on the best placement of the equipment in order to get full use of their outputs. I would recommend speaking with a licensed electrician in your area or research local codes in order to get the proper information.

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Sure, in this example the distance from the wall to the parallel outer edge is too short to meet the clearances in that orientation. The CD6024 is 61 1/4" long and requires 18" of clearance on each side that is a total of 8' 1 1/4" the CD4024 is 39" add the combined clearance of 36" give a total of 6' 3" to meet the clearance in this orientation. Let me know if you need more information.

There are two requirements of a regulator 1) the water column pressure 11 inch and 2) the volume of gas. All regulators that I have come across for barbecues generally have sufficient volume when designed for 11 inch water column pressure. Other issues I have seen in the field are overfilled tanks, which causes regulators to freeze as liquefied fuel travels into the regulator, reducing its volume capacity (is there ice forming on the surface of the regulator?). Temperature is another factor in how the liquefied propane vaporizes inside the tank, allowing gases not liquid to flow through the regulator. The last thing I have come across is kinked hoses, which reduces the amount of fuel to the heater, generally causing the pilot to reduce its flame size, not keeping the thermocouple hot. One final thing, the QCC fitting, which attaches to the regulator and tank has a safety feature design that if a small leak is present beyond that fitting, then it engages a 90% reduction in fuel flow.

Yes chain per the manufacture "These models may be chain or bracket mounted to any ceiling or horizontal surface" getting the desired angle may be challenging if you are not directing the heat straight down. In the past I also spoke with the manufacture who said cable would be fine too however it is not in the manual. Thanks for the question! www.infratech-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/infratech_C-series_instructions_jan2022.pdf

@@patioheat good to know, thank you

Thank you, our goal is that customers don't spend money on something that will not accomplish their goals, overall when you purchase from us you will get a very competitive price plus we EARN your business we are not a pay per click company. Great comment!

Reducing the amount of air movement in an outdoor environment can reduce the amount of radiant heat requirement. Making this "fixed" configuration limits the type of occupied space in the patio.