since minor move speed also gives 8% increase i thought pursuit of justice would only be used for the mount speed. is pursuit of justice slightly more than the 8% statet in the tooltip?
@Kickapaladin11 ай бұрын
It is not, faster than minor move speed. Its nice to have for world interaction and what not with your mount. Also you can use agi enchant on boots i believe instead of move speed.
@CountJosep11 ай бұрын
Can someone help my small brain understand why improved blessing of might is not worth?
@Kickapaladin11 ай бұрын
in 40 mans, there typically is a holy pally that took it, in SoD it might be worth for us to take in 10 mans
@codyclark67792 жыл бұрын
Old video I know, but I quit classic once we had BWL on farm. I am a ret main since vanilla and I used Nightfall axe in raids and for shoulders, Earthslag from black rock depths gives strength int and spell damage. I used those untill I got drake pauldrons.
@maranathashalom94023 жыл бұрын
Me 1 hour ago: nice let's do this. Got the mace from Naxx along my T1/blue gear, paid my last 15 gold to spec pvp retri, got a weapon chain on the mace. LET'S GO Me after 1 hour of classic endgame pvp: Kill me. No rly. It's just perma CC, being purged by shamans while everyone spams emotes and oneshots you with T3.
@xCr0nus4 жыл бұрын
You can’t sit proc reckoning in classic
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
It works, the timing is a bit diff compared to private servers.
@chrisagoodman884 жыл бұрын
Ashkandi is better than rag due to most mobs being resistant to the fire proc on rag
@vaelicusthepaladin4 жыл бұрын
Basically a bad warrior with unused spell potential. Ret Paladins, your build was made to be combined with spell power, why would you throw away T2 and PvP gear to compete with a warrior, just roll a warrior then.
@zsoltsiro13104 жыл бұрын
I would equip a few T2 pieces Shoulder for example easily better than T1
@williamwebb19854 жыл бұрын
I can link my gear to ypu
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
Ofc bro, send it over
@williamwebb19854 жыл бұрын
Raging berzerker helm Eskhanders collar Valor shoulder Might of the tribe cloak Sgc Mc 24 str leather wrist Valor gloves Belt of fallen crusader Legs fallen crusader Bloodmail boot Mastee drag slayer ring Gurubashi berzerk ring Sanctified orb Blackhands breath
@williamwebb19854 жыл бұрын
And im Williams from grobbulus
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
@@williamwebb1985 So the helm is a sleeper hit imo, replacing it with crown of destruction is prob the choice. The cloak is fine until you get cloak of the black baron. The shoulders are good, but maybe look to the AB shoulders or rocking the black dragonscale shoulders and boots. Then the last pieces are maybe getting Don Julio's ring to replace Gurubashi berserk, and Hand of Justice for Sanctified Orb.
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
Its alot, but i think your headed in the right direction, also maybe if you want look towards a hybrid build if you want to add some more spell dmg to your build. If you want, im not doing it personally but it seems to be a big thing in the top 5 percent of parsing. When T2.5 comes in we all will be hybrid building with spell dmg
@scott967804 жыл бұрын
Weird list
@burtyburton65434 жыл бұрын
Hey man, Is Razor Gauntlets ( From DM Eeast ) are such efficient like a storm gauntlets?
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
Razor gauntlets only do dmg when you take dmg, so i would say no
@dragonsden44574 жыл бұрын
bro you know absolutely nothing about ret. this is trash
@zsoltsiro13104 жыл бұрын
The hand slot is very useful I'm using The fiery plate gloves and the fire damage can also proc SoC Lots of times I actually double SoC-ed which is fucking insane
@jazzj24 жыл бұрын
what's your usual dps in this gear? i'm 7/8 t2 by now, with ancient hakkari manslayer and a righteousness spec instead of command, end up doing around 230 dps (although on lower level elites, probably less dps on higher levels since im not hit capped). although i've got less crit with this, the faster weapon gives me equally good vengeance uptime. also with more int, spell crit increases, so storm gauntlets work way better
@justinTime0774 жыл бұрын
Your high AF aren't you? Sounds like you've got a -300 Intellect debuff. I didn't agree with so many things you said just out of experience and being a big paladin fan since vanilla. Taking 1 point in Vindication over Eye for an Eye is fucking stupid. Straight up. I'm all about custom builds and playing how you want, but that isn't a good "wiggle" point at all. You can EASILY swap out 1 point from Deflection to have 2/2 Eye for an Eye, which is 100% more powerful and makes you far more versatile. I don't know what you smoked before you decided to make this video, but you need to rethink your life if you are going to walk with the Light.. and you have the nerve to call paladin's a meme.. as a matter of fact why don't you pull that word out of your mouth because I don't think you know what that's supposed to mean anymore than I do. You call them a meme just because that's what the "cool" people say, and then you say they're the most competitive classes out there? Try being yourself dude. Fuck that noise! I know you need to start somewhere, but you don't have to get stoned and make trash. If you don't know what you're talking about - learn before you press record! Why would you want to give people such shoddy information?!
@jazzj24 жыл бұрын
storm gauntlets only benefits from spell crit though, worth running without onyxia buff? i have them but my guild isn't exactly willing to let me dps in raids with this, so i haven't had a chance to test it
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
Legit give them a go in a MC, they are 100 percent worth. Although they do NOT proc nightfall from what i have heard. These gauntlets will increase your vengeance uptime.
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
I would say, it would depend on your current melee crit as well
@JI-yd6fb4 жыл бұрын
@@Kickapaladin im trying it on my 54 ret, wow its pretty good, love it
@JI-yd6fb4 жыл бұрын
@@Kickapaladin and weirdly it feels like it helps procc SOC and crusader? any thoughts on that?
@zsoltsiro13104 жыл бұрын
@@JI-yd6fb it PROCS vengeance so yeah it might proc seal of command which is Insane tho
@Cronk14144 жыл бұрын
You on Sulfuras? I swear I've seen that name....
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
Im on earthfury. I might have made a alt on sulf for a bit though :D
@shaktech96144 жыл бұрын
You will get clapped by most melee with that armor
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
It works out pretty good for me right now in BG's. Its mainly a PvE bis list. But i do use it for pvp as well.
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
If you have any recommendations for diff gear to swap out im all ears
@meta62874 жыл бұрын
what works aswell for shoulders are the r13 shoulders^^
4 жыл бұрын
As ret 1 str = 3 ap usally (if speced).
@Bdubsy4 жыл бұрын
Björn Bidar how so? Wouldn’t it be 1 str + talents = 1.1 str = 2.2 ap
@masonbarnes484 жыл бұрын
1 str = 2ap, same with ferals
4 жыл бұрын
T2 is actually good for resistance gear and if you want to have some int/sp and use 1-2 pieces. SoC scales with spell-power remember.
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
Some spell power is nice, but the main premise of Deep ret builds is to try and get the highest up time of vengeance. So having agi/crit is vital to maintaining a higher dps. That is why items like like the shoulders are soo big for us. But some spellpower is nice, although not as big as getting crit. For a spellpower build it is more important but im not running that right now :)
@sterp53734 жыл бұрын
Lol Earthfury gang
@WoWSoka4 жыл бұрын
@kicka I completely agree Ashkandi is the best weapon in game for ret pallies currently, with possibly hand of rag edging it out. I was lucky enough to get Ashkandi on my paladin on the first Nefarion kill for my guild a couple weeks ago and it’s amazing!
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
CONGRATS MY DUDE!!!!! That is BIG
@kristianhenriksson41194 жыл бұрын
Imo, BRE is the best 2h weapon in classic. when you have 3 stacks up there is no weapon in game that deals more dmg. after BRE i would go for hand of rag or Untaimed blade. Since Untaimed blade and BRE has the same proc chance. Untaimed blade is better than BRE with 1 proc, but soon as u get your second proc with BRE the BRE becomes stronger.
@WoWSoka4 жыл бұрын
Kristian Henriksson that would be correct if the proc rates were reliable for a paladin. However as a ret paladin you only get ~23 melee attacks per minute, thAts including seal of command procs on a 3.5 speed weapon. With the 7% proc rate on those weapons you simply won’t see enough uptime on the buffs to overcome the raw dps increase that Ashkandi has in comparison. Logs are out there, just check them out on Classic.warcraftlogs. On the vast majority of fights a ret paladin averages about 15% uptime with bre and utb procs. They don’t add up!
@WoWSoka4 жыл бұрын
Kristian Henriksson here’s a link to one of the highest parsing paladins in BWL. He’s using TUB, and you can see it’s proc rate is very low for him. Unfortunately not a lot of logs are posted with the blade yet. But all the logs that are posted have very similar results to this. Very very poor uptime. On multiple fights the uptime is 0%, and the highest uptime on any of the fights is 22%. classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N4fTCg6anrjDMYhF#fight=2&type=auras&ability=23719 guides that list TUB and BRE as BiS over Ashkandi are using inaccurate private server data that has proc rates that simply don’t line up correctly in Classic. Hope this helps!
@kristianhenriksson41194 жыл бұрын
@@WoWSoka here is my logs from my golemagg run. classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ptRPTgXZKHybNWYh#fight=8&type=auras&source=30 im not good at looking things up from wcl but if i understood correctly i had BRE proc up 69,09% of the fight. correct me if i am wrong? that seems pretty nice. i had 21 melee swings hits and 4 procs. Does SoC give chance to proc the bre proc? if it does i had 9 hits. But in generally when i play i think the proc is up alot i havent checked it from logs but just a general feeling i have that i see it up pretty often.
@xsvmalice85414 жыл бұрын
Finally a deep ret guide!
@justinTime0774 жыл бұрын
terrible, inexperienced, no idea what he's talking about
@Aon-Allornothing4 жыл бұрын
Black Dragonscale 3 pieces litterally solves your Shoulder/Boots/Legs problem? 100+ AP 1% Hit 2% Crit
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
That is tru, lots of AP that I need. The main concern is cost vs reward of black dragon scale. Its def better, but without 3 piece it's sort of bad. So 1 BWL price invalidates the whole set
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
So going for the set, might not be worth at this point. Devilsaur is a good alternative, and a bit more cost effective.
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
But you are right, I was working on it, but it became just a bit too pricey for me.
@masonbarnes484 жыл бұрын
Kicka agreed it isn’t cheap, I just bought black dragon scale 3 piece myself cos I’m preparing to craft Nightfall so I can raid as ret (fingers crossed lol) - but as soon as I can get something like Legguards of the fallen crusader it will kinda be hard to drop the 3 piece bonus of black dragon set
@12ntim4 жыл бұрын
You said their were no legs. I'm guessing you forgot about the legs in DM W.
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
The legs in Dm W are actually really good. As well as devilsaur. But I will say, the legs of the fallen Crusader are def better.
@WoWSoka4 жыл бұрын
Tim Butler the dm west pants are objectively the best dps pants for a retribution paladin pre-BWL and the fallen crusader leggings. But you don’t see many people using them for 2 reasons. 1: the devilsaur leggings are almost as good. They’re leather but using them you lose ~.5 % crit and gain 14 attack power. So they’re barely better than devilsaur which are a guaranteed item. 2: again with devilsaur. Most ret pallies use the gloves and leggings of devilsaur for a solid 2% crit and 2% hit. Unless you’re over the 6% for humans or 9% for dwarfs you don’t want to drop the devilsaur set, even with the DM West pants being better.
@12ntim4 жыл бұрын
Right, but you stated flat out that there were no other options in the video. I was only pointing out there was another option.
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
@@12ntim True, i didnt notice that lol Thanks ill def look for stuff like that in the next one
@Moskydeep4 жыл бұрын
Nice video man haha i have rigth now the tier 0 lightforge gear i dont have guild haha but i happy and lonely paladin , just waiting for the tier 0.1 is all i can get everyone hate me haha... Maby one day a get the Legendary Ashbringer, just fishing , hope one day get some respect whit that sword ..
@jwgold31594 жыл бұрын
Can you recommend BiS pvp gear for phase 3? For deep ret or reck/ret TY! (including mails and R13 gear)
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
Yeah dude, im working on that right now! Should be out on Tuesday im hoping!
@justinTime0774 жыл бұрын
you don't want his recommendation..
@Localpref4164 жыл бұрын
u dont know what u say lol
@dillonjay66054 жыл бұрын
IDK man I feel you have to have Eye for an eye. That talent is amazing against casters, especially frost mages.
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
With a decent amount of crit. Most casters should die pretty quickly. Most casters aren't stacking crit right now. But you can take it, between vindication and eye for eye. I would make the decision based on what you find harder to fight
@Kickapaladin4 жыл бұрын
The main issue for fighting casters is getting to them.
@justinTime0774 жыл бұрын
@@Kickapaladin thats EXACTLY why Eye for an Eye is SO much more useful than 1% parry LOL
@MrSuperEko5 жыл бұрын
You said agi increase AP and crit but it actually does not increase AP with melee weapons only the ranged one. So does it make str better? Nice guide anyway
@Kickapaladin5 жыл бұрын
Oh snap, I didn't realize i said that lol. So in order to utilize Vengeance procs more often you need agility. Agility is still number 1 prio for me. Thanks my man for the comment!
@Kickapaladin5 жыл бұрын
Without vengeance procs you lose alot of damage. Vengeance procs 100% of the time on every crit.