I am one of the Barry Lee students living in Australia. I know both Eric and Robert well.
@RobertVogelWingChun11 сағат бұрын
He Jerry, this is Bill Dowding who i mentioned in our podcast. He's a close student of Barry Lee and knows lots of (wild) stories too ✨ He has a great sense of humor also. Would love to see you guys do a podcast too if there's a chance for it 😉
@BoFaat23 күн бұрын
Onasis was always one I respected a bit more than others in the Hung gar circles
@BoFaat23 күн бұрын
We fight a lot in our Hung gar school.. Obviously Sanda is our best platform but we do regularly sparring with mma gloves just to to have less limitations...
@RobertVogelWingChunАй бұрын
The first 2 questions are already wrong. A good wing chun practitioner uses the power from the waist, with stepping and with punches. We don’t punch from the shoulders. I train my students against hook punches. The problem with most wing chun in the world is that, most wing chun schools have only trained for years within chi sau. In the early years and before that there were already free fights on rooftops or in parks with wing chun against other styles. Once wing chun became famous with the movies and also the ip man movies, suddenly everyone wanted to learn wing chun, it didn’t matter where they train it, and that was the problem, everyone with a little bit of wing chun knowledge began to train wing chun, even people who really haven’t fought or sparred much. Under my father who trained under a student of Wong Sheung Leung named Joseph Wang Kiu we trained wing chun already from 1974. In the mid 90’s we were trained by one of the best in wing chun Barry Lee. Ipman, wong Sheung Leung, Bruce Lee, and Barry Lee were fighters who were really trained in GOOD wing chun. And it’s true that a lot of schools didn’t spar or only spar wing chun against wing chun, problem with that is, IF you don’t hook punches in sparring then you will be surprised against a boxer, that is the biggest problem with a lot of wing chun schools, i don’t say every school, but a lot of schools. Also you have to train students next to wing chun how to hook punch someone. When i hear this guy speaking, all the things i hear is that he comes from a poorly wing chun school. Because a lot of things he says doesn’t comply with my wing chun or my masters i have met. Most of the power comes from our waist. Our punches come from the waist and elbow power. And a good wing chun fighter keeps the hand in front after a punch, because he can use it for a second time, or keep it there to punch for a second time or block for a second time. And sparring is a must against other styles with wing chun to adapt to other situations. Also be aware that only grappling is also not the key, I would not use it on the steet, only for the fact that another person or friend can stab or kick you to the head. Also one more thing, why is everything is compared by professional mma fighters? Mma fighters train every Day proffesional. It’s easy to say, that styl is shit because of this or that, and sure some styles are not as good as others in real sparring, but still, if you give 5 people tools to make a chair, every chair will be different or Ugly. I see, everything is relative, you can be taking down with grappling, or knocked out by a boxer. Also hearing this guy has be trained wing chun where they have secret techniques? That is already a BIG red flag and a bad wing chun school. To train to fight, is to train hard in it. The harder you train in any good styl, wing chun, karate, bjj, tae kwon do, and all other styles i missed, will be a tough opponent. This guy have cleatly trained by a BAD wing chun school. If he wants to read about GOOD wing chun, he has to read books from Bill Dowding a good student of Barry Lee. I must say, this is a good channel were everyone can speak there mind.
@FightCommentaryChatsАй бұрын
Let's do an interview soon!
@RobertVogelWingChunАй бұрын
@@FightCommentaryChats That's a great idea! How shall we talk further about this? Is via Instagram DM a good communication channel for you?
@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oeАй бұрын
So now he's beaten two mma fighters using classical wingchun.Where are all the bullshido self proclaimed experts who say it doesn't work?
@kressskizzАй бұрын
Thanx for these inside. Amazing🙌🏼. Greetings from Germany;-)
@RichardYu1983Ай бұрын
The best skit was with the DDS when he was doing the hip thrusts with the dick knife.
@Canada-q6y2 ай бұрын
Vancouver Hi 👋
@kungpowchickenwing3 ай бұрын
I have a reply/rebuttal to each one of the allegations made by Patrick. I come from a background of jiu-jitsu/karate/Judo and THEN I started looking into Wing Chun principles....and so I'm the "anti-Patrick". I also am different than Patrick because my experience with Wing Chun is more of an Analytical Overlay for my other martial arts base so I CERTAINLY have not drank the kool-aid of Wing Chun. I believe that Bruce Lee also departed from Wing Chun for the same reason that it seemed too closed to him. I actually agree with all the things that Patrick is saying but from what I can see, he spent 10 years in a TERRIBLE Wing Chun school and I feel bad for him and I'm glad he left. But I think that, almost like an abused child, he has no trust of his parents...or his original art. He's super disillusioned and you can see it in the almost caustic description of Wing Chun. Jerry, I would LOVE to have a chat with you about each of his 7 (or 8) fatal flaws of Wing Chun. Not to refute Patrick but rather to put his very legit criticisms into a better context.
@FightCommentaryChats2 ай бұрын
Sure! Let’s chat!
@abdullahibnrinibnpoat89153 ай бұрын
Laaa e laaha ill lal laaw ( There's no God but the God) blessing for you for telling the truth
@bernardosilvaklemas38653 ай бұрын
América is the continent, not the country south of Canada.
@ReDuVernay4 ай бұрын
I wish more folks talked about the de-escalatation aspects of self defense, and even the relationship red flags and body language warning signs. Everybody just wants to talk about fighting itself.
@FightCommentaryChats4 ай бұрын
Yep! And how to tactically de-escalate. That was one of the coolest parts of the conversation, in my opinion!
@JeffPhillipsSelfDefence4 ай бұрын
Can I stipulate no one got hurt in season1
@buecherleser26004 ай бұрын
Could you please elaborate on that?
@Alwaysgotafighterschance4 ай бұрын
Great interview I very much enjoyed it and can't wait for possible season 3. Have you asked if you can participate yourself or even just go to watch and do some commentary on each episode after they drop? I love your energy and your love for martial arts in general !
@FightCommentaryChats4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching. Do you play chess btw?
@JeffPhillipsSelfDefence4 ай бұрын
Sorry about my birds! Didn’t notice how noisy they are!
@FightCommentaryChats4 ай бұрын
How many birds do you have?
@JeffPhillipsSelfDefence4 ай бұрын
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@oakydoky92635 ай бұрын
So base on "your logic" of what you have been told, Bokator exist before Thai and Vietnam exist. Then Thai and Vietnam came and beating Khamar army using unknow fighting style, took their land and adapt to the fighting art of the loser? Yeah, sound legit to me
@nelsonglinton5 ай бұрын
Are you interested in having Rahmel Amen Rah Scott a.k.a "Mr.52" on to explain 52 blocks ,give you his philosophy of the true art of 52 blocks, and tell his stories of when he had to use the art to defend himself in the streets and in prison? What makes him unique is the fact that he is the most effective I've seen in sparring with "traditional" 52 blocks, also meaning that 52 blocks is his foundation and the main martial art that he uses.
@retroghidora67675 ай бұрын
Needing a legitimate black belt to compete is the right move.
@jasonkurtrix3575 ай бұрын
Shane Lacey, fight many challenger that come to his Father Kwoon. I heard, this lineage is Buk Sing Choy li Fut
@HimaxMild5 ай бұрын
lol claimbodia
@calicollingwood6 ай бұрын
Loved this video and the format, feels like a close friend telling me a story ! ❤️
@FightCommentaryChats6 ай бұрын
Good to hear. More to come!
@FightCommentaryChats6 ай бұрын
I might go find Tom in the future. Would be fun to see if he remembers this incident!
@RedSplinter366 ай бұрын
I absolutely love this... I'm a prior LEO and a current LEO firearms and DTAC isntructor... I also still coach and teach MMA... Adams analogies and examples are so spot on!!! The differences between sport, life/death/combatives, self expression, cultural learning... these are all different facets of the martial arts... each requiring their own dedication and thought. There is no one answer! I had a military and LEO instructor tell me that martial arts are what you do with someone, combatives are what you do to someone. This is an amazing interview! Keep up the good work brutha!!!
@FrankJeeves7 ай бұрын
Please come out with the savate video
@frostystreet_7 ай бұрын
Bro love this interview
@obiwanquixote84237 ай бұрын
Loved that O mentioned how all the famous taichi guys used to be fighters first. It’s like grad school for martial arts. You have to have the foundation
@obiwanquixote84237 ай бұрын
How did I miss this?
@FightCommentaryChats7 ай бұрын
Glad you found it!
@NeiJiaQuanBook7 ай бұрын
Awesome commentary! Huge respect for your accomplishments and down to earth attitude bro!
@OnassisParungao7 ай бұрын
Respect and thanks to Jerry Liu (hope i spelled your name correctly 😉).... I can't believe its the 1st time i got to view this?
@patrickmulcahy81237 ай бұрын
Don't know how through this whole video and you didn't mention me 😂😉
@FrankJeeves7 ай бұрын
Please make those savate vids with prof
@Mister-Six8 ай бұрын
Question for both you, Jerry, and Sifu Niko. I've been doing Tai Chi for a number of years. I've been lucky enough to find a school that trains the martial side of the Art, though freestyle sparring has been lacking. For my own practice, I want to branch out to both test myself and expand my knowledge/experience in the martial arts. Would you recommend that I stay with grappling? Or go with MMA (striking and grappling) like Zhang Weili? I have two gyms near me. One teaches MMA and the other teaches a mix of no-gi BJJ and catch wrestling.
@EvosBasics8 ай бұрын
“Don’t think style, think attribute “ love it!
@mr.mosquito93738 ай бұрын
Very cool!
@altermellion69848 ай бұрын
Savate fights, back in the days, stopped after a hit, because the shoes were weapons. Of course, during those matches, like during trainings, the shoes (called chausson) used were lighter, to prevent injuries. So a bit like kendo using bamboo swords instead of real blades, the fight stops after the first hit, because it meant one (or both) fighters were dead. Old boots weren't as deadly as a sword, but after being kicked in the shin, knee, leg, flanks or stomach, the chances of continuing the assault were kind of low. Especially when considering that throw downs were used. Like fencing with a sword or a cane, one would probably not continue after being pierced in the chest or having the skull cracked by a cane. Because modern savate competitions still use chausson, which causes no damage, they slowly drift from that logic, to make something more spectacular.
@SethWorsham8 ай бұрын
Paris is the man! 🤘🤘
@martialgeeks8 ай бұрын
🎉
@leplombier32728 ай бұрын
Saignac is nice but he really doesn't understand the history of Savate before it became a sport. It was the French army that trained the Japanese army during the Meiji period. This training included our military gymnastics methods with the practice of savate as a physical strengthening exercise. (it was at this time that Brunet wrote his legend which would become the film The Last Samurai) Karate didnt exist in japan at that time. Later funakoshi's son introduced the high kick during the second world war while he was training in the army. But the real influence of the savate will take place in the 60s/70s when karate will arrive in France with the wave of Asian martial arts movies. A French master (Roger Lafond) revolted against the post war self-hatred and the destruction of our tradition. It was at this moment that he invented the "panache", his own method of combat and inspired certain Japanese master by the fluidity of his movements (unlike katas). Some will even kneel in front of him as a sign of respect (information given by Roger Lafond's biographer, who is a friend) savate included wrestling (Greco-Roman being in fact French sporting wrestling). Just as current French boxing is a sporting form of something much more aggressive, French wrestling is also a softened practice of a violent technique. In his book Charlemont called it: Parisian wrestling. Savate was not only a street defense technique at that time, it was also a form of duel for people of low social statu (sword fighting being an aristocratic practice reserved for the bourgeoisie) the techniques used often came from populations who came to Paris (central France) from all over the country. The first masters like Michel Piseux assembled these techniques to make a coherent whole. It must be remembered that at the time a significant part of the population still wore clogs (wooden shoes) it is therefore normal that we have developed this type of shoe kick technique (weapon on the foot) Like wrestling and military gymnastics, the cane is much older than savate. The cane and staff were the weapons of pilgrims and shepherds but also of the "companions", workers' corporations. and in living memory we can say that it has always been used (the oldest discovered is 300,000 years old). Unlike the savate, we find traces of the "batonist" who were particularly feared before the revolution.
@craigg98848 ай бұрын
Hey leplombier, Nicolas did a good job 'touching' on 'certain' aspects of Savate history . The interview was focusing on the personal background and development of Nicolas Saignac career in Savate - French boxing and not an in-depth history of Savate.
@leplombier32728 ай бұрын
@@craigg9884 the exchange was very pleasant to listen to. my problem is not Nicolas in particular but the boomers who brought our martial arts (wrestling, French fencing, savate and cane) to where they are: on the verge of disappearance. understand that there is an urgency to talk about these subjects because the way things are going, in a few decades, everything will have disappeared. His generation continues its work of destruction. and those with whom I discuss it laugh in my face, explaining to me that it's evolution... that we have to live with the times... so for example the royal fencing academy does not the promotion of cane fencing... but of the Star Wars lightsaber to "attract young people"
@leplombier32728 ай бұрын
@@craigg9884 the question is to know for how much longer, people like me will have to continue to remain politely silent so as not to offend former boxing champions and sports federation leaders who, for the majority of them, spent their entir careers despiting and mocking the old forms of training and assault designed to transmit this martial art in an authentic but secure version. if we were in Asia the question would not even arise.
@savateonline4 ай бұрын
Salut leplombier, merci de tes commentaires, n'hesites pas a referencer des ouvrages et leurs auteurs. Je me chargerai de transmettre les infos.
@savateonline4 ай бұрын
@@craigg9884 merci
@fvasquezsan8 ай бұрын
Excelent!
@a.i.winters5109 ай бұрын
Great interview and an amazing teacher!
@EliteBlackSash9 ай бұрын
I think the best possible interview after this would be the teacher David Ross from Lama Pai / New York San Da. I think he actually Has trained pros.
@EliteBlackSash9 ай бұрын
The channel is down?! 😫 Lol, The Karate “Master” challenging Novell, is PEAK internet lol. The best fight promo I have ever seen. “What iiiis this KungFoolery?!?!” 🤣😂 he was like the final boss after Sho Nuff. And then he didn’t show up 😂😂😂😂 Legendary
@klazaro9 ай бұрын
Nice Jerry, you're doing it! For you consideration I think the absolute master of push hands actually is Master Chen Ziqiang, he is simple awesome. salutes!
@anthonydavis20159 ай бұрын
That’s my guy!!!!! Best coach I know. Love you coach Paris!!!!!
@Born2BFly9 ай бұрын
I’ve known Paris since he was a tyke…I used to babysit him, 😂. His story is nothing short of inspirational. Listen to your inner voice and always stay authentic to yourself is the take away. It’s really hard to do that in a place like Los Angeles. It takes a strong mind and strong character to remain true to oneself. Great interview ❤
@fredcerrato76029 ай бұрын
Great stuff guys… Coach Paris my fellow BJJ Black Belt got sick skills!!! Very well rounded athlete and martial artist.