i recommend looking at some mango gameplay

Hugely helpful, there's several things in here and the pinned comment I had no idea about, thank you for making this!

Just what i needed

As a zetter / forsburn main, he generally feels like the fox of the spacies. Fox's lasers forces the enemy to push you, this corrilates well with forsburn's smoke / clones, as often times when you smoke the entire stage, the enemy starts to feel clostriphobic and just throws random attacks leaving them open, this convinces them to play more aggressively against forsburn, giving him easy opportunities for nair, dair, and bair really well because their disjointed, and reward him when he's running away, and bair does alot of damage. Zetter burn's laser often stop's enemies from moving, and allows him to do offensive mix ups with feints and empty shines to leave the opponete open and basically punish with his heavy hitter attacks, such as dair and fair.

4:02 Even with the sound effect, I was completely bamboozled which one was the real Forsburn coming back to the stage

Great guide! It’s very sad to me that the super clone dies to anything, makes it much harder to justify One thing I didn’t fully understand was how while grounded onstage, you sent the clone offstage. Was that also by holding special like you do to delay the jump?

Incredible guide

Needed this. I mostly just assumed there was black magic fuckery going on whenever he went in the smoke

1 more thing probably everyone knows u can choose which clone u spawn as with both the getup specials if u hold left or right :3

One more thing that was missed! Using the empowered neutral B refreshes your double-jump, allowing for better recovery options.

Bruh no workshop no purchase

Most of his buffs in the launch patch were to make his moves more effective, but one thing of note is that his side special no longer makes a noise when used behind smoke, making it easier to be tricky with.

Can you these breakdowns with all the characters? Great video!

strong than in rivals 1

Wow, this character has a lot of hidden sauce

6:05 I don't really think it's a bug. It might be the attack that killed the clone that also makes the smoke disappear as soon as it comes out of it. So unless it's a super clone this mechanic is pretty useless.

It would be nice for the super clone to take 2 hits

Really cool guide! What would make it even better is if you added chapters to the video, so it's easier to come back and watch whatever part without having to dig through :)

Im a little late, but the Super Clone attacks are not random, its related to the closest cardinal position of it compared to the opponent: under = up - air above = d - air so on and so forth

Fantastic guide, thank you! How strong do you think Forsburn is in Rivals 2? What are his pros/cons compared to Rivals 1?

Edgy hyena boi has some sauce

Detonating the clone as an edge guard was something I did not think of. Really cool application

the camera following you around as you move in smoke tells your opp where you are!!!!

Here is a list of everything I missed and/or I was wrong: - His Down Special is Consume, it doesn't do anything by itself, but when inside a smoke cloud Forsburn consumes it. (This information is obvious from watching the video but I never explicitly explained it) - There is a limited amount of smoke clouds you can fill on screen. It's roughly 2 full smoke spews from his neutral special. Any smoke cloud created afterwards will make the first smoke clouds produced progressively disappear. - The camera might follow you and your clone while you're inside the smoke. This might sound terrible for Forsburn but, in practice, it's hard (if not outright impossible) for the opponent to use this information against you since the camera also follows them, it follows both the real Forsburn and the clone and because of how fast paced the game is in general making it hard to pay extra attention to the camera movements. - 2:37 You also become visible in the smoke when you crouch, grab, shield, spotdodge, parry and roll. You stay invisible if you airdodge which, by extension, includes wavedashing. - Doing a ledge getup special while the clone is out, will make the clone disappear. - 2:53 Side Special will no longer play a sound when used behind smoke. This was a bug and it was fixed in the launch patch of the game. - Your Super Clone disappears when you do a getup special. This doesn't happen with the regular clone because you either need to get hit to fall to the ground (the clone disappears when you get hit) or you need to force a tumble state by pressing taunt in the air (which will make the clone disappear as soon as you touch the ground). - Fully charged neutral special restores your double jump. (Thanks to @Caveman_XD for reminding me of this) - 12:40 While it is true that you can't decide on your super clone's attack when pressing the special button, the attacks that the clone does aren't random. It depends on the clone's position towards the opponent as well as if the clone is running, walking or in the air. Borrowing @xdCloudxd1996 wording, "it's related to the closest cardinal position of it compared to the opponent". This means that if: The clone is on the ground and sees the opponent in front of him, it will attack with a Dash Attack or Foward Tilt (DA = the opponent is a bit far way where FTilt doesn't reach, clone is in its initial dash frames where it's not able to FTilt, the opponent is diagonally above the clone; FTilt = Close to the opponent, when clone is walking, in the end of the initial dash animation and it's close to the opponent); Clone on the ground and opponent above = UTilt; Clone in the air and opponent above = UAir; Clone in the air and opponent in front of it = Fair; Clone in the air and the opponent behind it = Bair; Clone in the air and the opponent below it = Dair. The Super Clone could attack with Dtilt and Nair in the Rivals 1 but I wasn't able to trigger either of those in this game. - Super Decoy's detonation is stronger than the regular one.

Great guide commenting for the algorithm

Most important thing, when you create a superclone, you can have them attack by pressing "Neutral B". Ice Climbers combos galore.

very useful guide!

Btw, when you use neutral special while fully charged you get your double jump back even if you've used it :^)

based and clone-pilled

Incredibly based.

I hope this blows up because you did a really good job with this guide!

i haven't been able to figure out how to get the 2nd hit on forsburn's strong attacks, like the one at 16:27

Wow, I've been Rivals on and off (mostly offline with friends spread months apart, never an online warrior) for years, ever since Etalus was added to RoA 1, and never knew you could hold special to make the clone not jump! That is actually crazy useful tech to know now... really appreciate the video dude!

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I wish forsburn could actually tauntwalk like that. Id love to style upon opponents with it

Sick

Did you guys noticed that foresburn is sort of a puppet archetype caracter ?

Incredible stuff Can't believe it was less than a year ago that forest floor was an abomination

This video is so underrated dude

Holy shit i love it

Furry Marth is sick

Bro what, i didn't know you played Clairen, she's so sick too am I deaf or blind?

come back u coward

The teaser at the end how epic

etalus is a furry, confirmed

Playing for the style is the true way to play this game.

got DAMN, man your playstyle and music choice are top of the notch, i gotta play ya again some time soon but seeing how far you've progressed you'll prolly destroy me lol 👌

Teach me your ways

truly amazing, I'm in love

Nice