@@blueguitarstudio3522 thanks!!

Interesting. Yeah I was watching the video from EQD where they talked about how their clone of the original Park Fuzz removes a resistor to increase the output level. And that makes me wonder -- wow, if this pedal is as quiet as it is, the original must be very quiet! So I guess JHS and Keeley must have both done mods that dramatically increase output level.

@@Bob.Silverstein for one, only Park Fuzz is all Germanium transistor. JHS is silicon mad Keeley is hybrid. By nature, silicon transistors has like twice to three time the outut level of Germanium. So JHS should be loudest (what it seems it is). Also it should be "raspier" by nature, what surprised me, JHS has the least topend (compareing to Park, where thr sweep of the Tone controll is WILD). Everything might change, if you run then into breaking up amp 👍

@@stanislavmigra today i was running the fuzz pedals into this crazy amp that i bought on craigslist and rebuilt during COVID. it was a Univox U45B branded as "Realistic" in a gigantic 1 x 12 vertical rectangular cabinet that smelled like it had been immersed in Axe Body Spray for 30 years. It was also not working properly. I removed the head from the cab and resold the cabinet, and built it into a custom small head. Then I ended up replacing virtually every single component on its horrible circuit board, repairing a hum problem, and fixing the broken tremolo (docs.google.com/presentation/d/1_tGC2oTJN6eAGBDhKmIYQCoRgFiAdH8DHBMj9YDeWnc/edit?usp=sharing if you're curious to see the crazy circuit). I run it into a 2 x 8" cabinet that I built, and it has shocking amounts of low-end and high-end. The amp sounds like the clean tones from an old Marshall, extremely sparkly with a very tight bottom, although it doesn't really break up that much unless you dime it. Anyway... my point was... the fuzz pedals sound great into that amp. I am probably going to record a video to showcase that amp's capabilities at some point. It's an extremely bizarre circuit topology, as well, where the power tubes are actually hybrid tubes that are half preamp, half power amp (6BM8). They run hot.

@@stanislavmigra Also -- thanks for that info about output of Si versus Ge. I did not know that. I had thought they were comparable aside from tonal characteristics and stability. Very interesting.

Thanks! Yeah - I am unsure if I will ever put myself through that again. The worst part was honestly needing to unscrew and reinstall all those speakers into the same cabinet. Very tedious. Not to mention the fact that it was loud, and caused my wife to want to murder me.

I agree with you here. For live performances, perhaps finding a speaker that sounds the way you want is more important. But for studio it's less important. Furthermore if you're using overdrive you can tweak that or use a different pedal to counteract the tone differences between two speakers. I do think there are some fundamental differences between how a typical alnico speaker sounds and a ceramic, that might take a lot of tweaking to match in EQ alone. But within a speaker architecture (say, all alnico) it's probably the case that you can match it with a few EQ adjustments.

I tested what I bought. There are a lot of things missing. Also, a teaser title like "the best speaker" is always more about getting clicks than absolute truth. I would be interested what you thought about what I did test though.

@@Bob.Silverstein I feel the Jensens are always a good bet! Your test was informative and you presented us with fair examples . The celestion was darker which I was expected more mids less highs same with weber .

i didn't learn until after recording the video that it should be pronounced that way, but you are correct -- i have now heard several other youtubers say it that way :)

Thanks for commenting and listening. Yes I think everyone's had a different favorite here. That's the beauty of audio. Completely subjective :) I am afraid to ask myself if how I mic'd this had a major effect on the outcome ;)

Yeah I wonder how much different the 100 is versus the 40. One would think that a Tweed Deluxe being only 15W should not really be hitting either of them too hard. Unless it's voiced differently.

Yeah I can't remember why I didn't go for the super aggressive sound. I have another video where I did some speaker tests with my Trinity amp, and had heavier tracks with the les paul over there.

Thanks! I am thinking of making some more videos, this time a little more engaging than just a screen capture :)

Because I wanted to :) But in fairness, a really good kit for a vintage style eyelet board design with good components should perform the same as a Fender reissue. I did make a point to generically refer to Tweed Deluxe in the title versus Fender Tweed Deluxe. And I didn't say 5E3 because non technical people may not have searched for that or been familiar.

Thanks for the comment. Let me know if you're interested in that Stealth 65. I've had it sitting new since the test and have original Jensen speaker boxes I can ship in :)

Thanks very much. It was a laborious task, and I have not done many of these videos. I do want to create a few more, though likely I will focus on other things like showcasing certain amp, pedal, or guitar tones. Anything to avoid screwing and unscrewing speakers 50 times!!

The way the good attenuators are designed is such that the impedance seen by the amp looks like a regular load. So even as you begin shunting signal away from the speaker it shouldn't create an impedance mismatch.

I think the neodymium do a good job of being "bell like" on clean tones, but breaking up smoothly. Sort of a best of both worlds. And 5E3 players are probably looking for that.

Given that this one is a 100W speaker it should have absolutely no problem in just about any guitar amp. Especially vintage circuits. As for how it would sound it really depends. I can't predict. The only thing I can say is that it sounded good with a couple of different amps I own. But for my Mesa Boogie Maverick, an EL84 design (more Marshall like) I preferred a ceramic speaker -- the WGS Invader. It's all very subjective. I've had people say they liked my least favorite speaker in this particular shoot out. That's the beauty of audio :)

Yeah the strange thing is the Weber was what I put in when I built the amp and I was never unhappy with it. It's only in comparison to other speakers that I decided I wasn't a big fan. So perhaps options are a bad thing? :)

​@@Bob.Silverstein Yeah, that's the way it goes. 😄

Good point! I've got one in another amp I built. The master volume on this amp is pretty useful but I actually like the tone better with the attenuator since the master volume prevents the amp from saturating the same way, given that it's taking signal away from the 6V6 stage.

@@Bob.Silverstein Sure,a matter of preference.I'd dovetail something I discovered and that's master volumes often take criticism (I was that way once) but I found with my AC30CC it allowed me to control the amount of power section compression & looseness from spongey ghost-noting squash to a tigher Marshally type tone.FE at 5 the amp did not get louder,just more squashed.I wanted some compression/sag but not Neil Young level...not all the time anyway.Yeah,all forms of volume reduction offer different tone dynamics.

yeah - if i had more time and patience i would have tested even more speakers :) as it is, my wife wanted to murder me while i was making these recordings!

Thank you for the message. That's honestly the best thing I've heard all day :) and I definitely think those speakers are great choices. Another one I like that I bought later is the WGS Invader. I exchanged the reaper for that, and was much happier with the replacement.

Thank you for the comment! Yeah I do love Alnico especially on clean tones. It's only when going for very crunchy things that ceramic seems much smoother to me. And this is another way in which the neodymium magnets are a good tonal compromise.

that's cool! i am glad you liked those. as you saw, i came to a different conclusion, which is what the value is of these type of tests - provides people with the information they need to make their own choices. reading a forum or a blog post that tells you how good a speaker sounds doesn't really tell you if you're gonna like it for yourself :) thanks for listening and commenting.

Yes it's great. I still need to repeat this with another amp, since the Tweed Deluxe is a pretty specific tone. I might do it with my Mesa Boogie Maverick because it's got two very different channels, both with distinct overdrive sound, and I suspect each channel will sound better with a different speaker.

@@Bob.Silverstein Of course : some speakers are pretty good at low distortion but become just bad with modern high gain tone and vice et versa. More, most amplifiers are designed to match a specific speaker,. So, an ALNICO blackbird with a Fender tweed is a safe bet. I won't say the same with the Mesa. Or maybe, in the same territory. But even when they do some clone of 65, it's a Mesa, the sound is beautifull, but it's never the mellowness of the Fender.

It's not in the conservation area! :) It's just adjacent to it. Renamed video accordingly.

I returned it and got a WGS Invader instead, which actually suited my tastes much better. At the moment, I'm using it in my Mesa Boogie Maverick 1 x 12, and it's a solid replacement for the Vintage 30 that was in there before.

Actually I would say it's more of a "me problem" :) I don't play much of that style so I focused more on the range of rock tones. For sure you can get very clean and warm tones from the amp. I would probably put a 6L6 in it for the cleanest tone and just keep all the boosts in the lower gain settings.

Well, to be fair, if I published a video more often than 1x/year I would have more subscribers :) but I haven't been very motivated to keep going down this avenue with my free time. Plus the amount of noise I generated to make this video almost made my wife kill me, so there's a tradeoff to be considered.

@@Bob.Silverstein I was just discussing this with my wife how all of the talented folk are too busy working to do stuff like this. Such is life

a couple of the speakers i tested (weber and blackbird) were both aiming at copying vintage designs. but i agree with you in general.

@@Bob.Silverstein they too have a lot of bass and highs, old ones even with modern guitars sound smooth

What were your favorites?

Thanks! Now I just need to find time to do more, and maybe include myself in the video instead of a PowerPoint slide show! ;)

I don't have all those but I could do it with a couple of other amp designs :)

At quiet volumes, these speakers all do well. In fact, from some other videos I've watched about speaker evaluation, I think the only point at which the speaker performance will change *not* because of the amplifier signal would be if you are hitting it SO hard that you're stressing the cone. As I mentioned, my Vintage 30 actually over 30 years old, so it was already darker/mellower from having been gigged at high volumes and aging. But if you get a particular tone on an amp with master volume or output level (not a Tweed Deluxe), so that you can adjust volume without changing the amplifier characteristics, the tone should be good even at bedroom levels for all of these.

Considering that anything alnico is out of the equation and also anything Jensen, and you don't rate the Reaper or Vintage 30, what would you recommend in my case Bob, how would you rate a Celestion Greenback for example, a staple for Marshall amps though less popular for Fender, mind you, the 5e3 isn't typical Fender as we know it today, so perhaps a greenback might be in keeping with the sound and the era, or something else?

I randomized the order for listening so that we are not always listening to the same ones in the same order. This is necessary to have an unbiased comparison. Perhaps I shouldn't have put numbers next to them in the intro section.

Yeah - the most interesting thing to me was how much less I liked the *famous* Weber 12A125 after hearing the Blackbird. I kind of wish I also the P12R in the mix, since I know what that speaker sounds like in a 10" but don't own the 12" -- wonder if I would think the Blackbird is better?

@@Bob.Silverstein I just ordered a couple of 1x12 cabs to make a ciool little stereo setup with my VHT Special 6 combos (with 10" Blackbird 40) and I am tempted to order a couple of 12" Blackbird 40 but I have a couple of Greenbacks and I want to hear what they sound like before ordering Blackbirds

Thank you. I will check that out!!