i could be wrong, but maybe that's durge? it feels very bhaalspawn-y to say 😂

His "Oh yes..yeahgoodforyou" absolutely destroys me 😂

You have to play as her in a multiplayer campaign to get those lines. Origin Karlach romanced Spawn, who begged her to go to Avernus together. Player 2 can then talk to Astarion about it at the epilogue party :)

If you play as Karlach and romance Astarion, he'll beg for you to go with him. Most of Karlach's LI's (depending on their path) will volunteer to go. If you're playing as anyone else, Wyll is the only companion that can go with her

@HyperspaceTowel thank you!!!!

1. Date him and one other person 2. Lock in his romance first, then end things with the other companion when they confront you 3. Talk to Astarion and he'll be surprised you chose him over someone else

Mystra is a neutral goddess. Her only concern is the weave. She isn't one of the good guys

And the same for Jergal, I mean, Withers. He only cares about the balance of life and death. Mind flayers are perversions that don't have souls. Too many flayers means the balance is off. That's why he continues to revive us, for a price.

It's almost like Mystra is an ass or something.

@@PirvateerKurei Ture, I agree. Never encountered anything related to Jergal in my 2 decades of playing pen and paper D&D, I guess my dungeon masters never had a need for him! But from what I know, Jergal was the combined aspects of the Dead Three, and even though he's neutral, he seems to do things that are considered morally good, and maybe some things that are considered morallly evil. Like, he revived Durge after he refuses to embrace Bhaal. If Karlach dies, he tries to resurrect her but Karlach refuses to go. He's an interesting dude

Gods can't meddle in the mortal realm. I thought Mystra was shitty until we see Selen doesn't do anything when her daughter was imprisoned and use as a source of immortality either.

Was it broken?? I've gotten the "ceiling" line every time this scene took place in a cave :0

In the early days of the game’s release he used to give the stars line even if the camp was in a cave.

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Yep, he has to not have a deal with Raphael when you take Yurgir down. Otherwise he says, "Does that count as killing him??? That had BETTER count"

You have to not know that he’s a vampire. Then, once you get to the Underdark, he’ll reveal to you that he is. It seems like this is a variation, though. You may either have to be Shadowheart, or at least had the initial romance scene with him to get “The occasional night of passion aside” line, but I’m not sure.

@@MarinaCorbi You don't have to be Shadowheart. Anyone who sleeps with him and then enters the Underdark before learning he's a vampire gets these lines

Karlach helped you resist your urges before (otherwise she won't speak in this scene). And if she did, she witnessed you resist once (and you're likely partnered with her), so she is holding out hope 😢

You're underestimating the size of the brain maybe

@@Tlex98 Still, it doesn't look nearly big enough to level *all of waterdeep* - but it definitely would have been a major catastrophe, like a nuke going off (minus the radiation).

@@Tlex98 Why would it matter how big the brain is? It’ll get enveloped by the explosion, as should the rest of the city.

The city Waterdeep is pretty small compared to the size of Baldur’s gate So yeah he could level Waterdeep I have maps lol

@ Extremely doubtful, given that Waterdeep had a population of about 2 million and Baldur’s Gate has a measly 125k. I’ve had a look at the maps. I’m unconvinced.

Mystra doesn't bring NPC Gale back if he blows himself up

@HyperspaceTowel Oh, so she can (and will) magically transmogrify him back to his human form from a soulless illithid, and immortalize him, if he defeats the brain and relinquishes power, but if he honors her request to redeem himself by saving the world & keeping the gods safe (by blowing himself up with the netherese orb), he's fuxxored ? Screw that biatch ... thats why I picked the God of Ambition Gale outcome.

I've never tried it, but I've heard others say that they've gotten the achievement this way. I believe them because: 1. You don't get a TPK here like you do if you trigger the orb manually earlier in the game 2. You get the full happy ending cutscene, so clearly you've completed the game 3. When you talk to Gale at the brain stem and tell him NOT to use the orb, he literally says, "Lead on, then. I shall stay my hand as long as I can - but if the tide of battle turns against us, remember I have the means to bring a swift end to this." IMO this is the game telling you that if everything goes to shit, the orb is still an option.

i appreciate the option, unique challenge runners get an easy way out if it gets impossible.

no don't do it this way in honour mode. To get the golden dice and the achievement you have to go finish the epilogue party and talk to Withers for it to count. in this scenario in the video, everyone is dead and there is no party. If you want to skip the fight, you have to talk to Gale and convince him before climbing the brain stem. That way, he will teleport the rest of you to safety and only he will climb the brain stem. You still get the epilogue party then, with Gales projection to leave you a goodbye message. You can get the dice then by talking to Withers

@@phoenixkh93 Talking to Withers at the party isn't required for the achievement. Rolling credits at the end of act 3 is. Otherwise you'd never get the achievement nuking the brain as Origin Gale, by dominating the brain, by committing suicide on the docks, etc. I agree that it's better to just have Gale do it via dialogue if all you want is the dice. BUT if you decide to fight the brain anyway, might as well take it down with you if you're about to TPK

@@HyperspaceTowel are you absolutely (lol) sure? I've seen quite a few posts of people losing out on the achievement by detonating the orb using the hot bar. idk if I can post links but there's a post on r/BaldursGate3 called 'PSA: Honour Mode + Gale + Orb = Nothing' and several others I've seen of people being disappointed by using the cutscene trigger and not getting the achievement

What is the thing they have in common? They were all at one point slave to a "god". 2 of them willingly into adulthood and 1 of them tortured to the point they wanted to become one!

The trigger atm is the party knowing that Gale is a ticking time bomb

I haven't played DOS but I agree. Especially if you have low approval, I would have liked to see MORE consequences from companions if you decide to become the Chosen of the insane god of murder.

@@HyperspaceTowel SPOILERS FOR D:OS2 There is a portion in D:OS2 where you need to race to the certain thing... And, at the moment, your whole party leaves you. And you need, in BG3 terms, either to succeed in a check to persuade them to return to your party and support you or to have high enough approval. If you don't, they will face off against you, trying to acquire the "certain thing." Ah, also there are other party members that would always fight you there, no matter what, because they would oppose you at that moment in the story because of some choice you made in Act 1.

About companions and gear - on the fourth play thought as Durge I have changed Jaheira to a wizard with 8 int, gave her crappy stick and heavy armor so she wouldn't be able to cast lamest spells I choose for her, to fight her at her weakest. But the game made me fight Jaheira 12 lvl Druid with her vanilla weapons and armor. So the game could have just made every companion their canon class but lvl 12.

Nope, you just click the orb during combat. No persuasion because you already agreed at the brain stem that this would be the last resort.

there was alot of hidden rolls happening during that though, what, was it con save throws to stop astarion from soiling himself or something?

@@Ed_man_talking9Astarion isn’t a spineless coward.

Platonic Spawn Astarion and romanced Selune Shadowheart's reactions to Durge taking over are especially gut-wrenching

Wow, crazy. Was it an honor mode run though?

@@Mithcoriel sounds like it or you can do custom with a single save file

Oh wow. That's a wild ride. I think the companions that stick with you DO hope there's some good in you still (if you look at their reactions when you DO dominate the brain for Bhaal). It's just that Wyll wants no part in this "ends justify the means" approach, so he leaves :\

@@Mithcoriel Yes. It was before custom mode allowed honor mode mechanics. I play custom mode now to avoid such scenarios.

@@HyperspaceTowel The game isn't really built to handle a good aligned chosen of bhaal. Realistically I think I could of convinced jahiera of my intent given the first thing I did with the slayer form was destroy all the cultists. As for Wyll, I actually like his romance path and actually like him as a character even if that goes against popular opinion. Given my IRL background I very much enjoy the princess treatment. This fondness amuses me considering I find him the second scariest companion after minthara. A kind and righteous man, he scares me because of how he initially treated karlach. I know what it is like for kind people to see you as a monster just because they have been manipulated. I feel drawn to him given that I want to make sure he does not make such errors again. I will not pretend his betrayal stung but a part of me can't blame him. I just wish he did not abandon me.

Yep, whoever leaves you joins Jaheira and Minsc in fighting you.

actualy she leaves you right before it happens. i was wondering where she went after i took down orin. she' just waits right outside for an ambush.

If you have them in the party, immediately after claiming your inheritance you get some lines from them (IIRC Minsc says "that's not our friend anymore, Boo"). They both leave the party and you get their backpacks. When you walk out of the temple, they're waiting for you.

For Halsin it completely skips where his dialogue would be. No disapproval gained. He doesn’t have much to say until ya get back to camp

@@nathanieljefferies5491 having an ideal and sticking to it isn’t “boring”. Just because someone is different than you doesn’t mean they have zero depth. He literally admit that he will mourn durge, but letting an embrace!bhaalspawn alive is a super risky move so he had to do what must be done

@@bimbiman8495 Honestly true. Media literacy is lost on these people lmao

Wyll's reaction is totally in character. You've embraced pure evil, there is nothing good about Bhaal at all. He shows nuance in saying that he will mourn who you were, but he can't stand by and let Durge continue any more. If anything, having him make such a strong moral stand on this by not siding with you regardless of approval is showing the depth of his character. You don't get to worm your way out of this one, you made your bed now lie in it.

All your arguments to defend Wyll’s blandness as a character is that he is a hero. Do you people even understand what “depth” means? smh. Fact is, in terms of character development, Wyll is still dead last.

@@nathanieljefferies5491 look dude, I won’t lie and say that his writing is 10/10. Larian def did him dirty sine they run out of time when rewriting him (just the fact that astarion has 12 hours of dialogue and content, while wyll only has 7 hours really shows it). But saying he has no depth is just plain wrong. Wyll (and karlach to some degree) is relatively more of a static character archetype compared to the rest, and there’s nothing wrong with that. He’s the “influence others” type rather than “deal with personal flaws” type like gale, or astarion. Not every character has to deal with grey morality. His depth comes from the fact that he stays strong and stick to his moral despite all the abuse mizora put him through. He refuse to kill karlach, he feels ashamed of his devilish appearance. He does feel some sort of regret and sadness over having to be a warlock the way he does. If you play as resist durge (doesn’t have to be fully goodie two shoes either), he understand your struggle and encourage you to be like gorion’s ward. He’s pragmatic enough to know that eating the tadpole is useful. Do I wish wyll is angrier and less forgiving towards his father? Yes. Do I wish he chose to break the contract himself in act 3? Also yes. But unfortunately Larian won’t give us that because their favorite child is astarion. Oh, sorry, getting a tad too salty there. What I meant is changing voiced quest is difficult so they probably don’t want to do that. (I mean, even when they don’t, each patch seem to break wyll’s quest 😞)

Karlach is quick to turn on the player in chapter 1. Doesn't take much at all. It is surprising to me that she would go against her own ideals here. She will turn on a non-Durge player over a lot less (a course of action resulting in the grove getting raided). Lae'zel's reaction is surprising. Rest as expected.

@ mm, i think that’s probably because she has spend a lot of time with us (as it took quite a while until we reach act 3), and we know karlach is the loyal type. The only time she went against us is during the raid grove, and even then she will still defend you against the druid before leaving. Speaking of, I am now curious about her reaction if evil tav let marcus kidnapped isobel. I only know her reaction towards durge, as I haven’t play a tav 😅 *idk if raiding the grove can be considered as “not much” though.

@@velinas_ does she leave you if accidentally unalive Wyll at the mind flayer colony in act 2? When you’re “rescuing” mizora?

​@@velinas_actually its not the grove that triggers her hatred, its just that 1 blacksmith in the grove that's necessary for her questline, if he's gone for any reason she blames you.

@@Awzn123 No, but she's very upset over it

I just had this scene while romancing Halsin. He didn’t have anything to say about Jaheria and Minsc specifically, it just kinda skipped where he would’ve talked. I also didn’t gain any disapproval. I felt horrible having him help me fight Jaheria, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do

They have it themselves if they manage to pry it from your cold dead body. It's not like they're leaving.

First off, the whole idea that leaving means an instant death sentence is a common misconception. The Absolute's reach isn't infinite. The Camp is supposed to be far away enough from the cult to be safe from its projection. Multiple times, you can tell tadpoled characters like the Duke or the Exile to "meet you at camp." Shadowheart is also left alone without the artifact if you cross an Act 1 checkpoint without her in your party. None of them transform by doing so. Secondly, Minsc may be tadpoled, but Jaheira is not.

They would just take it off Durges corpse

​@@Lardo137 i think it's more game mechanic purpose. Otherwise you have to do escort mission for those NPCs 😂 But narrative wise, the threat of falling into mind control is there. I mean, if the cultist in the city is still under control when the brain is at moonrise tower, then imo the influence reach is pretty far. Now that in act 3 the brain is at the city itself, they will be mind controlled if they leave.

@@bimbiman8495 Exactly, Minsc was recruited only thanks to the emperor extending protection, he's surprisingly silent in all of this. I mean I know he doesn't give two shits about you but feels like losing the "leader" he worked so hard to manipulate would be a big deal for him.