Excellent video. Quite agree about different types of backs. I play an Ozark 2243e. I'm not the slimmest person so if I hold tight against my body or move it away there is definitely a difference, so this means to me that the back must be vibrating to quite an extent.
@CruelFolk2 ай бұрын
Yes, I'm also aware of the movement of the back with these things. There seems to be a lot of debate among makers about how important the back/body are, but it seems obvious to me that they make a big difference.
@neilcorbett50573 ай бұрын
Presumably the Sobell, being new, is not properly played in. It might sound much better in a year or two.
@CruelFolk3 ай бұрын
Indeed, and in fact I was planning to make another video in a couple of years time to try to illustrate the difference - same gear, same setup, just try to record any modification to the sound.
@peteyoung97553 ай бұрын
Excellent video. I enjoyed this and Part 1 very much. I have a slight preference for the Sobell, it seems to have a slightly keener edge which would cut through in a session, but there is very little in it. You can get individual wound strings from Eagle Music. They go down to a 16 gauge, nickel or phosphor bronze, loop or ball end. If you fancy doing a part 3 I'd really like to hear a comparison between the two 12-string instruments on your web site. For Part 4, I'm not far from you and have a Jimmy Moon 10string, a Paul Doyle custom from 1979 and a Gazouki (or Bizarre?) made by Andy Rogers.
@Srtw1634 ай бұрын
Helo Do you know any irish bouzuoki makers Im looking that Where could i find and get irish bouzuoki?? How could i check out i dont know the any ideas , please if you know irish bouzuoki instrument makers or any website , social accounts ID. i will definitely check it out
@CruelFolk3 ай бұрын
Are you asking for someone who's actually Irish? The top guy there would probably be Joe Foley, although you might also want to check out Justin Rogers. Another good maker outside Ireland is N. K. Forster.
@Srtw1633 ай бұрын
Yes I'm Thanks mean lots
@castleofsong9620Ай бұрын
As could be expected there are quite a few great independent instrument makers in Ireland. As a native Irish person who keeps somewhat on top of the scene I would say the best regarded Irish Bouzouki makers at this current time would probably be Frank Tate, Ciaran McNally and O’Rainne instruments. All three produce instruments of exceptional quality and tonal characteristics.
@ceeg05 ай бұрын
Thank you! I am in the market for a luthier-built bouzouki right now and the lack of high quality recordings was making the process infuriating. Interested to hear if you’ve had the chance to play any of Paul Shippey’s.
@Srtw1634 ай бұрын
Helo Do you know any best irish bouzuoki maker Im looking for this i want to buy .if you have then please drop here Social ID links
@ceeg04 ай бұрын
@@Srtw163 He goes through a few in the video. It depends what you want: for a pre built and relatively low cost instrument made in China you could go with Trinity College or similar. Eastman is a level above, and above that I would say it depends on your location, but you may consider from the UK Fylde, Oddy or similar. Again, he goes through many in this video which is why it’s helpful.
@Srtw1634 ай бұрын
Not yet , but yeah can go But do you know the ne of any irish bouzuoki maker ? Maker name so that's could contact with him.
@CruelFolk3 ай бұрын
Are you asking for someone who's actually Irish? The top guy there would probably be Joe Foley, although you might also want to check out Justin Rogers. Another good maker outside Ireland is N. K. Forster.
@CruelFolk3 ай бұрын
Some of these guys, Foley in particular, may not have social IDs, but most of them have web sites that are easy to find.
@gabithemagyar6 ай бұрын
Lovely instruments ! I think the Oddy tenor guitar may sound better (less buzzy) if tuned to the traditional C-G-D-A.
@CruelFolk3 ай бұрын
Yes, I'm still experimenting with the string gauges on the tenor guitar. I may revert to CGDG at some point - I'll see how it goes.
@cliffsandifer38777 ай бұрын
I have Foley Bouzouki I got 1998 , I've had to repair some but still good ..I've only seen 3 in America. I assume Mr Foley still alive
@RPFitz4 ай бұрын
He is and still has a wait list!
@CruelFolk3 ай бұрын
Joe is quite hard to track down, but when I was going throught the decision process that led to Stefan I did manage to find a phone number and I spoke to him at some length. So yes, as far as I know, he's still making instruments. So many bouzoukis, so little time...!
@slowuncle8 ай бұрын
I have a 90s vintage Octavius which I ultimately decided to modify to ditch the octave strings in favor of unison courses. It wasn't punchy enough for the tumultuous sessions I was doing at the time; the guitar bridge seemed to make for a quieter sound. In any event it has aged nicely & gotten louder & sweeter-sounding. I now use it in my home studio for a variety of exotica. Guitar bridge seems to make it friendlier to aggressive processing, with both a mic and (especially) the Highlander pickup.
@CruelFolk3 ай бұрын
Yes, mine is much softer sounding. I kept the octave stringing as it adds a particular complexity to the voice that makes it more suitable for certain songs.
@ThreeTimesThrough9 ай бұрын
I have a similar Stefan Sobell (1986) and a Fylde. My Fylde is a longer scale and I also use octave strings with it. They are both beautiful, the Sobell has a bit more punch and with the shorter scale makes jigs and reels a tad easier. The Fylde for singing is just georgeous, deep rich sound. Love them both. There is a definite body thickness between the 2, the Fylde being quite a bit thicker with the smaller sound hole as he stated. Workmanship on both blows me away, don't know how they Roger and Stefan have the patience to be so exact! I cannot find a flaw anywhere!
@ThreeTimesThrough9 ай бұрын
Here is the Fylde in one of our videos. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqaWfJSjac-pf8Usi=1zERsRNgaGbBMtO6
@CruelFolk3 ай бұрын
I have to agree regarding the workmanship. Recently, I went to an exhibition of Stadivari violins and was struck by how comparable they are.
@celticdadgad9 ай бұрын
I admire Stefan’s craftsmanship & design. However, it’s the Fylde Long scale bouzouki for me if I was to judge by this video. Its sound isn’t as raspy as the Sobel and seems a tad mellower/warmer. Would have liked to have heard some single note melody runs mixed in with chords. Sobell’s are now in the stratosphere price wise & maybe well worth it but again, as a working pro, the Fylde would seem more justifiable too!
@CruelFolk3 ай бұрын
Stefan's work is certainly pricey, but on the other hand compared to some of the comparable American makers his stuff is a cast iron bargain! I was amazed at the sale price for one of his instruments in the recent auction of Mark Knopfler's collection. And compared to the likes of Traugott and Olsen you're getting all the guitar for a fraction of what they're charging. A Sobell instrument costs about the same as the *deposit* on a Casimi.
@corncrake9 ай бұрын
I have both a Fylde Longscale bouzouki and a Fylde Octavius, and a Sobell. The Longscale is my favourite, a lovely tone and light action; the Ocvtavius is warmer and deeper, and the Sobell is a very deep, very loud tone, and not as 'forgiving' as the Fylde. I dislike the chord 'thrashing' rhythm-guitar-style that many musicians do on the bouzouki, often allowing open strings to hide a multitude of sins, but for slow picking or tune playing, and Andy-Irvine-style fingering, the Fylde Longscale is great. Good strings, phosphor bronze are my preference, make all the difference.
@celticdadgad9 ай бұрын
I admire Stefan’s craftsmanship & design. However, it’s the Fylde Long scale bouzouki for me if I was to judge by this video. Its sound isn’t as raspy as the Sobel and seems a tad mellower/warmer.
@CruelFolk3 ай бұрын
Definitely with you regarding the strings. I just wish it was easier to get hold of individual Elixir, as I just destory everything else in a couple of playings where as Elixir guitar sets keep their tone for ages.
@Yavanna69109 ай бұрын
A lovely song and a great tribute.
@peteholden79449 ай бұрын
So, this song has just been given the award for 'Best Track of the Year' from Fatea Magazine. 😀
@michaelmullen83739 ай бұрын
Stunning instruments! Thanks for sharing them. I would love to hear them played without such a hard attack and to hear tunes being played on them as well.
@CruelFolk3 ай бұрын
I do my best, but 30+ years as a metal drummer has had certain effects on my approach to the instrument! :-)
@pkjmfineart159310 ай бұрын
The Sobell presented as more brazen at first but the Fylde tarted up equally well once in the spotlight. I believe when I make it to heaven 🤗 and get to play both 😄 one could make them sound almost exactly alike through picking & strumming variations. Under such excellent and precise examination I was most interested to note a chorus-y effect on the thicker paired strings which changed ever so slightly as the gap widened or reduced relevant to finger position and pressure. I have >always< tuned my 12's via tuning fork, vibration and ear so maybe the effect is relevant to me only? or it might be that no two zouks have ever been compared with such top notch (digital), recording equipment before. Wonderful comparison, thank you.
@CruelFolk3 ай бұрын
I think with unison stringing a certain amount of phasing is inevitable, and that's what's making the chorus-like sound. "Ye canne break the laws 'o physics." - Mr Scott.
@mcvinda10 ай бұрын
Wow
@andrewrothwell779110 ай бұрын
Hi, Clifford Essex have wound A's in Phosphor Bronze, I have them on my Fylde's. That Sobell is a beautiful instrument, and it sounds great, such sustain. Got to say, though, that the Fylde shades it for me.
@PerryJones-eo3qt10 ай бұрын
Both holy grail instruments. Just gorgeous. I was surprised to hear Roger Bucknall say that the smaller soundhole emphasizes the bass. I think that truth is audible here. Spectacular instruments. Thanks for this posting.
@PerryJones-eo3qt10 ай бұрын
my 1998 Octavious has Sapele back and sides with the cedar top.
@CruelFolk2 ай бұрын
Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what mine is too.
@m.skerrittirishinstruments712810 ай бұрын
Hi . Using a Radius dish and Go-Deck helps achieve lovely curves for the back of Instruments. Keep up the good work.
@CruelFolk3 ай бұрын
Absolutely correct. But with Sobell I think it goes a bit deeper than that - his arching looks much more heavily radiused than most.
@bugtoastmusic192711 ай бұрын
Love this video, thank you. I play a Joe Foley instrument, and have had two guitars converted into guizouks. Thanks for those string gauges. Are your lower strings phosphor bronze? Which are your favorites?
@CruelFolk10 ай бұрын
Happy to hear that you enjoyed the video. Yes, I generally use phosphor bronze. For preference I would use Elixir as I find they last *way* longer than standard strings. However it's been so hard to buy them individually to make up custom sets that I usually end up with whatever is available. Most of the strings in my spares box at the moment are D'Addario and Ernie Ball (Earthwood).
@Rinty145 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever played a Joe Foley bouzouki and if so what did you think of it?
@CruelFolk Жыл бұрын
No I haven't played one. I was very impressed by the sound that Daoiri Farrell's makes, to the extent that I considered ordering one and spoke to Joe on the phone at some length to discuss it. He seems a really nice guy! In the end I decided to order something else, and it will be unboxed in Part 2...
@JoshuaIsaacAlexander Жыл бұрын
Great comparison
@CruelFolk2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@filmingandfettling Жыл бұрын
Nice video - enjoyed it! Favourite is the last Fylde. I have a MacNeela which is spruce with rosewood back and sides, I find it quite powerful when it needs to be. Just a hobbyist but absolutely love the sound these things produce. Well done!
@CruelFolk2 ай бұрын
Yeah - there's definitely something special about the sound. It's what got me hooked on them despite playing guitar for a lot longer beforehand!
@martinwall690 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the fair and rigorous comparison. I am currently looking at buying a bouzouki, probably long scale Irish. My favourite of yours is the first one with octave 3rd and 4th courses. What is more, as common with these instruments, the octave up strings are hit first (nearer to player’s head. On my Kamaka 8-string ukulele this comes as standard and my ‘new’ renaissance 4-course guitar I had custom-string that way. It is clearly written up as a historical option for providing the bell- Ike jangle that I love. However, as you pointed out, your last demo with the Brazilian rosewood back also had that sound! Amazing. The only wild card for me is the fixed bridge on first and floating on last demo. Wonderful instruments those 2 and so well presented thanks again and best wishes. Martin
@CruelFolk Жыл бұрын
Those two Fyldes are very different beasts in practice and I end up using them for completely different things. The different woods and - as you point out - fundamental design, make the Octavius quite gentle and sweet-sounding, while the custom long-scale is really powerfull and big. If you're in the market, you might want to check out Part II as well - should be up soon. :-)
@chriscorr9124 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Video
@CruelFolk2 ай бұрын
I hope it was useful!
@pkjmfineart1593 Жыл бұрын
O yay~! Anything regarding Celtic Bouzouks is welcome! Longscale is my preference, unless you can change my mind 8-). I don't own one just yet. (other side of the world/Land of Oz). Subbed!
@CruelFolk Жыл бұрын
There is a very well-respected maker in Australia -- Nigel Forster set up on his own after being apprentice to Stefan Sobell. www.nkforsterguitars.com/
@pkjmfineart1593 Жыл бұрын
@@CruelFolk WOW that is some of the best information I have ever been given. Thank you!!!!!!