Astonishing! I have Elo 500+ for the base game but can't understand ZeusAI and SnowWonder's move. I admit AI(or real masters) sees more than I do.
@BoardInTheHouseBGAplayerАй бұрын
This is a great channel. Thanks for showing Zeus AIs thoughts at each step. This helped show lots of good moves and an option for age 1 red card exploration.
@fatikg23432 ай бұрын
I really like your videos, but can you please make them a little louder. Looking forward to more ZeusAI
@victorbrizzi90302 ай бұрын
I need to be part of the telegram group
@zacheaton-rosen8222 ай бұрын
58:34 the AI already knows it's highly unlikely to win here. If it goes for the yellow, opponent will play replay-> green and get theology, giving it a 3:1 replay advantage and making it even more likely to win on science (or any way they choose). The AI is doing a hail mary, trying to hit its science and (probably) pick up theology, so that it can fight off the science threat and stay in the game.
@GiovanniPaolini2 ай бұрын
Indeed, Arrigo said so at 1:20:05!
@fatikg23433 ай бұрын
Will there be more ZeusAI streams?
@GiovanniPaolini3 ай бұрын
Yes, that's the plan! For instance, we will stream a match between ZeusAI and the winner of an upcoming 7WD tournament organized by D1EGO84 (this is the first segment of that tournament: boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=292831 ).
@fatikg23433 ай бұрын
@@GiovanniPaolini Thanks, I'll be looking forward to it.
@GiovanniPaolini4 ай бұрын
Our estimate is that the 1st player has a 67% win rate. We will discuss this in a paper we are preparing, together with ideas to balance the game! By the way, at 9:30 there is a longer discussion on the chart.
@shoumu40464 ай бұрын
Playing Replay Wonder near the end of Age 1 to deny one action of opponent and then start Age 2 is such a nasty combo in my opinion. Pantheon just make this combo more unfamous, and more unbalanced. The way to decide who start in next Age really sucks in 7WD, and definitely needs change if a 2nd edition is on the way. Maybe I'm wrong lol. Looking forward to your research and advise, great Job!
@arthasthelichking62133 ай бұрын
What kind of date will the paper cover? Asking and throwing in some ideas at the same time. Wonders win/pick rates? Specific cards win/pick rates? Prefered order of picking cards from the pyramid? Build rate of extra turn wonders in certain ages? Corelations between certain card picks and other cards/wonders/progress tokens?
@shoumu40463 ай бұрын
@@arthasthelichking6213 And maybe some suggestion on how to change the cost of certain cards. I always find the Age2 3-gold 1-shield red card not that appealing.
@GiovanniPaolini3 ай бұрын
@@arthasthelichking6213 The upcoming paper will include data on: pick rates for wonders, progress tokens, and some cards; build rate of wonders in age I (in particular, extra-turn wonders); win rates of first/second player for each victory type; win rates for a few variants aimed at reducing the first-player advantage. Later on, we would also like to write a second paper, with more details and more data. Thanks for throwing in your ideas; they definitely make sense!
@GiovanniPaolini3 ай бұрын
@@arthasthelichking6213 Here is the paper! arxiv.org/pdf/2406.00741
@BoardInTheHouseBGAplayer4 ай бұрын
1:20:19 very cool charts in 2nd game for win likelihood
@BoardInTheHouseBGAplayer4 ай бұрын
Sadly it looks like 65% 1st player wins, 35% 2nd player wins. Very sad and it is not like 2nd player Zeus AI is better at military, civ, or science. Even in each individual win rate compared, the 2nd player is a lower more often.
@BoardInTheHouseBGAplayer4 ай бұрын
Yes, what is the true first player advantage?
@alonsomontoro85092 ай бұрын
First card, and start second age if you have a double turn wonder
@arthasthelichking62134 ай бұрын
I am not sure if I understood the graph, but I would be very curious of the 1st player vs 2nd player overall win rate since ZeusAI learned to play well. AI playing vs itself is a breakthrough in terms of statistical analisys for 7 wonders possibilities.
@BoardInTheHouseBGAplayer7 ай бұрын
I can imagine Tier lists of cards and wonder picks based on ZeusAI. Lots of content possibilities
@GiovanniPaolini7 ай бұрын
Yes, definitely!
@JRick63907 ай бұрын
Arrigo is a fantastic player, great matchup! Is there somewhere to download ZeusAI to play against and see how it thinks? Looks like an amazing tool for analyzing positions post-game. I realize that's probably not a great idea to leak an AI for people to use for BGA, but I would certainly love more content with the AI, great video!
@GiovanniPaolini7 ай бұрын
Thanks for your interest! At this time, we are not planning to release ZeusAI. One big reason is the one you mentioned: we don't want to make cheating easier. However, we do want to create more content with ZeusAI. Stay tuned!
@nobodi12 Жыл бұрын
ma questo canale e' ancora attivo!
@maria56023 жыл бұрын
Молодцы!
@annabar50833 жыл бұрын
Bravissimi👍🏻
@pietroperona3193 жыл бұрын
Fantastico!
@lauracastrico61503 жыл бұрын
Bravo Giovanni. Augurio
@nobodi126 жыл бұрын
Non avete speranza. Questa volta... CO-CO-COMBBO BREAKER!!!!
@marcobarberis71008 жыл бұрын
Il fatto che la matricola addormentata davanti al computer non sia Lepori è inaccettabile! P.S.Non che non apprezzi, soprattutto da Ministro, la voce di Dario che già tanto si è distinta.
@AnziEnza10 жыл бұрын
Con "Vasco, tu pensi di farcela?" ho riso per i restanti 3min...
@IoSonoOro10 жыл бұрын
Quando si è palesato Vasco non ho trattenuto le lacrime, è stato chiaramente l'acme del trailer. Ma poi che voglia avete avuto per fare il modello 3D del Carducci? :|
@GiovanniPaolini10 жыл бұрын
Ecco l'attesissimo trailer della 24 ore di quest'anno! Giovanni Mascellani Alessandro Achille
@sisisifo10 жыл бұрын
Quanto tempo avete perso su questo? :)
@GiovanniPaolini10 жыл бұрын
Difficile dirlo con esattezza. Le idee ho iniziato a buttarle giù lo scorso febbraio. Sulla modellazione del Carducci ci abbiamo lavorato un po' Alessandro ed io lo scorso luglio, poi hanno continuato lui e Giovanni qualche settimana fa. Il resto (doppiaggio e altri effetti grafici) l'abbiamo fatto io e Ugo tra settembre e dicembre.