Can’t believe we can never be ogres

Goblin incoming

Blizz confirmed that we arent getting anymore delve companions just brann. maybe next expansion

As a alliance rogue I would of been fine the order hall being focused on the Horde because the Alliance just gets shat on hard. It was just horrible to be a alliance rogue, especially if you were human.

Nightborne the great traitors. Both factions help them and they side with one faction.

100% agree with so much you said here.

Just shows you the horde are the bad guys for having the dark talons on their side. No one with Dark in their name is ever the good guys.

Me started with rage to complain, then thinking, "What DID the horde do in Legion???" And it did not go well

Sylvanas ruined the horde for me. But her plot armor was god tier according to blizzard writers. When they deviated away from strong orc characters, which embody the spirit of the horde, they lost me.

It was always annoying how they shafted Vol'Jin, but moving beyond that I was interested to see where Sylvanas as Warchief would go. Even back before she was turned undead, she was known as a ruthless leader known for her incredible skill in strategy and waging combat/war. It made sense for a time where the burning legion had returned and had to be fought back for the final time. But then they never showed this, instead she went on her own adventure gathering things for vague reasons. To make it worse, a lot of the writing seemingly made her out to look like she was trying to be up to no good for everyone, which made no sense, sure she's never been the most moral character, but she had been shown to fight for her people and give everything for them. And while I'm somewhat fine with them setting things up for the future and keeping things vague. At a time where Horde and Alliance were allied and needed each other desperately to fight the Legion, Genn Greymane, basically the second in command of the Alliance, grossly misused his power to attack Sylvanas her fleet on arrival, and this wasn't even after figuring out she was up to no good, this was his personal vendetta against her for killing his son the previous war. And while I don't dislike the story of a vengeance fueled father not giving a damn about anything else, he was always written as if he was in the right for doing what he did, both in universe as out as he was never punished for it. The entire expansion didn't just leave the Horde off the screen sort off speak, they actively acted like they were evil and anything the Alliance did against them was justified and good, which was rediculous.

Legion was fine, the real problem was BfA

Everything you have to say about the Doomhammer can also be said about the Ashbringer. The Horde only lost Voljin at that battle. The Alliance lost Varian and Tyrian who I know is the head of a neutral faction but he's basically Alliance literally being a founding paladin.

Interesting that you mention The Doomhammer cause my main is Enhancement Shaman, so this is what we had.... even tho I thought it was a 2H. Giving elmental a fist weapon for artifact was surprising, but a fist/claw weapon would have worked welll as an artifact weapon for Enhancement, or maybe some cool axes. I didn't mind using Doomhammer tho.... just cause that was the whole point of Legion and the artifact weapons, to use all these special notorious weapons that have names and history. I really liked Legion for the emphasis on class quests and the artifact weapons, mage tower, and tons of other stuff. Tho I agree that survival hunters being a melee class was just strange and while I get the whole beastmaster class fantasy, hunters are the only class that uses ranged weapons so it doesn't make sense to turn one spec into melee. I disagree about Rexxar being a beastmaster spec, he seems more like survival as a melee class that has pets to help him. As for the lack of horde lore or character involvement, I do agreee that Vol'jin having a cheap death sucked for such as unique and special character, and u never see the Tauren do much or be as involved with named hero characters like before. But warlords of draenor was basically a whole xpac about the orcs, so you can find extremes with a focus on just orcs or night elves, or a mix of races that feels ore balanced. Just depends on what the theme for that xpac is. In a way, Burning crusade, warlords of draenor, and legion was like an outland/i;;idan trilogy. We saw 2 different versions of azeroth, the normal one and the corrupted one. And then Legion was a chance for illidan to try to redeeem himself. Kinda cool.

I hated that they killed Vol'jin, he became my favorite character in Mists due to just how badass he was made in the expansion. I honestly believe that it would've been more meaningful for Thrall to have died while Vol'jin faked his death to have the Zandalari join the horde in BFA. Sylvanas would've still became warchielf, allowing her to have her arc. Then Thrall would've died next to Vol'jin on the battle field allowing there to be a real reason for him to leave doomhammer for the shamanas. Giving Vol'jin more time to build up his amazing character further, he wpuld've honestly been amazing in shadowlands compared to Thrall.

Horde's been failing ever since they decided to make Garrosh a villain. The Horde lost it's soul when the devs decided to placate the whiny elf players.

Yeah, Vol'jin was the best warchief that the Horde couldn't have

I dont think theres an alliance bias at Blizzard. I think theres a Sylvanas bias. Jesus christ for like 3 xpacs she just was the worst with zero actual punishments. The issue is that in order for Sylvanas to get the spotlight basically every other horde leader had to do jack shit or worse

One of the biggest issues right from WoW's very beginning was Thrall calling them "The Horde" again. The name "The Horde" carries with it negative connotations

Makes me even more interested to see how things turns out in midnight when all thalassian elves are supposed to unite. Perhaps high elves, blood elves and void elves become neutral? That’s my thoughts at least. Maybe a pandaren situation where you choose the subrace and faction as you make the character.

I might be biased as an Alliance player, but if anything I think this was just the Alliance getting "their turn" after the last expansion and a half had been so horde-focused. Like, the whole story of WoW from the Darkspear Rebellion to the end of WoD was pretty much about the Horde. It might have been an overcorrection, but the Alliance deserved their time in the spotlight after that. Especially given that the spotlight went right back to the Horde with the Sylvanas plot in BfA.

To me this video shares a large amount of gripes I have with Blizzard's overall writing structure. it feels very skewed to one side of the aisle. This structure ultimately caused me to stop caring for Warcraft's lore period. the factions, both the Horde and the Alliance lack flavor now unlike in the past, and this will sound very stupid I am aware. The Alliance overall gets much better treatment than the horde in the story, part of why I stopped playing (small part but a part relevant to this rant). post Mists it did not feel good to be a horde player because you were almost always the bad guy of some campaign, or the party that ended up worse off. Ultimately this is more of a problem warcraft overall right now shares so I will only mention it briefly. The story feels soft and kind of boring, like the writers are afraid to go even slightly in the direction of 'the factions still slightly dislike each other' due to the damage that BFA did. Overall I want the Horde to get better treatment before I am even remotely interested in the lore again. That's just my take though.

I would be VERY surprised if N'Zoth is actually dead...dude's like a cockroach...

It never really made sense they joining the horde in the first place but yeah, blizzard being blizzard

Afrasiabi really set up a story of making Horde feel like a bad guy NPCs and it reflects even today when you look JUST HOW ACTIVE all the alliance race NPCs are even today and when hordes ones appear to speak up it feels like... Filler.

That into was pretty awesome

At the time, I was okay with it because every expansion did have a lean towards either of the factions. TBC had a Horde lean. WotLK, slight Alliance lean. Cataclysm Alliance lean. MoP and WoD, Horde lean. The problem with Legion was that the Horde set up didn't pay off in BfA.

Great vid, friend. I'm ready for the baddies to win for once. Xal is cool af.

Best questline ever

Is the content creator the same guy from WRA who RPs a moknathal?

Cause Lothamar is a gigachad and no one else can contend with his energy

Which some later did in the bfa expansion as some where exilied for using the void and became void elf's

Makes you wonder how different events would have played out if they did. The horde would have lost all real presence in dalaran , the undercity would be a last bastion surrounded on all sides.

It's hard to say modern wow is shit because of the lore because people will just laugh at your face.

I'll be genuinely surprised if these writing choices didn't have Danuser's grubby hack writer mitts all over them

i think nzoth may have fled to the underground oceans of azeroth given the squiddy stuff going on in hallowfall.

Another gripe, personally, warrior artefacts, namely the lack of AXE artefact when there is Broxigar's axe of Cenarius in lore that has managed to damage fucking Sargeras himself.

SYLVANNIS'S book for BFA built her up way better and did nothing. The book for BFA implied she had a mission to save the undead from rotting to death. Then did bull shit in retail with her. She goes evil and serves the jailer.

Ooh, this is a high quality video! Glad it found me, lol I suspect it would be Xal'atath or maybe Dimensius' drawing near that causes the new visions. I think Blizzard has done a whole lot to build up N'zoth's return over like four expansions, so bringing him back in War Within - maybe even Midnight - would feel premature. I could be biased... N'zoth is my favorite villain by far 😅But I'm still holding onto hope that we'll get some payoff for keeping the Gift of N'zoth. After all, even the best laid plans are no match for 25 players who really want the mount you drop! Only chance at winning is getting said crazy people on your side, methinks!

A double agent player here, I agree with alotta of these. Honestly, the weapon they should have given up, instead of Doom Hammer, would have been Gorehowl for Arms Warrior. Other than that one we got instead.

Alliance main and moreover a paladin main. I truly understand you POV regarding artifact weapons, especially for Doomhammer... trying to convince us that the prophecy was meant for the player all along instead of Thrall, like wtf?... HOWEVER... I do appreciate that as ret pal we get to retrieve Ashbringer because it is such an important weapon in the lore, and since we - as player - are treated as someone who achieved great things along great heroes, I'm happy to know that we are considered enough to wield Ashbringer in the name of Tirion in order to save Azeroth... not to happy bc at the End of legion we sacrifice the power of the artifact (which like, what does it mean? who knew that all those weapons from different times were all considered 'artifact' haha and that you could sacrifice their power to wound a big 'ol sword struck in Silithus????? send help xD ) but yeah sad that they ended up like that... I would've loved a quest at the end of Legion where you return Ashbringer to TIrion's tomb or smth like that, that would've been awesome

Maybe the Horrific Visions might bring in new cities for us to explore in a twisted way like Silvermoon, Exodar, Undercity, Thunder Bluff, Night Elf's New City, and Ironforge. Or could be another visions that tied to places like Dragon Isles where the Black Dragons are or Void Elves in the rift.

I do have a question though. What sounds of wow? Would you like to see a remake of? I don't know what you call a revamp of cataclysm revamp

What would you give the anniversary event out of 20 see what I did there because it was the 20th of wow!

I like to belove N’zoth want come back no way old gif like him go out like he did in BFA, beside these vison I would like see twist reality and updated change up to the TWwI exp

It'd be cool if we had a vision of Silvermoon - but not as it is now, rather a sneak peak of a new wing or an instanced area from the revamped version we're getting in Midnight as a "foreshadowing" of what is to come.

Hmm I am seeing another posibility...a slim chance, but some at very least There is not much War in a Warcraft...both Horde and Alliance are friendly with each other and it doesn't give any sense for it to change in lore perspective, buuuut...what if players could pick what reality will they be fighting...or Blizzard would simply diceroll each player to form new 2 waring factions...I wouldn't mind to fight for "Dark" Thrall

What they did to Sylvanas, for me, was criminal!

A shame they decided to 'burn out' the artifacts (with Xalatah being a "special case") As far as doomhammer? Heh.. The way they went with Thrall he very much should have lost that weapon, while I agree it's a little funky bc that hammer is very horde-centric. Thralls big issue and losing his connection with the elements? He lost his confidence the only real reason the elements don't respond to hesitation and uncertainty if he was less a broken man he wouldn't have problems getting it up

What I see is that the writing team hasn't got rid of the old fashin resolutions of Warcraft Orcs and Humans (1st game in the saga) where Alliance Wins canonically even if you complete the Horde Campaign. Blizzards start ed to show too much his to show too much favoritism for the alliance at the point is more a liability than anything else. PS: NEVER in WoW history a true neutral posture was taken on any major plot...from stolen victories to fabricated villains, Blizzard allways needed the horde as their villain and the alliance as the main character wich is not only sad, is cringe at this point.

It seemed to me like they didn't care for the Horde anymore, now it is just 'Alliance, but red and spiky'. We lost our faction identity. No Warchief, they make sure to add another god damn council. With 80% of them being Alliance sympathizers. Which, this whole koombayah nonsense can go suck an egg as well... I miss the days when it was still WARcraft, where both sides were evil and had every reason to hate each other...