My former lecturer at Wits; Strategic Communications

My reaction throughout all this: no isht... And: abouwt!

If insufficient sentience is present for suffering, then sufferig is not present. If sufficient sentience is present for suffering, then suffering is present. Deontologically this can be our only shared concern, and pragmatically we have to argue it out from there.

Gold.

My intuition is that, if it exists in this universe and can't suffer, it's not really intelligent. But, if an A(quasi)I can't suffer, can it experience sympathy/empathy for entities which can? How might that asymmetry affect relationships between the two life forms?

My intuition is that, if it can't suffer, it's not an intelligence. Another question: would an A(quasi)I which could not experience suffering be able to sympathize or empathize with intelligences which can?

I see no point in procreating even in the event that my offspring had a 100% chance of ending up in some sort of Paradise. The non-existent don't need Paradise and will never miss their chance to have been sent there. Now, for those of us already in the soup, as it were, for whom the Rubicon has been irreversibly crossed, it'd be very nice if we could end up in some sort of heavenly state. I don't count on it though. The only exception I can imagine would be if the Hindu/Buddhist concept of the cycle of death and rebirth---where our "spirits" must keep being restalled into successive meat puppets in order to undergo a purification process and that that process only comes to an end when each of us achieves "enlightenment" and enters in the state of Nirvana---were to prove valid. I suppose that could serve as a justification for procreating lest those never-to-be -embodied spirits end up consigned fo a state of endless......what? That said, I'm not a dualist and I don't believe human beings are spirit-meat hybrids of some sort, so that notion has no force with me.

Even if we had some sort of "pre-existence" from which state we could try to evaluate the pros and cons of coming into the world, how would we do that? We'd have no bases of comparison by virtue of having experienced absolutely nothing of the state of being we'd be trying to assess. Then again, how would that pre-existence differ from our actual "earthly" existence in that, what would become of us if our evaluation was that we did NOT wish to be born? Would our pre-existent "selves" be killed? How would that differ from our current condition?

You go girl!

God is an imposer of life. Neither you nor I have a choice in this - people will be born until the soul count is all met. Not having kids just makes it worse since we have less control over the upbringing of the future generation of humanity.

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so much knowledge - thank you

Political economy and economic systems are better than neoclassical econ.

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it is a pity that not more people see this!

disabled, born with pain, tortured, war child, starved to death, raped by a sadistic serial killer, child dying of malaria in her mother's arms, mentally ill psychotic fears, etc. What was I supposed to say?

Interesting

as free and fair as advertised !

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My brother!!! Respek my man!! Dr Koffi. You must get your phd?

It’s not who votes that count, but who counts the vote

Great episode 👍🏾

Basic income grant would be achievable is the wealthiest ten percent was taxed 2 or 3 percent. These people can afford to pay a wealth tax and they definitely should be paying this. It would reduce so much suffering.

We Antinatalists take Antinatlism seriously. We think REDUCTIONISTICALLY in terms of specific quantifiable falsifiable testable physical harms. This is not like the depressed conservative extremists who whine and cry and are depressed about VAGUE notion of "grooming children". They are too stupid and lazy to specify specific physical harms one person does to a child. They use "grooming children" as an excuse to imprison LGBTQ people for using a bathroom or exercising their freedom of speech.

Good points except for the wildlife stuff; Lawrence mostly fell flat on that topic.

Great discussion! 😍

Enjoyed this. Curious about what kind of insights, whether physiological or psychological, they have already come up with during their extreme environments training preparation?

I'm really trying to understand this channel.

I respect Ralph but I found this engagement a series of ramblings about who he has met or who he is currently teaching. For someone with skin on the game, you will think he is over the star stuckness, of who he meets/ advises/ etc. I failed to understand the opportunities that can be derived from the fragmented global politics. Pity because I came looking to find his opinion about current matters.

Thanks for the enterview. Great explanations for complex matters.

The only reason I can think of as to why we don't have a right to die because then at least 50% of humans would choose to die peacefully and seeing them, even more would choose that . Why would any leader / powerful person want that ? Think about it....if u were a leader, you would want a lot of slaves . Why would you let them die so easily because you know most of them would choose death if they had an easy , painless and a guaranteed way to do so.

Thanks for having me on! It was an enlightening conversation.

Thank you for an excellent conversation.

Who cares?

It is indeed

y don't u start a twitch at least the Adults would listen to you

The South African Government shouldn't HAVE to consider reformation, after all he would sell a lot more copies of they passed some resolution subsiding the production of his books and demanding that every citizen receive it "free though social subsidies"!

We're stuck in a world of Oh Dearism...

Excellent conversation! Thank you sooooo much! ❤

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Jon! Fully agree with you!

Big corporate companies are destroying small businesses and that is fact. We live in a small community on the West Coast.SA. People unfortunately turned humans into sheep.

Bronwyn, please have a look at AFRIFORUM. This gentleman really impresses me. Thank you.

I do a lot of interviews about MakeLoveNotPorn, and this was one of my favorites - Bronwyn asked such excellent insightful and perceptive questions 😍

Eish Wandile? As eloquent as you come across you seem to have missed out on 2 critical issues that significantly contribute to household food insecurity. Concentration amongst retailers that allow them to inflate retail food prices and poverty amongst agricultural workers… 🤷🏾‍♂️

Some very interesting points and great questions. Thanks to you both.

I am traumatized every day knowing that I will be deteriorating and have to face my own death. I am still traumatized over my grandmas deterioration, death, burial and her dead carcass being eaten by the bugs in the ground. I am still traumatized over my dead relatives that were burned cremated into ashes. I OBJECT to having to die. How dare my selfish breeder parents puck me into a deterioration trap and death trap. My breeder parents belong in prison for creating my death. I NEVER agreed to any of this.

leaf the ANIMALS alone, they Deal with everything better then we are. Conscious is a burden only humans have, Antinatalism should focos on human suffering at first. But it will never go viral because people are dumb as flys. A pro Mortalism channel would have more sense.. Antinatalism is getting woke, liberal, Philosophical Intelligence BS.. Talk,talk, talk..

imagine being 30 years behind the curve 😂😂 🫛🧠