He planned to let us live with free will. If we were controlled, we couldn't truly love God the way He loves us

How can an immortal sacrifice his life?

Well just because your sins are paid for doesn't mean you should still sin. God gave us rules and boundaries so that we can flourish in life. When a firefighter rescues you from a burning building and invites you over for dinner, would you accept? And how would you act in His house? We should act that same way towards God for what He did

no my father does not send me to burn in feces for eternity there cannot be finite reason for infinite punishment

God isn't murdering animals people are. Also animals are for us to use as we are superior to them, however that gives no excuse to the abuse of such animals, and us humans need to be fixed not God

​@AlulaAndCalamus ummm the flood killed most animals on the earth for nothing.. just saying

​@@jahsilent1 not for nothing, that was a punishment for how humans were becoming so evil. He basically started the world fresh again and repopulate with new life

@@ravenharmon1282 so animals were murdered because He wanted to punish people not animals because he created humans the way in which they are able to do what He punishing them for in the first place, so they could have a free will because in his perverted mind sending someone to burn for eternity if they use given free will in way they want and not He is free will, without even questioning why to create free will if He is going to coerce people to do something against their will in fear of punishment

@user-cz1mz3pp9n sorry I only caught some of that, there wasn't a single period there. Is English a second language? Hopefully this helps. God gave us rules to his universe so that we could live a good life and flourish. There is a reason to each rule to keep us safe and protected. Just like how each country has their own laws, or how each family has rules under their roof. If you break the rules, you get punished. It's not out of hate but there are consequences to your actions

How so?

@@Reformed_ThinkerHell isn’t necessarily a place or location on some cosmic and eternal map. It is probably much more accurate to say hell is a perpetual state of the soul eternally separated from God.

@@CatholicQuartet I think that if Heaven is a physical place (which it more likely than not is) than Hell would be too, would it not? Not meaning in the fiery lakes like is described, but still a somewhat physical place of separation between individual and God

@@Reformed_Thinker Thanks for engaging! I love discussing theology and I can tell you enjoy it as well. I would love to deep dive into this because I think it’s fun, but you are free to disregard any further responses if you are not interested in a quick conversation about this. On your response: That is an interesting observation, but I think it would be rather unlikely (logically speaking and according to the theology I understand) that heaven be a physical place. There are a few reasons why I say this: The physical world is confined to what is observable and natural because physical things require matter and matter requires time. If heaven were physical, it would also be made of matter and be confined within a time. But, as we know, God exists outside of time, space, and matter. That is not to say God cannot find a way to make it possible, but it is the immediate logical conclusion that He would not choose to. Also, because God dwells as Pure Spirit, we can reasonably argue that heaven is a realm of pure spirit because this would be perfectly suited for our souls. Heaven is an untainted illustration of God’s own Beauty. God initially made heaven for human souls to enjoy as they enter union with Him, so that unity would most likely come from a spiritual source, not a physical source. Also, humans are destined for something greater than ourselves because of Christ’s sacrifice. Through grace and holiness, we begin to become more like Christ (Christification). More specifically, we transcend what shackles us from Him. This line of thinking could be taken to its logical conclusion and mean that we overcome and look beyond what is physical to join spiritually with God in the vaults of an incorporeal heavenly realm. Thus, heaven is probably not a physical place. But, we can’t know for sure because it is not for us to know until we meet our Creator face-to-face, just as we cannot know when the Second Coming will be. There are many interesting theories being discussed. Thanks for the thoughts, it is an interesting topic. I would like to hear what you think. God bless!

@@CatholicQuartet thanks for being so considerate, I do in fact love theological discussion 😊 It's a bit hard for me because multiple verses do indicate exactly what you are saying, but also the opposite. "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28) "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where “‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’" (Mark 9:43-48) You could say it's symbolism, but symbolism for what? It seems our bodies are kept with us when we travel to Heaven, or Hell. I would love to know your thoughts!

Dank Gott

I believe the answer is based on our senses. Pain feels bad and pleasant things are well known. Each of us have different standards of what exactly these things are. But no one enjoys having their stuff stolen, or their loved ones getting harmed. These standards are inherently there. It gets deeper the more we complicate life.

Well yeah, but would he be considered good judging by the standards that he sets for us.

@@aghhhog2655 does it matter if he created the standard? How can he be judged by a standard that he created for lesser beings?

@@dadquality to answer your question, no it doesn’t, he can do whatever he wants, but how are we expected to love him for that?

@@aghhhog2655 inherently if he doesn't care neither should we. But the Bible explains how he cares and shows his ways. He's timeless so he doesn't get bored and works in and on us tirelessly.

I agree 100 percent. This is a lost and floundering generation. The inside of the Church looks like a dark theater. Pray for them. God wishes NO ONE to perish. This isn't their fault, it's what's being presented.