Who recognize him to tulku?

Actually bhod tulku tell truth

Why would Thaye Dorje who follows 14th Zhamarpa ask 14th Dalai Lama for ordination and teachings? 14th Zhamarpa was one of the biggest critics of the Dalai Lama's and Gelugpas and wrote about that in his book on the 10th Karmapa. Also the Dalai simply confirmed the official choice Of Karmapa by the majortut of Karma Kagyu in exile and Tubet. It was not a dispute between 14th Zhamar and 12th Tai Airupa at all. All the main teachers if Karma Kagyu including Gyaltsab Rinpoche and Jamgon Kongtrul and Tsurphu Labrang support and recognised Ogyen Trinley Dorje. The 14th Dalai Lama did not intervene at all he simply confirmed their clear and supported choice that had the backing of 16th Karmapas letter too. The 14th Dalai Lama also declared he had a prophetic dream about the birthplace of 17th Karmapa that matched that of Ogyen Trinley. He said there was no evidence whatsoever to support the candidate of 14th Zhamarpa. He was right about that. Majority of Karma Kagyu never supported or followed TD

Both are genuine karmapa because both are recognize by high Rinpoche's thaye dorje was not only recognize by shamarpa also by HE chogye trizin,HH gyalwang drukpa,HHdrikung chetsang and another thing HH DL is not head of tibetan Buddhism he is a ruler of tibet but it doesn't mean i don't respect His Holiness Dalai Lama, may his Holiness 14th Dalai Lama Tezin gyatso live 100 kalpa 🙏🙏🙏

U want to create the disturbance shamar rinpochey!

People saying His Holiness Dalai Lama is supreme head of buddhism are living in illusion. He is Rimpoche with political power in Tibet. His Holiness is not even head of Gelugpa. Gaden Thripa is head of Gelug School. If prediction letter was right, y didn’t forensically tested. It was as simple as that. Having said that I don’t argue that Urgyen Thinley Dorji not karmapa. He might be. Just politics and selfishness of rimpoches screwed two young monks lives…

1) Guys read Terchen Chokgyur Lingpa's Prediction - 1st KARMAPA to 21st KARMAPA in details. 2) Guys read well 1st to 16th KARMAPA #BIOGRAPHY carefully, who recognised, who Enthroned KARMAPA, before passed away letter gived to whom. 3) Guys read - Prophecy of 5th KARMAPA about 17th KARMAPA. 4) 8th KARMAPA - Mikyö Dorje was born in Satam, Kham. According to the legend, he said after being born: "I am Karmapa." and was recognized by "#Tai #Situpa" 10th KARMAPA -  Chöying Dorje was born in the kingdom of Golok, Amdo. At the age of eight, he was recognized by #Shamar Mipam Chökyi Wangchuk, the sixth "Shamarpa." 13th KARMAPA - Dudul Dorje was born in Champa Drongsar and recognized by "#Gyaltsab #Rinpoche" at the age of four. 14th KARMAPA - Thekchok Dorje was born in Danang, Kham and was #recognized because "#Drukchen Kunzig Chokyi Nangwa" received a #letter from Dudul Dorje, the thirteenth Karmapa, detailing where his next reincarnation would be born. He was ordained at the age of nineteen as a monk. 16th KARMAPA - The 16th Karmapa was born in Denkhok in the Dergé province in Eastern Tibet, Kham, near the Dri Chu or Yangtze River. The previous Karmapa Khakhyab Dorje (1871-1922) left a letter setting forth the circumstances of his next incarnation. The Karmapa's attendant, Jampal Tsultrim, possessed the letter of #prediction, which matched exactly with the proceeding the "11th #Tai #Situpa " was already undertaking to find the 16th Karmapa Rangjung Rigpe Dorje.

Tai situ rinpoche you are totally wrong that you said that Dalai lama is the head of all the four sects of tibetan buddhism that is totally wrong. Dalai lama is the head of Gelugpa only. he were just king of Tibet. For that reason all sects of tibetan Buddhist respect him. Otherwise KARMAPA , GYALVA DRIKUNGPA , GYALWANG DRUKPA, DALAI LAMA all are reincarnation of same Buddha . That is AVALOKITESHVARA The Compassion Buddha.

8:59 "People with very little learning and lesser wisdom often have more confidence than the those who are learned and realized." Thus, this idiot in spectacles, who is not even a lay monk, talks as if he would know who is the true one

Which is real Karmapa I’m so confused would you please tell us a bit. Thank you

Both are the real karmapas'.....long live his holiness Orgyen Trinley Dorje la and Trinley Thaye Dorje la❤️💐🙇🏻‍♀️ #Karmapachenno

It is not unprecedented though. In fact pre-1959, due to their absolute power in Tibet, the Dalai Lamas always put the official seal on tulku lamas, including that of 14th Zhamarpa! In addition, it was not the 14th Dalai Lama who decided the 17th Karmapa, it was the handwritten letter by the 16th Karmapa himself that he gave to Tai Situ Rinpoche before he passed away, together with all three Karma Kagyu heart sons and the vast majority of Karma Kagyu inside and outside Tibet that decided Ogyen Trinley Dorje is the official 17th Karmapa.

Are Karmapas allowed to marry? How many Karmapas got married?

I remember this, "under the sign of a cow" this confused the experts but even a chillum worshipper could figure this one out. There were traditional picturial map of Tibet with all the ethic groups drawn in regional costumes it was so common it was sold as a postcard. Well there is a couple with a cow south central Tibet and under this cow the 17th Kamapa was born. He later escaped to India. I think I saw him when he was 19 debating with other monks behind a wire fence Macleod Ganj and I hear from him 'nothing for me in this time', well that wasn't news to me; the first Kamapa had been a comtempory of Rechangpa. Millarepa still walks the earth.

Useless go to hell

Long live his holiness 14th the great Dalai Lama 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🌞🌞🌞🌙🌙🌙☀️☀️☀️🌈🌈🌈👏👏👏

Long live his holiness 14th the great Dalai Lama 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🌞🌞🌞🌙🌙🌙☀️☀️☀️🌈🌈🌈👏👏👏

Matter of money

Long Live His Holiness The Dalai Lama.

Chap so cha Rinpoche 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹

what about if both r not real.

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

༧ཏཱའི་སི་ཏུ་མཁྱེན་ནོ།

My question is to all great rinpoche how many karma pa will be there after this 17th reincarnation.

Maybe one Karmapa is not enough and the world would need hundreds ore more of them. (little joke, sorry)

Shamar Rinpoche speaks logically and believably. Very intelligent. Tai Situ does not give an impression of trustworthiness. Trunks full of Yuan, neatly stacked and organized have been found in monasteries under his control.

In this false film they state there has never before been 2 Kamapas this is false , I might also add that Kamapa &Shamapa are the 2 highest Lamas of the Karma Kagyu

Shamapa has always recognised the reincarnations of Kamapa , the Dali Lama has never previously done this he was duped

The one chosed by H Holiness The Dalai Lama is real one because the Chosed one knew one of their student Jamgun rinpoche gonna be reincarnate and saw in dreams about the location of reincarnation and approved it. If the Shamar rinpoche chosen was real then why didnt he got any dreams about Jamgun rinpoche one of the 16th Karmapa student.

I think shamar Rinpoche is in pobebly in hell 😭. OM MANI PADMI HU 🙏

I believe Ogyen Trinley Dorje is the real reincarted Karmapa...just look at the striking physical resemblance and identical mannerisms ...He looks exactly like the 16th Karmapa ..I am not a Buddhist but when i see the 17th Karmapa, i feel convinced that reincarnation is a real phenomena

Long life to Tenzin Gyatso 14th

So unfortunate what shamar rinpoche has planted, though it is much clear now in 2022 about who is who. I pray for him to work for the benefit of all sentient beings again, for the karma he has committed is very unfortunate. May the great lotus born master grant you insight 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

We believe only one .. Real karmapa...that is Dalai lama say

This guy's hubris is astonishing.

Now I feel Being Nyingma is more peaceful 😂 don’t have to fight what others are fighting for.

He is laying to say about Shamar Rinpoche.he is very bad Monk

I have great devotion for H.H.Dalai Lama, all those mischieves were created by those egoistic followers. Recognition of karmapa doesn't need permission and confirmation from h.h.dalai Lama. As to show respect for each other and to ease off the barrier between different schools of tibetan Buddhism and to promote ཆོས་ལུགས་རིས་མེད , they do go to meet with high lamas of diff schools, receive teachings and vajrayana empowerments. Dirty politics isn't making it anywhere, we could clearly see it. I am not a sadist to upon other's sufferings but it's time they reflect on themselves and their karma.

Situ Rinpoche said true

Łap się za różaniec ojciec.

The guy at 12:00 speaks about taking the Dali Lama to court... I wonder what type of court they have in Buddhism or Tibet? How would the Court in Tibet recognizes the laws of Buddhist religious declarations of lamas? I don't know much about the Tibetan country. But I think there is some separation between religion and the law of the country.

mis hermanos en el Dharma..., sois las valiosas joyas que voy encontrando..., en el sendero del camino..., hacia el abandono del sufrimiento de samsara..., y por el beneficio de tod@s l@s seres del ciclo de existencias..., podamos tod@s alcanzar la iluminacion.

mis hermanos en el Dharma..., sois las valiosas joyas que voy encontrando..., en el sendero del camino..., hacia el abandono del sufrimiento de samsara..., y por el beneficio de tod@s l@s seres del ciclo de existencias..., podamos tod@s alcanzar la iluminacion.

mis hermanos en el Dharma..., sois las valiosas joyas que voy encontrando..., en el sendero del camino..., hacia el abandono del sufrimiento de samsara..., y por el beneficio de tod@s l@s seres del ciclo de existencias..., podamos tod@s alcanzar la iluminacion.

Thanks for exposing disgraced shamar

shamar n charlatan thaye has reunited as a Himalayan cult with the sex maniac leader teaching the sacred secret tantric arts to privileged followers

Bhandari is just an fucking ass hole he doesn't know how to respect rimpoche

Zharmar Rimpoche ‘s point of view looks more political of issue than proving with facts. Particularly when he said “ Karma of Tsurphu can’t own land and can not change his citizen.I believe Karmapa doesn’t necessarily have to be Indian. Can reincarnate form any part of the world I guess.

shamar is disgrace to buddhism

When money, power and religion is mixed together, it will definitely produce human challenged!