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@captainmartin1219
@captainmartin1219 4 күн бұрын
Honestly the book is decent. Most of the books besides the one with cyclops have just been okay. These books are making me miss Krakoa.
@SugarSlayer
@SugarSlayer 5 күн бұрын
Kwannon isnt white now. Not sure what the video title is referring to?
@amarim8634
@amarim8634 4 күн бұрын
probably talking about how the artists drawing her
@SugarSlayer
@SugarSlayer 4 күн бұрын
@amarim8634 ahhhh Gotta agree with that!
@dennisgiglio2840
@dennisgiglio2840 6 күн бұрын
And nobody likes either one cause they both suck and are being force fed in the interest of DEI and lousy woke politics.
@bradford2764
@bradford2764 6 күн бұрын
This was such a shallow issue. I was expecting WAY more. The “psychic rescue” was lame. They didn’t even extract the intel, it was offered freely by the “trap” I give it a 2/5
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 6 күн бұрын
@@bradford2764 I get that, but the reason why I say the psychic rescue is better than the other ones is because in this one, we actually saw the two characters have a conversation and we got inside their heads. We learned something new about both of these characters. Kid omega, being rightfully, terrified of sabertooth makes him a bit more interesting and I want to know what would happen if he and Betsy were to get into a conversation about it. We learned that Revanche only sees herself as a weapon so and she kinda gets off on the danger so she is what I’ve always called her an action junkie
@ggt47
@ggt47 6 күн бұрын
Honestly this new era hasn't been that interesting.
@ggt47
@ggt47 6 күн бұрын
She become Betsy off panel?
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 6 күн бұрын
Then what was the point of separating her
@ggt47
@ggt47 6 күн бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen I don't know. Don't look at me. If I was in charge of marvel I'd just hard reboot everything. Like crisis on infinite earth's. This all too confusing.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 6 күн бұрын
@@ggt47 so you would do ultimate X-Men? I have no issues with the continuity. Just wish the writers would stop listening to Twitter and making decisions based off of it.
@ggt47
@ggt47 6 күн бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Yes,as I mentioned my own marvel (and DC) universe. I don't have to worry about previous continuity just my oent.
@ggt47
@ggt47 6 күн бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Own*
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 8 күн бұрын
Thank you very much
@Worldofantoine
@Worldofantoine 8 күн бұрын
Great interview!
@ezeant12
@ezeant12 12 күн бұрын
You can have a like for the intro, shit had me steppin
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 12 күн бұрын
@@ezeant12 that intro was hard though
@danw4490
@danw4490 14 күн бұрын
Yup. Not reading this! Great review!
@geraldford9266
@geraldford9266 14 күн бұрын
I feel like Ckye could pull Illyana if he want to & it ABSOLUTELY makes sense Beast would go dark.
@twinkthatloveslotrtrilogy7676
@twinkthatloveslotrtrilogy7676 15 күн бұрын
So he returned to his household after all
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 16 күн бұрын
Would you consider making a video on how Marvel/Xmen keeps disrespecting Rogue please? It was bad enough that Blue Origins made her lesser than as the adopted kid and retconned her adoption reason to being "saved from pimps age four". But now they are going backwards with her only solo comic being a Savage Lands comic with Magneto. We are tired of seeing Rogue objectified, exploited, degraded by male writers and not given the same respect as Storm and Jean. To add insult to injury, Beau De Mayo is trying to "take credit" Also in 700 her mothers abandon her so it pretty much confirms they were just using her. She was supposed to be wanted for her powers initially but then when they raised her, actually grew to like her and wanted to be in her life. Apparently this is no longer the case. Even in Destiny's case, I recommend you check out her interaction with Rogue in Necrosha versus her interaction with Rogue when she gets resurrected and you will see how disjointed and cold attitudes towards Rogue/ her role in the family have become. All new meaning was given to the fact Claremont once wrote that Mystique could kill Rogue in a simulation but not Kurt. Claremont now said that was a hint to Kurt being their son. Which is actually more toxic now cause what he is saying is Mystique could kill the other kid because she was merely adopted. Not because she was mentally ill and random af like we all presumed. These Tom and Jerry moments are also exhausting and just constant pitting of Rogue versus Destiny & Mystique. Rogue cannot catch a break. Uncanny was the best of the lot so far and now Tim Seeley is doing this?? The backlash to Savage Lands reboot caused the Deputy Editor of Collider to jump to his defense on X. Owner of Bleeding Cool has publicly jumped to Claremont's defense too. Neither Tom Brevoort nor the media are listening to the actual fans.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 15 күн бұрын
@@romy_edits definitely…. My mind is already working on it
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 15 күн бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Thank you very much. Would appreciate this. I hate when people say "you can just not read it". With Rogue the problem runs way deeper. Many male writers seem to enjoy stereotyping her as the scantily clad Southern hick and degrade her as such. Even Claremont has toyed with her, Xmen Inferno is where he had her get gang assaulted by multiple men with a collar on her neck in a prison cell. Ironic that Claremont has Mystique be so coddling and protective of Rogue yet she never even knew what happened to her to this day? It was one of the darkest moments in Xmen comics yet nobody talks about it and everyone still lauds Claremont as a great guy but nobody questions the stuff he has done too? Even with Kurt and Amanda and turning Margali into a bad mother so that he could excuse these two sleeping together and having no sibling connection. Spurrier liked that idea so much that he also wanted Kurt to have "desires" about sleeping with Rogue and put it on the page. This pattern has been going on and on for years with Rogue. I think people are finally waking up to how disturbing it is. It is 2024 and these guys still write with as much brazeness as if they were back in 1980. Honestly so so frustrating that she has become this kind of target. Especially when Rogue has so many female fans and her biggest, most well known fan accounts including Punkerduckie are saying no. Nobody is being heard. Not on brand for Disney either.
@armisteadgwathney6152
@armisteadgwathney6152 18 күн бұрын
I DON'T believe the real MCCOY is dead, I BELIEVE he is well hidden somewhere in his lab.Three people working together will find him BISHOP, ICEMAN AND WONDER MAN.THESE WARRIORS working together bringing in a brain would shock 😲 him and also bring him down a peg.
@xavierhollander6521
@xavierhollander6521 22 күн бұрын
The art is good I thought the story was generic We've seen this kind of story a million times And, yes,, the Outliers come off as a new New Mutants team I like Calico and Deathdream Ransom and Jitter not so much Aren't the Outliers getting their own book? Why give them their own team name if they're just meant to join the X-Men?
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 21 күн бұрын
@@xavierhollander6521 well it’s a better name than the new mutants and we know that they will never pass on it to a new team unless it’s for sure profitable
@malwr0nwind0z
@malwr0nwind0z 29 күн бұрын
The R Kelly line was funny. 🤪
@malwr0nwind0z
@malwr0nwind0z Ай бұрын
Nice quick video!!! I would like to see a longer more in-depth video on this topic.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen Ай бұрын
@@malwr0nwind0z I wanted to try something different and since this run is very young, there wasn’t a lot to go off of….. what topics would you like me to explore?
@malwr0nwind0z
@malwr0nwind0z Ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen A longer and more in-depth video about the Gender Divide topic, that you started talking about in this video. It can be 6 months from now after this new run has some more time to develop.
@ggt47
@ggt47 Ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen I'd appreciate in-depth video of each era of the X-Men. first class, second generation so on.
@ggt47
@ggt47 Ай бұрын
Hey,again friend. Not sure if you remember.
@ggt47
@ggt47 Ай бұрын
Things might change it is too soon to say but mutants were oppressed by everyone. Men,women, people of colour,pride community. Women were on that too.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen Ай бұрын
@@ggt47 yeah talking about this particular era…. I’m not saying women don’t oppress mutants. I’m saying we never see them.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen Ай бұрын
@@ggt47 I think you’re missing my point. This isn’t a story issue. This is a writer issue. It’s used as a narrative shortcut and insults the intelligence of the reader.
@ggt47
@ggt47 Ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Sorry I just commented to talk to you and from what I recall from one of your older X posts.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen Ай бұрын
@@ggt47 sorry for the defensive answer. Twitter got me very defensive.
@ggt47
@ggt47 Ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen "Twitter got me defensive". That's something someone has said at least once a day.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen Ай бұрын
That’s a common consensus because apparently he was supposed to know where his planet was and people really don’t like to think about how big the universe is
@joeparrigen4982
@joeparrigen4982 Ай бұрын
I don't think he's terrible. He didn't raise them because he thought they were dead and he was in a galaxy far away.
@aaronchandler8569
@aaronchandler8569 Ай бұрын
And I kinda liked the first issue
@Pope-of-Comics
@Pope-of-Comics Ай бұрын
This was a solid start to her run! Glad to see someone praising it.
@alaskafrozen4978
@alaskafrozen4978 Ай бұрын
I like where the new comics are going overall but my biggest issue with Brevoort is he basically said he is the pretend it didn't happen type of editor rather than fix other writer's BS then pretend it never happened type. So it leaves the characters compromised in my opinion when we are pretending like it's 1990 again but some of the characters still have gaping problems and wild retcons left there by clueless writers which need resolving.
@OneReply.
@OneReply. Ай бұрын
Good review, man. Keep it up. The issue was a bit boring for me personally. It felt like a lot of nothing, like a comic you'd have gotten from a cereal box as a kid.
@mariop8852
@mariop8852 Ай бұрын
I don't think wolvy is a bitch, I think writers painted future stories in a corner for him because they undid a lot of his growth from the 90. turning him back into a weapon means he has to start the same loop over of rebellion and mistrust of Scott. Schism was already a rehash of their beef but at least had the spin of wolverine being a headmaster. I'm looking forward to his solo series because Hellverine has been good and it's always felt different from his team books even when the writing wasn't great.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen Ай бұрын
@@mariop8852 I swear these writers want to pretend Origin didn't happen
@romy_edits
@romy_edits Ай бұрын
Gail Simone was a let down with Rogue in the end. I guess it shouldn't be surprising since she once did a poll pitting Kurt and Rogue against eachother because Kurt is her favorite. Also the fact she said in old tweets she didn't like Gambit now suddenly loves him because she is paid to. She overtly sexualized Rogue with her lines - one line by a kid and another by old man Logan in front of her husband no less. Add to that she also got sl*tshamed by a dragon. I am so tired of it. Why can't Marvel just once hire someone to write Rogue who actually likes her instead of telling people who openly admit to having other characters they favor to write her as a lead. It never ends well.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen Ай бұрын
@@romy_edits I went into this blind and thought she did a really good job. It's clearly the best out of these From The Ashes books. It's having more fun than X-Men, better written than NyX and Phoenix and more sure of itself than X-Force.
@romy_edits
@romy_edits Ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen When you're the best of a bad bunch it's not exactly a compliment and neither is objectfying Rogue yet again when we had years of that already and that character deserves way more respect than that. Gail is very problematic and she was not the person for the job regardless. It's good that they are going back to nostalgia and the characters' true origins and this is the best we had in years but like I said, if they are going to hire yet another person to write Rogue who isn't respectful then that's tedious.
@romy_edits
@romy_edits Ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen I should add, Gail Simone patted Si Spurrier on the back and told him he did a great job. That was enough for me to confirm that Gail Simone is on the blacklist for me.
@alaskafrozen4978
@alaskafrozen4978 Ай бұрын
​@@romy_edits Si Spurrier was one of the worst, not a great sign.
@spinningtornado4543
@spinningtornado4543 Ай бұрын
​@@alaskafrozen4978 Somebody finally says it.
@eloah6004
@eloah6004 2 ай бұрын
🔥
@tman1782
@tman1782 2 ай бұрын
I feel you that the X-Men should not look that young but Stegmen is going for 90s X-Men style and i dig it
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 2 ай бұрын
@@tman1782 did you see magneto wearing a turtleneck with a sports coat?
@LouieRoño
@LouieRoño 2 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen 90s Cyclops is not a kid but a full grown adult.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 2 ай бұрын
@@LouieRoño I know that he’s a full-grown adult
@joeparrigen4982
@joeparrigen4982 3 ай бұрын
I hate the black and gray hairstyle. His younger clone ( Joseph) has silver hair. So it makes no sense why this younger version has Black and silver.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 3 ай бұрын
@@joeparrigen4982 I agree, it looks like he’s trying for a dye job or the lighting in the panels was really bad. That’s a Phil Noto trademark.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 2 ай бұрын
Noto is the equivalent of skin milk
@joeparrigen4982
@joeparrigen4982 3 ай бұрын
I think a big problem Marvel and DC have is a lack of good editors and corporate oversite (Disney and WB)
@aaronchandler8569
@aaronchandler8569 3 ай бұрын
There were so many parts of this that I agreed with, but it's not popular to say, saying some of these things that you canceled if you're a certain type of person. I'm glad you said it
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 3 ай бұрын
Terrible. Full of mischaracterizations, inconsistencies and characters swapping personalities. Also resurrecting Destiny for Nightcrawler and quickly realizing she is still useless
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 3 ай бұрын
If it were me, I would keep KRAKOA around, but put in a governing party that you can have do stuff in the background. I would’ve had some of the X-Men try to talk to beast because they dropped him so fast. Also, I would not have any writer on the X staff have a social media, social media is very toxic and finally I would start something from Marvel, where I would have the editor do a weekly Hour Q&A, where they give you hard answers to everything. People are not gonna like some of the answers, but they may love some of them. But also, I would have the X-Men leave the island.
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 3 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen It seems like a very limited concept if the main theme is a veil between the living and dead. It also feels like if Krakoa exists there's no stakes. I'm just not sure how much can come of this going forward. But I'm sure either way that there was a way this could have been excuted well but we didnt see that.
@spinningtornado4543
@spinningtornado4543 3 ай бұрын
My main issue with this era has been both in the setting, plot and characterization. The setting got broken apart during Krakoa with how many retcons it randomly chose to have. The timeline barely makes any sense to me now. As for the plot, you said it yourself, there were many elements set up only to be dropped completely like they were never there. And opposing that, there were moments where we had payoffs to no setups, making it all so underwhelming. Plenty of characters during Krakoa were rewritten from the ground up to fit the plot (as opposed to the plot being written for the characters), many acted out of character for no reason other than to go to the next plotpoint on a checklist and many were flanderized/reduced to one trait or motivation or thought process. Reading these characters during Krakoa and comparing them to who they were before this era is like night and day. Let's not talk bout the fandom, it's more split apart now than it's ever been and was the leading cause to many writing changes during the era from the backlash it kept generating when things didn't go its way. Social platforms during Krakoa really revealed how immature some at the X-Office could be and how easy fans could be manipulated by empty words of less than mid writers.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 3 ай бұрын
You’re absolutely right the fandom is completely divided and it’s bad on both sides. I just wished we stopped seeing the X-Men being used as an allegory for people who have a different lifestyle choice. I wish we got some characters being called out in story, but you know that’s just me
@CinemaKingTheaters
@CinemaKingTheaters 3 ай бұрын
This next era needs to have better writing. It is especially true since the x-men are coming to cinema.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 3 ай бұрын
I’m telling you this era if it doesn’t do well it’s gonna get revamped by early spring to make away for the movie… They did the same thing for the first X-Men movie I remember that summer Claremont had just returned and we were on issue 102 when rogue and Wolverine had that fight over who was gonna leave the X-Men and the entire time I was watching the scene from that I kept thinking about that part. Sorry for the ramble there, but they either have a banger or they’re going to revamp it next year.
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 4 ай бұрын
The way they do a fanfiction picnic as if this makes it all better. Some readers clearly arent here for the storyline. But I'm not one of those people. For me the storyline matters. It's lame to see all these characters be mischaracterized and mishandled for no good reason at all. Some use the excuse that Marvel do retcons all the time. But this extreme that people are getting completely mischaracterized? I'm not here for it. Bring Chuck Austen back.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 3 ай бұрын
I’m with you, he came up with a story that people may be pissed off about but really it makes a lot more sense than this hogwash they give us do they think they’re going to LGBT community and that’s really weird
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 3 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen It does not serve the lgbt community at all. Maybe some only read for explicit scenes. I'm here for the actual people and to see a gay couple become so toxic towards eachother because they had to be mischaracterized for this retcon to "work" sucks
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 3 ай бұрын
@@romy_edits this is the agenda of the marvel office. They want to hit everybody because they know the comic books don’t sell anymore…. SMH
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 3 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen And Chris Claremont just wants to flip the finger at Chuck Austen. He went as far as ruining his own characters to do it but there you go. He sucks.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 3 ай бұрын
@@romy_edits I will give all the respect to the work that he’s put in, but his attitude towards other writers is very atrocious. Part of me is curious what he would do with the X-Men now it’s a more of a curiosity just like I would love to see what Hickman would’ve done, had he been able to do everything he wanted or what would happen with Scott Lobdell.
@nemostrangesonginthedirt8448
@nemostrangesonginthedirt8448 4 ай бұрын
Krakoa was too forgettable. I need to remind myself of everything that happened so I care about what happened. So much of it could have been trimmed down to only the good stuff.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 3 ай бұрын
There was some good stuff there in the beginning, but then every book became oh reason why the island was a bad idea or that self proposed isolation is a bad thing. I always thought it was good for the story of mutants, but then the rest of the world would have to change and none of the other books want to do that because Marvel is in this weird timeline where we always keep going to the past because we can’t go into the future.
@nemostrangesonginthedirt8448
@nemostrangesonginthedirt8448 3 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Marvel needs to maintain the status quo no matter what. There is almost no such thing as the future for them. Remember one more day?
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 3 ай бұрын
@@nemostrangesonginthedirt8448 but every future timeline is supposed to be dystopian? That says that they are afraid of the future because god forbid they take a stance that is later revealed to be wrong…. Nobody wants to be wrong nowadays
@CinemaKingTheaters
@CinemaKingTheaters 4 ай бұрын
X-men really needs to kick it into high gear. I also do not need a role swap of Xavier and Magneto like they are trying to set up. What do you want for Magneto, Xavier, and the X-men? Does kitty Prides father come back?
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 3 ай бұрын
What I want for the X-Men is for the books to be good… I kinda want a competitive atmosphere in the office. I want every book to not only be creative, but the artist and the writer to be hungry enough to want to have the best book.
@CinemaKingTheaters
@CinemaKingTheaters 3 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen That is a lot to expect from both Marvel and DC nowadays.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 3 ай бұрын
@@CinemaKingTheaters should it? I mean, doesn’t every writer want to be the best?
@CinemaKingTheaters
@CinemaKingTheaters 3 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Remember that DC and Marvel want what is best for their desires. It won't matter if its a good story, great competition, or even talent. They want their ship to sail in a way they approve. If it does not get approved by them its a no go bro.
@spinningtornado4543
@spinningtornado4543 4 ай бұрын
This issue makes you forget Exodus and Apocalypse are supposed to be fully grown adults who lived for centuries in the first's case and thousands of years in the latter's. It's almost like their temper tantrums are there to fill the page count.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 4 ай бұрын
They needed an action quota in every issue otherwise it’s too talky
@spinningtornado4543
@spinningtornado4543 4 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen They could have had the villains that were left in the WHR come back to try a takeover on Earth only to be stopped by the rest of the Krakoans and the Earth mutants. They did say they resurrected everybody, might as well show what could be the big problem in doing that.
@spinningtornado4543
@spinningtornado4543 4 ай бұрын
I joked about this on your review of FoHoX#5 but Nightcrawler's brain really does run on Internet Explorer for him to start holding resentment against Destiny and Mystique *now* after Gillen and Spurrier had him be all forgiving, hugs, happy and want to play family with them these past months. Even in the story, too much time passed for him for suddenly have those feelings : The retcon was in Spurrier's one-shot during Uncanny Spider-Man when Nightcrawler was clean shaved. He grows a beard again in the meantime until Destiny escapes the WHR then shaved it again for the Wedding Special only to regrow it again for Claremont's story... At least half a year passed between the moment he found out the truth and started holding grudges after already stating he forgives them and wants them in his life. You were right : He's nuts.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 4 ай бұрын
It was nice to have him push back, they are not giving kind of consequences for their actions, and this is a result of the editor just Lau, allowing the writers to do whatever they want. If I ever got my hands on these characters on changing all this back, I don’t care the Twitter community essentially are being told because they are lesbians. Nothing they did in the past counts
@spinningtornado4543
@spinningtornado4543 4 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen I'm with you here because this retcons everything as far back as their first stories and makes them less interesting as characters, let alone villains. The fact they were forgiven this easily when their excuses and justifications were below mid and are just big plotholes is annoying. Nightcrawler here is just pushing back to create the illusion that there are finally consequences to their actions and what they did to him was bad and damaging when, really, the second he accepted to go on a picnic with them and all of the forgiveness he freely distributed since the retcon should tell you everything about where and when exactly his self respect drew its last breaths. With a retcon, Nightcrawler will look like a dumbass of course but that's his trademark during Krakoa.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 3 ай бұрын
Nightcrawlers life is so much worse now that he knows who his real parents are because he knows that they do not care about him. They will say one thing and do another and they love rogue more than him
@spinningtornado4543
@spinningtornado4543 3 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen The only real parent Nightcrawler ever had and considered as such was Margali Szardos, his adoptive mother, and because of Si Spurrier and his retcon, Nightcrawler doesn't care about his time with her anymore like he never saw her motherly love and care as something real : His relationship with her is just a footnote compared to the one with his new biological parents he got retconned to now value more than anything. Claremont couldn't salvage a story this bad and doubled down on the low effort it was all put together. Nightcrawler is now worse as a character, very shallow, not as self aware anymore and without any amount self-respect to his name. So much of his appeal was sacrificed for a stupid scrapped concept that wasn't even the original one. I can still remember him not giving two craps about his family ties to Mystique and Azazel back in 2014 because they were criminals first and foremost and he was ready to sent them to jail in a heartbeat... Where did that Kurt Wagner go ? The one from this story drops that he was tempted at times to murder people when he kept killing people in FoHoX and, in this same issue, just tore out Apocalypse's eyeballs.
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 3 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Mystique has stabbed and shot Rogue and tried to sleep with her boyfriend to break them up. So for Mystique to suddenly be a good mom who loves him sincerely is nonsense.
@aaronchandler8569
@aaronchandler8569 4 ай бұрын
To me,they're comparable after HoXPoX
@spinningtornado4543
@spinningtornado4543 4 ай бұрын
7:18 You're one of the only comicbook reviewers I've seen who wasn't annoyed that Nightcrawler was holding a grudge against his new biological parents. Also the excuse Mystique used about Margali Szardos keeping Nightcrawler hidden from them if they had tried looking for him ? It falls flat the second you remember Nightcrawler was a famous circus acrobat known around Europe and who had his real face on posters around every town it travelled to. It falls more flat when Nightcrawler was allowed by his kind adoptive mother to have friends outside the circus who knew what he actually looked like. Nightcrawler's childhood human friend even found him randomly during one of his out of town travels by accident (and had him he meet his young son). Also Claremont using Nightcrawler and Mystique's first meeting (7:18) which was during DoFP, a story where Mystique and Destiny created a dystopian future with most of mutantkind dead including Nightcrawler (one of the firdt mutants to go out) is the cherry on this joke of a mini story. 7:17 I agree their situation was forced and weird. Very out of touch with how Mystique knows about their situation in AoA. 7:18 This would have been so much better if Si Spurrier remembered this about them when he showed Nightcrawler's hot fantasies about Rogue in LoX#2 and had her be older than him in his badly written one-shot.
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 4 ай бұрын
Rogue was never older than Kurt. It makes me a bit sick that Spurrier quite clearly did not gaf about Rogue as a character but was happy to retcon anything about her just to make her a plaything for his Nightcrawler storyline
@spinningtornado4543
@spinningtornado4543 4 ай бұрын
3:05 It's not. + 3:06 It's really not. 3:48 It's a more than fair assumption to make and just so you know even tho Orchis is indeed an evil anti-mutant organization one mustn't sympathise with, most of the foot soldiers who joined it have been at the receiving end of mutant villains and had the all illness cure held above their heads by the Krakoa nation who welcomed said villains on their grounds. The humans who joined Orchis saw all the criminals, that either hurt them directly or their families and friends, go to Paradise Island and be pardoned with doing anything like jail time or community service. It's like watching the trial of a criminal who hurt your most loved one and ve pardoned by the Judge regardless of all the proof help against them. 7:18 Mother Righteous's death was as anticlimactic and predictable (the sollicites spelled out that all the Sinister clones would be gone) as the two different instances where Si Spurrier had her kill Nightcrawler's adoptive mother without putting much of a fight in one panel. Forgettable villain turned prop since you'd think Sinister would have given her the most powerful healing factor on Earth, seeing how she was made at the image of his deceased wife who died of sickness.
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 4 ай бұрын
Any idea if the upcoming Ultimate X Men comic by Peach Momoko is going to be set in a canon timeline or alternate universe? Seems like Rogue is a kid on the cover and possibly set in Japan so I dont know what to expect
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, its set in Japan.. It’s gonna be set in another ultimate universe. They don’t expect you to know anything which is cool but IDK.
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 4 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Shame cause it sounds cool. If we could swap this for a canon timeline and make the retcons an alternate universe that would be better.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 4 ай бұрын
@@romy_edits OK, I like this. I always have this theory about the 616 that the ending of every era is another timeline.
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 4 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen If Rogue spent some of her teen years in Japan I'm down. Honestly anything to undo what has been done. If Peach is good I hope they hire her for the canon stuff and that she basically undoes 10 years worth of garbage. I'm banking on her being smarter than the others too.
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 4 ай бұрын
Man I hate all the retcon and post retcon stuff. Do you know of any Xmen writers who would not be on board with it who could undo it all if they came back? Cause it's getting really bad.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 4 ай бұрын
Lol, if I was to be editor of the X-Men, so many people would be fired it would be crazy
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 4 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Is there one editor who is passing all these decisions? Because to me it feels like no editor even exists anymore, just free game for all.
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 4 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Genuinely what do you think the odds are of them undoing this retcon? Do you think if sales are bad they might? Are the complaints enough? Or could there be a writer that comes along soon and just finds it hard to continue a story that doesnt make sense?
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 4 ай бұрын
@@romy_edits for the last 10 years it was Jordan D White you know the guy who looks like a bisexual hobbit lol he’s an editor who lets the Ryers do whatever they want because he’s a Spider-Man guy. He doesn’t like the X-Men. He doesn’t understand them so he just lets the writers do whatever they want. Marvel needs a shooter, Jim Shooter. he was somebody who knew the continuity and didn’t allow characters to just get off Scott free like what Claremont wanted to do with Jean after she destroyed that Claremont just wanted it to go away, but Jim said no there has to be consequences.
@romy_edits
@romy_edits 4 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen That makes sense cause I came back to the comics after ten years and saw how bad they had become. What happened to Jim did he just retire? Why doesnt Marvel fire that Jordan guy? It just seems really messed up.
@spinningtornado4543
@spinningtornado4543 4 ай бұрын
4:16 It is indeed a little too much. I sincerely think this was just done as a way to top the Onslaught Saga's finale by giving us the same show but with none of the substance it carried. Like how it thought about including Cardinal in there when the plot forgot he existed since PoX and made his existence a plothole for the Nightcrawlers run of Sins of Sinister. 4:54 They solved the immense betrayal Destiny did to and hid from Mystique (since she made her get a mind wipe for it) for 35 years in one panel. They had Nightcrawler forgive Destiny and consider both her and Mystique as the best people and parents ever while they were at it, even though his first death in DoFP was because of them and he already died once for nothing in 616. They did all of this to sell their Wedding special issue at $9.99 which has Nightcrawler on the cover officiating it, all smiles. Nothing more, nothing less. Contrary to Xavier, Destiny got to leave all the horrible things she did behind her and go on scoot free. 5:35 Actually it's way way worse than that. The mutants in the Hot White Room have been set back to Square One for some but even more backwards for others like the many Morlocks stuck there. At this point, they might as well have never went to Krakoa to begin with because they were in just as bad of a situation on the island : One issue from She-Hulk revealed that, by the second Hellfire Gala, the island still had problems like large scale housing issues, meaning homelessness was a thing on Krakoa, a living creature which can create tree like structures with ease. The place still didn't have hospitals either nearly three years into Krakoa stating to welcome mutants in. The island still didn't have basic infrastructure like roads even before it fell. The people stuck in the HWR are a mix of heroes, civilians and villains which was the same status quo for Krakoa and the place they are in is as much of a lawless land as the island since the Legionaries were incompetent and many things slipped under their noses on a daily. All the civilians were already once sacrificed during the AXE event so they could be resurrected again as Nightcrawler's pointless Immortal X-Men issue showed... And it was for nothing. This finale is the second time Gillen massacres an entire mutant nation for a plot that makes it seem like it is no biggie. 5:43 Seeing how the civilians in the HWR had to ask the Quiet Council members what to do for food as if none of them ever had a life or skill, or mind of their own to try and be self reliant before Krakoa and its government came to existence or were ever taught anything on how to use their powers as a way to get around a few things here and there in the three years they were on the mutant island... Yeah. They are all doomed. 5:59 This is exactly why the finale ended this way : The sollicites for the July relaunch spoiled that mutants were near extinct (again), spoiled Jean's return as the Phoenix, spoiled her quest following her return after winning and spoiled everything about both FoHoX/RoPoX. Overall, I am so glad I made my new year resolution not to read anything X-Men related because this conclusion sounds so unpolished and disappointing.
@spinningtornado4543
@spinningtornado4543 4 ай бұрын
It has been my greatest pleasure following your reviews since the start of this year, like it has been the years before it : You always managed to elevate and be critical of the books you read as well as give some context and references to non-Krakoa storylines and runs for the watchers who might not know enough to realize the issues or plotholes with the way characters and stories were written. Your editing and videos have improved quite a lot since you started off too.
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 4 ай бұрын
Thank you! I really appreciate it. Learning how to editing and trying figure out my own style of editing. I’m gonna keep on going. It’s crazy day. Every other podcast sounds the same except me
@spinningtornado4543
@spinningtornado4543 4 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Good job really, you deserve the praise, especially for all the extra time you take in every comic reference you make. You always followed them with visual references (pages/panels), some context and the number of the issue in the run they appeared in, which I know takes a lot of work and researching. It really sets you apart from the many longtime comicbook reviewers who take comic pages/panels out to use in their arguments but at best, do not give the full context surrounding them (which would completely contradict the point they're trying to make at times) and at worst, don't give a clue as to where these pages come from so watchers can't even check for themselves and end up just taking the reviewers words at face value. So thank you for not falling for that trend.
@aaronchandler8569
@aaronchandler8569 4 ай бұрын
It was extremely lackluster and convoluted
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 4 ай бұрын
And that’s being nice
@CinemaKingTheaters
@CinemaKingTheaters 4 ай бұрын
It is finally over after all this time
@Livingmemoryofthexmen
@Livingmemoryofthexmen 4 ай бұрын
I know my friend… We have been hurting for so long but now we are free
@CinemaKingTheaters
@CinemaKingTheaters 4 ай бұрын
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen That is until they try something worse or better
@aaronchandler8569
@aaronchandler8569 4 ай бұрын
The ending of this was weird...I felt like there was a page or 2 missing