Here we go again.

Back here again.

Time to listen to this again

The desire for change clashes with the fear of loss that transformation might bring, with little genuinely new or thought-provoking being said.

Thank you Adam Curtis

You do not have have to even participate in the settlers political reality neither blue or red. Thats just like clicking in the internet feeding the system. More people need to realize this. Because ums politics is control opposition and both parties fool the people. Rise up against the 1%. Who are selfish and want everything for themselves. And want to own everything, even you within its system.

I haven’t heard of an idea worth giving up my individualism for

Strange that Adam Curtis didn't mention the very long history of utopian thinking.

From when the BBC actually had interesting things to show people

Burial and adam curtis seem to go hand and hand these days

Violence

That what's that track in the background

I'm not religious but what Curtis is saying is ultimately reminiscent of the story of Jesus Christ who gave himself up for the betterment of mankind

Adam Curtis is fundamentally Hegelian. What a genius man.

Listening to this almost 6 years since this episode originally came out hits different

The last sentence is the reality. The people on the margins, and the big powers will shape the world in the next ten years.

❤ amazing mind

I think people will always want change. As soon as that change happens, the novelty will wear off and they will want more change again. Its probably why alot of millionaires keep working. Retirement is boring as theres little change so they go out and try find problems to solve.

This idea of "giving yourself up for something bigger than yourself" - is the only solution for change, but the pervasive strength of individualism stops that. Completely.

The problem with big ideas is that they havent be tested, which is a scary thought. Any engineer will tell you that you dont get the best system in your first try, and there will be many tries, failures, dead ends and the occasional improvement in the way. This is what China seems to have gotten right. "We dont know exactly what we are doing so we are going to set up many different experiments in different provinces and learn from them". This may sound crude but it is infinitely better than tanking the whole global economy at once because of some derivative scam because nobody knows what they are doing but they are all doing it anyways and at the same time.

Resource based economy. ✊🏽🙏🏽

It's not that political change is scary. It's that communism is a failed ideology.

Would someone please post a link to the full interview? Thanks!

This might be one of the best clips ever from Chapo archives.

I notice he doesn't say what we would be 'giving ourselves up to' is. Anyone can be the critic, the observer or even a self-styled prophet. He's right that most of the 'solutions' that have been applied in the 20th century have backfired bigtime. He has no faith in evolution or natural rates of change, or in human-scale change. Technology is already propelling us at warp speed toward we know-not what.

My vision is better than your vision. And I'd rather no change than your vision. Words on eternal replay.

What is the music in the background

The thing is change is coming whether we like it or not. Climate change will lead to huge change and uncertainty. So we have nothing to lose. I'd far rather a new vision of the world that is from the liberal/left than what we are seeing from the right. Let's start imagining.

TL:DR Of Adams Curtis's film Cant get you out of my head.

total legend

China is the future

Who's here after 1/6?

Pressure for change will not come without (persona-mentall) discretionary energy reserve. This reserve is drained by real estate cost stress. Mortgage stress. Which is a harsh ratchet of a financial trap. Ratchet due to the lock-in of effect of MBS (Mortgage-Backed-'Securities'). MBS tie up real estate tranches of properties for Merchant bank trading 'purposes' (profiting). MBS tranches are rarely bundled back to market. The hot potato effect means properties (inventory in market terms) means foreclosed properties are empty for decades. Govt's could limit the size of these tranches to ease the return to true market signals. Over time even, gradually, to normaiize the return to a normal economic equivalence of costs of daily goods and service. This was not corrected by the lesson of 2007-8. Might learn from similar as predicted for next year?

nice clip could have gone without the stupid music

I have so many criticisms: - It's as if he were talking about change for change's sake. - He talks of liberals as if they were radicals. - Hesitation and suspicion to ideas is the basis of conservatism not liberalism. - His response is directed at the intellectually curious liberal middle class, not the working class who are, as he says, being 'led' by the right. This is another way of saying that the working class are stupid enough to be convinced by something not radical. Quite Leninist, no? - He thinks that millions of people being 'led by the right' is an indicator of the desire for radical change. He attempts to speak on their behalf. But maybe they don't want so much change or at least his kind of change? - Politics is not just about surrendering yourself to something bigger, it is also about proportionality. - Its almost as if he, and the editor of this video, were trying to lull his largely privileged audience into f feeling as though they have nothing to lose, even though the assumption is that they do in fact have a lot to lose, and quite possibly, a lot to be grateful for. I could go on. I thought that this excerpt is a really good example as to why the liberal left have done so badly in recent years. They are completely out of touch, thinking that by adopting a revolutionary mindset, one assumes the position of the oppressed and is therefore grounded in the harsh reality of the working class, thereby artificially enabling them to feel entitled, righteous, indignant and morally superior to those who oppose or disagree with them. In a word, its vanity, and much of the working class sense it, and quite rightfully despise it. That is why they choose to vote in ways that horrify today's left.

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Is the background moving for anyone else?

People harden up and go from being proper leftists to Liberals when they attain things like a house, a pension, a mortgage, stonks, etc. The best way to preserve the present system would be to give just about everyone a stake in it by giving them such things as ownership of modest housing, a pension plan, national health care, meaningful and at least somewhat pleasant work, and so on. And the oligarchs are going the very opposite of this. It's like they want Revolution. And the way people go from being proper Liberals to leftists is when no matter how hard/smart they work they can't get ahead but keep falling back, and they realize they have nothing to lose.

@doomer_slime you gotta put more videos with up with a golden channel name like that

This is the best Adam Curtis clip ever.

Enforcement of the law.......that's the big change.Dont allow people to get away with fraud,market manipulation,illegal wars,downsizing,asset stripping,the destruction of society,environmental pollution and the political agendas to reform society to make a profit.Its people ,countries,communities and culture that count ........follow the money ,it's easy.

I loved Burial before I'd seen an Adam Curtis documentary. Everytime "Forgive" comes on I can hear him talking. 2 of my favourite mediums entwined.

Part of me thinks the idea of whether or not we want change is irrelevant - maybe the time has come where we have to change.

Listened to the whole podcast a while ago and transcribed exactly that part. It's a terrific part of the interview. Thanks for uploading!

Attention Adam Curtis. I just love your doco: The Century of the Self. It should be compulsory viewing for anyone who cares about society and resistance to manipulating the truth. Now, concerning the present clip: I don't think the middle-class would have to fear much change if they united against the 1% -99% power inbalance that is devastating our world. All they would need to do is to unite to tax mutibillionaires heavily, make them pay the taxes they swindle away, particularly in poor countries and spend the money for the common good, infrastucture, education, public housing and health, and to combat climate warming.

If adam curtis hasnt been able to do it, we are in deeep shit

In terms of interviews this answer and the choice of background music is utter brilliance.

Here’s the text of what Curtis says in this clip. - You asked what real change might look like. And I think it's a really I mean, that is a really interesting question for liberals and radicals because there is a hunger for change out there among millions of people who feel sort of insecure and uncertain about the future and do one something, do want that change. - I think that change only comes through a big imaginative idea, a sort of picture of another kind of future, which gives people a sense, which connects with that fearfulness in the back of people's minds and offers them a release from it. That's the key thing. - But I think the question for liberals and radicals is that they are always suspicious of big ideas. That's what lurks underneath the liberal mindset. And the reason is quite right, in a way. Look what happened last time when millions of people got swept up in a big idea, look at the last hundred years of what happened in Russia, and then in Germany. The point is, is that change, political change, is frightening. It's scary. - It's thrilling, because it is dynamic and it's doing something to change the world, but it is scary, because it can change things in ways where nothing is secure. It's like being in an earthquake: even the solid ground underneath you begins to move and things dissolve that you think are solid and real. - And I think that the question liberals and the left have to face at the moment is a really such a difficult question, which is, do you really want change? Do you really want it? Because if you do, many of them might find themselves in a very uncertain world, where they might lose all sorts of things. I mean, what we're talking about, in many cases is people who are sort of at the center of society at the moment; they're not out on the margins, they would have a lot to lose from real political change because it really would change things in the structure of power. - Or, and this is the brutal question, Do you just want things to change a little bit? Do you just want the banks to be a little bit nicer, say, for people to be a little more respectful of each other's identities, all of which is good. But basically, you carry on living in your nice world where you tinker with it. That's the key question. - But you can't just sit there forever worrying about big ideas because there are millions of people out there who do want to change. And the key thing is they feel they've got nothing to lose. You might have lots to lose but they feel they've got absolutely nothing to lose. - But at the moment, they're being led by the right. So things won't remain the same, but society may go off in ways that you really don't want. So what I think, I mean, in answer to your question, hat you need is a powerful vision of the future--with all it's dangers. But it's also quite thrilling. It will be an escape from the staticness of the world that we have today. And to do that, you've got to engage with the giant forces of power that now run the world at the moment. And the key thing is, in confronting those powers and trying to transform the world, you might lose a lot. - This is a sort of forgotten idea, [which] is that actually you surrender yourself up to a big idea. And in the process, you might lose something, but you'd actually gain in a bigger sense, because you've changed the world for the better. I know it sounds soppy, but sort of this is the forgotten thing about politics, which is that you give up some of your individualism, to something bigger than yourself; you surrender yourself, and it's a lost idea. And I think, really an answer to your question is, you can spot real change happening when you see people from the liberal middle classes beginning to give themselves up to something, surrender themselves for something bigger than themselves. And at the moment, there is nothing like that in the liberal imagination.

Zizek 101

Do we really want change?