You've said a whole bunch of random things.... most having no serious foundation. I wouldn't talk about but just ONE of the many random things you've mentioned: The term "Hmong" was NOT "coined" with Vang Pao or "coined" around his time, which was just the 1940 - 50's.... The 1940s-50s were my parents and grandparents time. My parents were, of course, babies & toddlers, in the 1940s and 50s, whereas Vang Pao, born 1929, already was in his late teens to early 20s, in the late 1940s to early 50s, around the time the French were about to be defeated in/around Dien Bien Phu! Again, that was NOT the time the word "Hmong" was coined as you glibbly babbled here. I am the 6th generation being born in Laos, late 60s, around the height of the Vietnam War (1968-69), when the push by the Viet-Minh & their local comrades, the Pathet Lao, into eastern and northern Laos were so persistent, Vang Pao and the CIA started to evacuate tens of thousands of Hmong from Xiengkhough into northern Vientiane (the Vang Vieng-Kasi-Salaphoukhoun-Long Cheng mountain ranges... for better defense).... We --- individually and as family members ---- still remember, through actual FAMILY history, the NAMES of our the great, great, great grandfather who left Yunnan to what's today Oudomxai (borders Yunnan). And all of the names of the SONS descended from him.... That Hmong who left Yunnan in the 1800s.... gave birth to our great, great grandfather, who have birth to my great, grandfather.... From Oudomxai, my great grandfather moved a bit down to northern Luangprabang, to give birth to my own grandfather, whom I knew until I was 7 or so before we left Laos. Zero of those IMMEDIATE ancestors of mine --- or the immediate ancestors of ANY HMONG I KNOW OF (many also being able to trace actual Hmong ancestorsfrom southern China to northern Laos, since the 1800s) ---- ever called themselves "Maio." "Maio" or "Maio-Tzu" is an IMPOSITION on the Hmong, by the Hans. (They do that to, they did that with, ALL other ethnics, BTW... so they didn't pick the Hmong to be treated with "special" consideration.) Hans, even in 2025, for example, REFUSE to call people what they want to be called, of WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY CALL THEMSELVES. EVERY SINGLE PEOPLE and NATION on earth, EVERY BROADCASTER, for example, referred to the great Hmong Gymnast Sunisa Lee --- the first Asian woman ever to win the All Around Olympic Gold Medal in Gymnastics, in the 2020/21 Tokyo Olympics (no Hans or Thai or Japanese or Koreans or Vietnamese or Indonesian has done it, although their numbers range in the TENS of millions to 1.4B Han Chinese) ---- as a "Hmong," once she introduced herself as one. NOT the Han Chinese or their news broadcasters. They all referred to Sunisa Lee as a "Maio." Hans are just very overtly, obnoxiously recalcitrant: they're going to LABEL and call you what THEY WANT... not what you refer to yourselves among each other, as members. That's usually how POWERFUL or racist people operate. Racist Whites in Europe and in the US, for example, call Blacks the N-WORD, even today. They call Asian either "Sand N----s" or "Mongoloid" or other names. That's just how rude, racist, recalcitrant people operate.... Most people, in 2025.... have gotten the MEMO of MODERNITY ---- the memo on how "polite society" folks operate ---- and have chosen to call (other) people what THEY WANT TO BE CALLED, of what they call each other among themselves... You go anywhere on earth.... when you come upon Franks, Brits, Germans, Dutch, Nigerians, Argentinians, Canadians, Japanese, what-not, you say, "I am Hmong.... like Sunisa Lee, the Hmong American woman who won the All Around Gold Medal in Gymnastics, in the 2020/21 Tokyo Olympics..." and they all say, "Oh, okay.... so you are a HMONG like Sunisa Lee, eh?" Again, NOT the Han Chinese. You tell them that and they say, "We don't know any Hmong; but we know MAIO or MAIO-TZU, in southern China.... the 5th or 6th largest ethnic minority in China..." That's the attitude of the Han Chinese. True, 2,000 years ago... true from the 16th - 19th centuries... and true today, 2025.... P.S. Lao didn't call Hmong "Maio" or "Maio-Tzu" like the Hans. Lao called Hmong "Meo" or CAT .... the Lao writing is this: ແມວ RACIST Lao still, in 2025, call Hmong "MEO".... but it's largely done in private or behind Hmong's back, when they think Hmong are not within ear-shot. Most polite/educated Lao, however, also have moved on, like all other people and are now referring to Hmong as HMONG, as Hmong ALWAYS have referred to ourselves. Now, if YOU said you EXISTED 100 years ago or 500 years ago or during Shi Huangdi's time... and the Hans were correct... that my ancestors, THE HMONG, called each other "Maio" or "Maio-Tzu" and that's why they, the Hans, also adopted that term... then, okay, you're a time traveler, something I am not... so I wouldn't be debating or educating a time traveler, who obviously knows more than I.... P.S. The accent of the Hmong Chinese singers in these contemporary songs (at the end, below), from Yunnan, are as naturally Hmong Chinese as they come. They are NOT Lao or Vietnamese or Thai oriented. Or Western Hmong... IN TERMS OF METRIC used/followed by these Hmong Chinese artists/singers. Hmong from Laos, from Thailand, and from the West use very different musical metrics (rhythms)... from vocalization, to lyrics, to musical arrangements... because we have ADOPTED Southeast Asian and, then, Western METRICS... They are purely Chinese oriented, as people who've never known any other land except "China" which also is the Hmong's ancestral land. We didn't for example, move to southern or central China, from Papua New Guinaa or Japan or Argentina or Poland or Mexico or Thailand... Our ancestors left the Middle East, around 45,000 to 50,000 years ago and they ventured northerly, from the Iranian area, into the vast, cold "Central Asia" steppes and, from there, they ventured, slowly, EASTERLY into central China... similar to the ancestors of the Han tribes.... Anyway... on Hmong in southern China: Some groups, we totally understand; other groups, not so much... but they all are Hmong (and, yes, there are Black Hmong, Green Hmong, Hmong Dawb, etc.) I DOUBT VERY MUCH these Hmong Chinese (singers below here) "slipped in" that "Hmong" word just to make 500,000 Hmong in the West happy... when over 95% of the various Hmong groups still are in China... albeit, having been slowly pushed southerly the last two thousand years, even if originally we likely came from lands between the Yellow and Yantze Rivers... as carefully noted in our DEATH RITES & RITUALS, when an elderly has passed on.... that is, noted by the elder or "shaman" person who is responsible to "guide" the deceased elder's "spirits" back to the land of Hmong ancestors.... in such rituals, both the Yantze and Yellow Rivers are mentioned.... they are important, spiritual, ancestral crossroads in the Hmong scheme of creation.... The "spirits" of those deceased elders, therefore, are told to carefully navigate such mighty rivers, in order so they may safely "return" to be with their ancestors, Hmong ancestors.... The Mekong River, in Southeast Asia, for example, is NEVER a part of such a sacred death ritual..... even though we modern Hmong in Southeast Asia actually CAME from lands around the Mekong. But rituals to "send" or to "return" "spirits of elders" --- who've passed on ---- back to be with their Hmong ancestors are, obviously, about ANCIENT TIMES and ANCIENT LANDS.... (that is, they are not about modern times and modern lands, which we sometimes refer to as "temporary"... as roads or passages we use, from one day to the next, from one generation to another.... to get to where we are headed, in our perpetual migration across and around the world, both literally and figuratively.... things we've been doing since our earliest of ancestors WERE STILL IN EASTERN AFRICA).... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHuufWOsmJV-hpI kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGK8fZmDbLymn80

@@kiabtoomlauj6249 dayum homie you lit that dude's ass up lmao. good read. im fascinated by our lost history.

@@gypsychrissi350 thanks for listening! Sounds like I need to run more analysis over the audio!

was made using aya-expanse

1650 it was the Manchu who invaded North China.. Chinese lost North China... the Manchu was in control in Northern China 1650..

South China In 1650 was under the protection of the 4 generals