For this fight specifically your group is stacked when you are taking the large damage from rifts, you can never gaurentee dreambreath goes on the person your stasis has engulf on, and if your engulfs hit people without Dreambreath you do not get the Consume Flame AoE healing. Dreambreath on yourself will always get the full mastery value as well, meaning maximum healing from your consume flame. Basically just a way to gaurentee that i always get the largest consume flames, and that my Engulfs always hit a target with dreambreath.

@@youtee_UToh wow okay thank u so much for info! I want to main pres next tier

Can’t you just echo yourself?

@@PapaSnurp echo'd dreambreath doesnt carry over buffs like Call of Ysera, or our New 4 set. So you are losing out on a monumental amount of healing from an echo'd Dreambreath vs a Hardcasted Dreambreath

@ oh dang guess I've been missing out lol thanks for the explanation

Yes please, that Cell profile looks really clean and would be nice to have as a stand in healer for princess :D

Haha "truly casual group decided that 5 healers are needed" lol - didn't like most of the top 100 guilds use 5 healers?

@@matthewjamesmjw4172 yeah feels weird calling out the safe way as casual, but what can you do *shrug*

@@larsice9 you are the one that said it, though.

@@matthewjamesmjw4172 true.

Method raid tools. You have to set it up yourself tho

@Byderr thanks ill look it up =)

I'm not a Cell user but you can hopefully find a buff slot for it that you can move to the center of your frame. It should 100% be possible.

I'm afraid we only play healers!

Rank 2 Spiritbloom guarantees two Afterimage procs on yourself and so it's a lot more Lifebind healing than rank 4 is. It doesn't matter ALL that much since higher ranks also give you 1-2 extra Spiritbloom bolts but that's why rank 2 is being used so much here.

Cheers. We'll keep it in mind when we make the 11.1 version.

Echo -> Dream Breath is ok for rot damage but on Broodkeeper you need both burst healing and maximum HPS - both of which Lifebind combos do way better. If you want to remove absorbs from egg breakers you want to do it now, not in 20 seconds.

This is actually Grid2 but I can definitely link you a profile if you like it.

​@@questionablyepic That would be awesome if you could! Just getting into pres and struggling a bit keeping with keeping a clean look on who does and doesn't have echo, lifebind etc. Started proc on myth brood now aswel

Not as Chronowarden. You do cast it quite a lot as Flameshaper and in Mythic+. You just have stronger Echo choices as Chronowarden like Lifebind (Verdant Embrace), Spiritbloom and Dream Breath.

We do, though I tend to just memorize mine instead of using weak auras that call them out though the weak auras are very good for sure.

Also for this fight, most healers are going to use their biggest stuff for canister breaks. In other words, the assignment generally is: use everything large during canisters. This build allowing rewind to be used reactively is pretty cool!

You can definitely play Chrono on it, but I'd recommend still casting reversion on tanks quite a bit since they tend to get smashed.

@@questionablyepic worked fine!

I beg that they fix as soon as possible. I got hit by MANY swirls over progression.

Same happened to me many times. It's so distracting and makes seeing other mechanics so much harder. It's asinine it's still around.

I actually relogged right before this kill pull too and still got hit with it. Insane.

For Echo I just use the Grid2 indicator in the middle. I also opt to change my frame color to that pale Yellow to make it easier to tell at a glance who I haven't hit yet. All frames will have some version of it, which are you using?

The reason for a rank 2 spiritbloom is it guarantees you are hit by both Afterimage Living Flames and those transfer through Lifebind for a lot of healing. There's a 3 Afterimage cap so with rank 2 you'll get one on a raid member and two on you (one baseline and one from Echo). Rank 3 is ok too - you'd lose one Afterimage on yourself but gain 1 smart heal Spiritbloom bolt. Let me know if that doesn't make sense since it's a little complex.

Are you always echoing yourself after VE before you SB? ​@@questionablyepic

@@questionablyepic Thank you for the detailed explanation! It makes a lot more sense now. Keep up the great work on the channel!

Yep ideally. Sometimes you will misplay and forget to save enough Essence for it - in that case I just let Spiritbloom fully charge instead and release at R3/4.

Yep it's still good. I'd say particularly so on Rashanan, Princess and Queen. The other fights I think Chrono is better for your progression but if you really love Flameshaper then it definitely still works fine.

More coming up!

Haha yeah it's also common to 3 heal the Mythic fight like you see in the vid which is very good for HPS too.

For the challenge! I did it as Devastation first but Pres was honestly a more satisfying kill.

Cheers, we'll consider that a secondary market

Hopefully we end up in a place where you get to make an interesting decision based on the fight!

I'm Preservation in this video so I remove it with regular dispel (Naturalize). If you're Dev you can use Deep Breath and alternate with Brann.

Cheers. Much more to come.

Bugs were fixed 2 weeks before the nerfs.

Yeah the bugs were like 5-6% healing in a vers-heavy setup. The spec was definitely just overtuned in addition to the bugs.

I think there are still a few obvious Flameshaper fights like Rashanan so I wouldn't cross it off your list just yet.

Yeah they took away the only thing we were good at. Blizzard braindead.

It's severe, but honestly the bigger surprise is Evoker ever went live this powerful. Scheduling some raid tests later in Beta might be quite useful.

?? your guildees suck

Nah you’re full of shit

With the Hero Talent lifecinders from flameshaper you can!

Yes and it’s amazing. Do it!

yes i usually use it on tanks when they are about to get hit big and its a lot of healing it can even be like 15% + of your overall healing in short fights

You can always use renewing blaze on someone else with lifebind. Works since DF release

That's a bit different. Lifebind shares damage YOU take with Renewing Blaze. That would be useless for tank healing for example but Life Cinders is very good there since it's based on damage THEY take.

Nerf doesn’t hit until reset. Lol

@@nickv3085 brother we can compare current logs with the upcoming nerf? I’m saying “even when the nerf comes we will still be strong” You good?

For sure we will still be very strong. If you apply the nerf to a good Flameshaper fight like Princess then they lose 400k HPS or so but should still be close to #1. Not to mention Chrono might swap in for a few bosses too.

yeah specially since the healing must be interrupted and evoker interrupt comes back every 5 business days.....

@@Ap3n562 That's been changed so his timers better match different classes with varying CD's.

@@Nick-pq5po I'll try it now then.... when did this happen?

@@Ap3n562 couple of weeks ago already