12BH7 or 12AU7 in a Micro Amp
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We Three Kings Jazz Style
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Pre-War Model D tuned down a bit
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Pre-War Guitars vs  Some Others
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New Camptown Races Mic Comparison
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Happy New Year - Auld Lang Syne
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@jeffreywinsor350
@jeffreywinsor350 17 күн бұрын
Is it just me of did the prewar have better projection with a warmer deeper tone while the Martin was thinner on the high end. Both lovely guitars tho.
@lenorapfeffermultidimensio3155
@lenorapfeffermultidimensio3155 18 күн бұрын
So far, it’s been dreads, but I keep trying the smaller bodied ones too.m
@lenorapfeffermultidimensio3155
@lenorapfeffermultidimensio3155 18 күн бұрын
It is indeed a journey. Thank you
@mengskenon8090
@mengskenon8090 20 күн бұрын
Hi, I believe that A has a slightly excessive brightness in the 8000-12000Hz range, which leads me KM184 rather than KM84. Initially, I was more drawn to B over C because I perceived B to have a very little smoother sound than C. However, upon further listening, I discovered that B has a significantly more pronounced punch and a hifi feel in the low frequencies, with a noticeable 'boom boom' sound in every note. This might necessitate some low cut. Consequently, I find myself preferring C the most.
@mengskenon8090
@mengskenon8090 20 күн бұрын
but I really like the mid range in B, very smooth transformer sound.
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 19 күн бұрын
@@mengskenon8090 Thanks for your discerning ears and comments. In the next couple of months I should be receiving a newer version of Mic B that will be improved. I’ll be sure to do another comparison video to see if it seems like an improvement or not.
@dryflyelk
@dryflyelk 20 күн бұрын
you're going to have a friend down the street with a Brazilian Pre-war pretty soon... 😀
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 20 күн бұрын
How soon is soon!? Christmas in August! :)
@bobbybo3458
@bobbybo3458 22 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video! Just wondering, did you at some point before this video cut or elongate the string slots in the bridge or ream the bridge pin holes to bring the string ball up to the bridgeplate?
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 22 күн бұрын
@@bobbybo3458 yes. The holes in my bridge are slotted. My bridge pins are not slotted. Incidentally, I need to make a new video because I’ve switched to a much better way of re-stringing.
@bobbybo3458
@bobbybo3458 22 күн бұрын
@@BoydTimothy I'm sorry, I misspoke. What I should have asked you is do you cut a little extra wood from the ramp that guides the string down into the bridge pin slot? All of the other videos I have watched included that step, and also reaming the bridge pin slots.
@bobbybo3458
@bobbybo3458 22 күн бұрын
I should say cut or saw some wood from the bottom of the string ramp, since the bridge pins are unslotted, the windings on the ball end of the string have room to pass up through the bridge. I hope I'm not confusing you. I'm confusing myself, lol.
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 22 күн бұрын
The holes are large enough that the ball end easily pass through and then get pushed forward when you put the bridge pins in. The guitar in the video I didn't slot (it came that way), but I've done it on a couple of other guitars. When cutting the slot, I didn't add any extra room for the ball. You want the slot just wide enough for the string to fit through. You push the ball end through the same hole that the bridge pin will go through and then after you move the string into the slot and pull up (to make the ball come in contact with the bottom of the bridge plate, the bridge pin holds it all in place. Am I understanding your question ... and does that make sense? :)
@PiesAndPasties
@PiesAndPasties Ай бұрын
It has a nice warmth to those P90s. Im not yet convinced about the 5-way switch, though, and that pull knob.
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy Ай бұрын
@@PiesAndPasties yeah, I’d like it better with a standard 3-way switch.
@ukeplaya1
@ukeplaya1 Ай бұрын
Great video!
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy Ай бұрын
@@ukeplaya1 Thanks!
@Wesquire
@Wesquire Ай бұрын
Got them all. The dreadnought sounds scooped and has substantially more attack/edge while the OOO has more roundness and balance. Dreadnoughts are cool for strumming but I really prefer OO and OOO for fingerstyle and flat picking.
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy Ай бұрын
@@Wesquire Wow! Great work! I really need to do some more recording with that 000. It’s a keeper, for sure.
@Wesquire
@Wesquire Ай бұрын
@@BoydTimothy They are both nice, I just prefer the roundness of the OOO; however, that does mean a bit less "Hi-fi" sound while strumming.
@soapboxearth2
@soapboxearth2 2 ай бұрын
The lar mar is definitely the best master for a non master fender or marshall. I was recently reading that a vox cut control works well with them. I miggt try it in a future build. I'm guessing it componsates for the perceived loss of treble when you turn the vol down
@hotlov72
@hotlov72 2 ай бұрын
Problem with the Prewar company are the 2 biggest everyone has : Time and/or money
@Christ-is-King-
@Christ-is-King- 3 ай бұрын
Sounds like some buzzing coming from the 000? I don’t know
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 3 ай бұрын
Could be. The strings have less tension because of the shorter scale length. If you whack it like you can a dreadnought with medium strings it’ll definitely buzz a little. :)
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 3 ай бұрын
Answers: Mic A is my DIY Graeme Woller PCB w/ Takstar CM-60 donor body, 3U Capsule, and 3U Transformer KM-84 clone. Mic C is the Microphone Parts SDC-84. Mic B is from a new surface-mount based PCB that a friend from the Netherlands has been experimenting with. It’s got a T-8 transformer and using the 3U capsule. That one’s still under development, but the great thing is that it has exceptional rejection of cell phone interference.
@fo76
@fo76 3 ай бұрын
I got 5 out of 7 right (#1, #2 wrong)... I like the sound and looks of both styles equally, but I tend to prefer to play 000 models... I think Dreadnaughts require higher testosterone levels and lots of chest hair for playing... 😀😀
@KillLightuk
@KillLightuk 3 ай бұрын
Would love to know which was which. I just bought a pair of MP SDC 84s
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 3 ай бұрын
Just put the answers in the comments. Thanks for asking!
@gaylebuchanan3362
@gaylebuchanan3362 3 ай бұрын
You are amazing. I enjoy you very much
@pankajjoshi2032
@pankajjoshi2032 3 ай бұрын
I tried the standard 000-18, and it sounded horrible-I could barely hear it. It is not suitable for fingerstyle playing. Thank you.
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 3 ай бұрын
I should mention…the mics shown at the end are NOT in the order of Mic A, B, C.
@longprairieofficial
@longprairieofficial 3 ай бұрын
What was the second tune?
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 3 ай бұрын
“The High Road” by Tim O’Brien.
@jeremyschuhmann9671
@jeremyschuhmann9671 4 ай бұрын
My conclusion from this video is that there really isn’t much of a difference in sound between the Pre-War D-size and OOO when you mike them the way you did (i.e. not really close-miked), capo them up the neck, etc. I guess that if you mostly play unamplified at bluegrass or old time jams, having a really loud dreadnaught could really make life easier. You left out nut width/string separation as a variable, which has a lot of importance to finger-style players (most dreads have 1 11/16” nut while OOOs are more likely to to be 1 3/4”). You also muddied the water somewhat by putting mediums on the OOO (who puts mediums on a OOO? I would argue that most OOOs aren’t built to take mediums). I think that the fingerstyle vs plectrum playability is the main reason to have both. My desert-island guitar is an OM (OOO-size with a long scale and a 1 3/4” nut).
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comments! My studio is currently torn apart waiting for new carpet, but I’d love to add a follow-up video to this one. I have much better microphones (some DIY KM-84 clones I made) and a good way to stereo mic my guitars. My two guitars featured in this video both ave a 1 3/4” neck and the exact same bridge spacing. You’re right, I ventured out of the norm by using mediums on my 000. My particular 000 handles mediums perfectly. The purpose of my video was to keep as many things consistent as possible and in this case, the woods are the same (both mahogany back and sides and Adirondack tops). For sure, they’d sound a lot less different if I put light gauge strings on the 000 - but then I probably wouldn’t play it as much (personal preference). Haha.
@Lutze_en_voyage
@Lutze_en_voyage Ай бұрын
@@BoydTimothy Hi Timothy. Thanks for this nice comparison. 🙏 Just a few moments ago I saw some other videos of you. One where you're comparing this two guitars with a 000-18 and a HD-28V Clone. And one where you compared the Pre-War Mod. D to your former D-18 Authentic 1938. So to my ears all were absolutely stunning and beautiful sounding guitars...at least all the hog ones 😅Is the neck of your own Pre-War Mod. D with its 1 3/4" nutwidth more comfortable to you than the more modern 1 11/16" neck that you had on the Mod. D for temporary loan? Doesn't your own has a 2 5/16" bridge string spacing? Just curious how it works for strumming and flatpicking? Unfortunately there's no Pre-War Dealer here in Germany. Cheers
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy Ай бұрын
@@Lutze_en_voyage Thank you! The Pre-War Model D guitar that I ordered and own has a 1 3/4” nut width and 2 3/16” bridge spacing, which is right about what Martin has been doing with their more recent D-18 & D-28 guitars. I find that to be the sweet spot for me. The 2 5/16” bridge spacing, which is normal for vintage spec, feels a bit too much to me. The extra space from the 1 3/4” and 2 3/16” (compared with the 1 11/16” necks) seems to make flat picking a bit easier because you can play more “through” the string and my pick has a little bit more space to move around. I feel like I can flat pick more cleanly with the wider spacing. But, that’s just me. I had to special order the 2 3/16” bridge spacing, but haven’t ever regretted it. Strumming seems to work equally well for me on either width of the necks. I can get by with 1 11/16” fine enough, but I definitely prefer the 1 3/4”.
@Lutze_en_voyage
@Lutze_en_voyage Ай бұрын
@@BoydTimothy Thanks Timothy for your reply. Even if neck profiles are a very personal choice I found your descriptions and impressions of your guitar very helpful. 👍 It confirmed me that the combination of 1 3/4" and 2 3/16" would be the perfect choice for me too.. The 2 5/16" always looka a bit wide for me and I feel 2 1/4" bridge spacing is max for me to comfortably strum and flatpick. Good to know that it's possible to combine the two dimensions that your Pre War has. Didn't know because their website just lists 1 11/16" to 2 3/16" or 1 3/4" to 2 5/16". Did you paid extra for these specs? May I ask you what you're doing for a living? Are you a musician? Have a nice day.
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy Ай бұрын
@@Lutze_en_voyage The best way to find out if you’d like the spacing of the 1 3/4” nut and 2 3/16” bridge spacing would be to try out one of the modern Martin D-18 guitars. I didn’t pay extra to have them build that neck. It was a custom order and I gave them the specs I wanted on it. Both my D and 000 from them have the same spacing on the neck and bridge. If you put in a custom order and wanted the same neck, you can literally ask them for the same neck they built on mine (Boyd’s Model D) and they’ll know what it is. ;) I’m a software engineer by trade and am lucky to have music be a hobby. Yes, I'm also a musician. Look up the bluegrass band I'm in, Basin & Grange. We just released our first album.
@jameslawrencewirth
@jameslawrencewirth 4 ай бұрын
i got 4B, 5A, 6B wrong. I have a 2019 Martin D35. after a year of playing it regularly, it has opened up and sings loud & proud. I'll have no other, unless it is a custom build for about $8K! In which case all factory builds will fade and fail in comparison. I have a luthier here in N Texas, Ralph Walker. Noone makes a better steel string, classical or mandolin than he!
@scottbradford960
@scottbradford960 4 ай бұрын
Nice! Is the bridge slotted since you werent using the slotted pins?
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 4 ай бұрын
Yep
@alexsandoval7202
@alexsandoval7202 4 ай бұрын
Excellent specific video
@danz4904
@danz4904 5 ай бұрын
12bh7 sounds a bit warmer. Is this due to its larger plates? You won't get more power without changing the bias and/or increasing the plate voltage and/or changing the output transformer turns ratio.
@imherelul
@imherelul 5 ай бұрын
hahaha its wild theres a video for this. Its such a niche ting
@eyedunno8462
@eyedunno8462 5 ай бұрын
Not much a difference at all, the preamp gain tends to get muddy on the stock AB165 circuit without reducing the coupling caps, slope resistor and raising treble peaker
@walterearly55
@walterearly55 6 ай бұрын
My desert island guitar is a Zager ZAD80CE ! You can't understand until you play it. Zager is one of the best guitars for the money you could possibly buy.
@kojaniszewski
@kojaniszewski 6 ай бұрын
Damn, they sound great. I really need to give building my own SDCs a shot
@soofitnsexy
@soofitnsexy 6 ай бұрын
pre war sounded like cans of tuna fish....martin by farrrrrr
@Dumbfool125
@Dumbfool125 6 ай бұрын
I just subscribed too
@Dumbfool125
@Dumbfool125 6 ай бұрын
That is beautiful, could you make tabs for both parts or do something? I play everything bluegrass instrument but mandolin and fiddle, I lost my interest in learning mandolin because I couldn’t find any songs that called to me but this kinda regained my interest
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 6 ай бұрын
Awesome! Glad you like it. I haven't really ever made tab before and mostly just play by ear. But I did hear at a recent workshop that transcribing is a great way to learn. My best suggestion is to just try breaking down the melody on your own until you've got something you're satisfied with. The nice thing is this one doesn't really require you to move up the neck. Just stay planted in they key of A near the nut and you should be good to go.
@mtdong
@mtdong 6 ай бұрын
Wow! Indistinguishable to my ears (at least through YT compression)- definitely not a $210 gap. Nice build!
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! I originally had a couple things a little different and there was more of a gap in sound. With my latest "fix" (removing a feedback pad capacitor) I am now guessing it wrong a bunch with a blind test plugin in Logic. Pretty pleased with how the experiment turned out. I think one area where they may differ is in really low frequencies and higher frequencies ... and probably louder sources like drums and maybe brass. But, since none of that is allowed in bluegrass music, I'd say I'm pretty safe. :)
@sonatabigdeal8683
@sonatabigdeal8683 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! I've historically been a 00 and 000 fan but universally preferred the dread here. May be a convert
@jonathanray4598
@jonathanray4598 6 ай бұрын
As a power tube a 12bh7 puts out 5 watts of power a 12au7 is 1-2 watts.
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 6 ай бұрын
On paper, yes. In practice, I'm getting about 0.5w of power when measuring the 12BH7 with an oscilloscope. The amp is plenty loud for playing inside the house solo though!
@midnight4109
@midnight4109 7 ай бұрын
000 is easier to transport and to play with little sacrifice in sound, if any. Unless you are a professional playing on stage, or an exceptionally large person, 000 is much nicer.
@pickerman6344
@pickerman6344 7 ай бұрын
Nice guitars. I missed the first one, but got the rest correct! I've played dreads for a long time, but lately been playing something similar to the OOO. For me it's the slight "quacky" sound that I can be heard in the smaller body guitars, along with the bass response
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 7 ай бұрын
Nice work! For sure, most 000 guitars I’ve played have something quite a bit different than dreads. Most of the 15-30yr old Martin 000 guitars (before they recently changed them to thinner and scalloped bracing) don’t sound that great to me. I like what they’ve done in their recent builds and Pre-War’s 000, to me, produces quite an incredible clear tone.
@normanwylie1530
@normanwylie1530 7 ай бұрын
I got all 14 wrong? As with most guitar brands, there is only one good test, Play it yourself. Some "lesser " name brands have beautiful sound and action. Play a lot of different guitars!
@richardhare9163
@richardhare9163 7 ай бұрын
I have a 1970 D28 and a 1953 00021. I can tell the difference between my two guitars, but only got one correct with your test. My desert island guitar would be my Jumbo, though. Beats them both in sound quality and volume.
@Richard_Lush
@Richard_Lush 7 ай бұрын
I agree get both. On a desert island I’d have the Dread. It’s louder and may attract more attention.
@tobymoorhouse
@tobymoorhouse 7 ай бұрын
Great comparison.. further good work dispelling the myth that Neo speakers sounds brittle and harsh! (Neo convert speaking)
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! Yup, they are great! My favorite tone (at least for clean stuff) is probably the BV-30H, but for weight savings and 95% of the same great tone, the BV-60N wins for me.
@tobymoorhouse
@tobymoorhouse 7 ай бұрын
@@BoydTimothy for my tastes they are just all-round better speakers.. no compromise on tone, if anything more detailed and articulate sounding in the higher frequencies than ceramics speakers by direct comparison. The lighter weight has meant I've been more adventurous with the size of the cab I put them in, so if anything they sound better!
@tobymoorhouse
@tobymoorhouse 7 ай бұрын
​@@BoydTimothyhere's my tone using the Mojotone British Neo (plus an 18 Sound 12NMB420) kzbin.info/www/bejne/baPHfJeCjshnrJosi=o_TiTF1-xCvAI3oB
@ericmccarty6790
@ericmccarty6790 7 ай бұрын
Got all wrong except 3
@georgeabramson3088
@georgeabramson3088 7 ай бұрын
For a desert island guitar, I’d choose a 000. Not many bluegrass jams on desert islands! Plus I’d appreciate the shorter scale length/lower tension while playing the blues and awaiting my rescue.
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 7 ай бұрын
Let's hope it doesn't come to that, but great choice!😄
@Tylerlevy
@Tylerlevy 7 ай бұрын
I liked the neo creamback best in this comparison. But I’ve heard that they start to sound bad at high volumes. Have you experienced this?
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 7 ай бұрын
I guess I haven't paid attention to that yet - or don't play it generally at high volumes. I'll pay attention next time I have that speaker connected. Right now it's in a box because I prefer the other two.
@tobymoorhouse
@tobymoorhouse 7 ай бұрын
The only issues I get with my Mojotone Neo at high volumes is my band mates telling me to turn down!
@user-yt3rq2pw7t
@user-yt3rq2pw7t 7 ай бұрын
Darrol Adams used to sing this tune
@3rdtonefromthesun
@3rdtonefromthesun 8 ай бұрын
The British NEO was best for me well defined in every test and buttery bottom end, good modern vintage - not dissimilar to a Jensen Tornado Classic. The Vintage would have suited a Tweed amp tone - quite niche really, bottom end lacking and all about the midrange bark. Creamback NEO was okay, they do get fatiguing after a while.
@ironlionHQ
@ironlionHQ 8 ай бұрын
I've got a couple dreads....now I want a 000. I like delta blues and want to learn new techniques (fingerpicking and slide) I've also become quite found of folk, country western and bluesgrass. I used to play hard rock and metal, now I play bass in a church but in my spare time, I play my acoustics. I LOVE dreadnaughgs but I would like a slightly smaller guitar for couch picking comfort.
@danieleidet7131
@danieleidet7131 8 ай бұрын
For me it’s how comfortable they are holding sitting down and the 000 wins for me.
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 8 ай бұрын
Makes a lot of sense. The 000 definitely wins that battle! It's the go-to when you just wanna sit down and relax and play something nice.
@rblanks2050
@rblanks2050 8 ай бұрын
so the 000 has evo frets is that right? and from what i read you dont detect much difference in terms of tone etc?
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 8 ай бұрын
@@rblanks2050 That’s right. I sent my Dreadnought in for a re-fret also and had them change it to EVO fretwire. I’m sure if it were possible to play the same guitar back-to-back with standard vs EVO frets, you could probably notice a very slight difference, but my dread sounds the same to me as before. The EVO fretwire feels a lot smoother and peace of mind knowing I’m likely not to ever develop a buzz because a fret is worn out since they last much longer.
@scotthurst6273
@scotthurst6273 8 ай бұрын
I preferred the 000
@kennethelliott7410
@kennethelliott7410 8 ай бұрын
This test needs to be done differently. Far too many questions for someone to remember which guitar is which. You need to stop it after one maybe two to give the answers not wait so long for the results.
@pickerman6344
@pickerman6344 7 ай бұрын
he literally said grab a pencil
@markrobinson891
@markrobinson891 8 ай бұрын
Just had my bridge modified to use unslotted bridge pins. It’s been that way for a bit over a month. The first time I changed strings both balls on unwound b and e strings pulled off and dropped into the body. I’ve never had this happen in fifty plus years. I did find a “new” set of strings in a drawer that may have been there for quite a while ie old strings never opened. Could that be the reason for the failure?
@BoydTimothy
@BoydTimothy 8 ай бұрын
Wow, I’ve never had that happen. Maybe that particular set of strings you were using were poorly made? I’ve had really great success with D’Addario EJ17 strings or Martin Lifespan 2.0 Mediums.