I'm actually doing my dissertation on this topic, impact of BIM on the art of architecture design. I'm a student in BA Arch now but worked in BIM for 8 years, and studied Arch Technology and Interior Design before. Anyway, I agree what you said especially about the unsuitability of BIM in the artistic sense of developing a concept design. I would say that BIM was centred around a data infused model but these days BIM is evolving to be about information collaboration and management, the model is becoming second place or at least equal. The other point is that although BIM is naturally associated with architecture design , I don't think it was specifically developed for the concept design stage, it was for the procurement stages of Schematic design and Detail Design. That said, existing creative tools like Sketchup and Rhino are what I would use at early stage, the BIM side would just be the efficient collaboration through the CDE (Common Data Environment) Anyway it's an interesting discussion😊

thank you for this important conversation!

thanks for all the great content. just starting on the journey of tearing down my childhood home and building a new one. i've listened to 6-7 of your podcasts so far and am learning so much.

These recent podcast have really widened my perspective about what design-build really is. I also liked how Noah articulated his thoughts around his firms design process. I would like a bit more of an explanation about the conceptual approach to design Noah mentioned, this topic still seems a bit elusive to me, and I’d like to know how successful architects integrate it into their process. Great podcast.

17:32 If they were talking about the building being beautiful (facade wise, massing wise, etc) , then honestly yes it is relative. Of course, it also depends on how they come across with it. If they demanded the use of these principles in every design killing the freedom of thinking outside of them then that’s where I would disagree with them. However, if they recommended the use of these principles with design suggestions that would provide visual pleasure for the facade, or massing, then that’s relative to Architecture. While I agree that there’s still no objective rule to follow that would automatically make something beautiful, it doesn’t mean that the consideration of these principles while designing something during certain situations has nothing to do with Architecture.

Interesting topics and discussion. It resonates with some of Thomas Heatherwick's manifesto "Humanize" so not sure if either of you have been influenced/inspired by his studio's practice. As for favorite building, that a tough one as I concur with architecture centering on emotion so it like picking you favorite song or book. But if I had to pick on at this moment I would choice another Piano masterpiece, the Jean-Marie Tjibaou Cultural Centre in New Caledonia.

I could not agree with you more Marina, Architecture is the projection and solicitation of emotion.

An interesting discussion! Our current practice of architecture requires a delicate balance of implementing the principles of design while also listening to client biases (which at times contradict our professional understanding of architectural aesthetics).

99.9% of residential plans givin out by an architect are incomplete. They are missing plumbing, electrical pages, and specifications. I have reviewed and bid on hundreds of plans. In the commercial sector, it is different. The median (not the lower half) of general contractors will hire or work with an architect and a designer as the budget permits. Most Architects will design a customer right out of the customers budget. Then the mistakes the architect make fall om the General contractors shoulders to correct. Yhe architect will miss important items such as hvac chases, variations in wall thicknesses for plumbing, lack of clearances around doors for proper door swing and for trim clearances. Should you hire any general contractor to handle design, NO but the median or above should be competent and a good General Contractor will far exceed 99.9% of residential Architect.

This is an awesome platform would love to have you on our podcast sometime

Man life is tough, a student here with a stresk of over half a month of pulling all nighters this semester alone. They really killing us slowly, and my final jury submission is tomorrow, 1 day after another submission 2 days after another submission and 2 days agter snother and then 5 days left only for the finals, if i ever die before 50, the reason is these all nighters

I had no idea too. 😢

If I may play devils advocate? Isn’t intense dedication a contradiction to healthy work life balance? If architecture school is the introductory experience to professional practice, and schools claim to be concerned with mental / physical health and fair compensation, then should this process start in school? How can students develop a healthy relationship to their work if they are overburdened with information and assignments on a shortened time frame? As always, I REALLY value your podcast and your expertise in the field. And thanks for interviewing landscape architects as well as interior architects.

17:05 I can completely relate. Somehow I thought my concept was the most important part of a project. Almost as if THAT is what I was supposed to be refining and presenting at the final critique. I would get very philosophical and diagrammatic in explaining what I thought were revolutionary ideas, and completely lack in supportive drawings to present the actual building. Unfortunately, in later years, I got really good at cramming all of the technical requirements in during the last week or two before final crit, and I formed a terrible habit of over emphasizing conceptual ideas and racing through the brief requirements with a handful of all-nighters. I'm still trying to correct this habit with time management and calendaring tasks like you've mentioned. I also feel that bit of rage against the professors who had no idea how to put a building together. I still hold the belief that academia needs to better prepare students for life after school through actual real-world practice problem solving.

Never Never pay an Architect a percentage of total cost to build. If any Architect even mentions it, Just get up and walk away. If on the phone just hang up the phone.

Model: DGC68001BRWS Has this ever happened to you? There is a buzzing sound and then "Miele" displays then black then "Miele" then a white streak then black repeat. What is the fix? This is the 3rd time this oven has failed and maybe I just need to get something different. I wrote directly to miele but never have much luck with their CS, even when under warranty. I would just like to know if it is worth it to have someone out.

Lol i watched this once when i was in school going thru it and again just now, having since graduated, and it's still relevant. It's hilarious and interesting and very honest that you guys mention the contradictions of architecture, then proceed to attempt to explain it (which I thought ended up being exactly what it needed to be; as thorough as it was complicated) by inevitably contradicting yourselves. Architecture is a VERY dualist profession at its core, which is what makes it both lustfully intriguing and absurdly difficult. It's a rollercoaster of ups and downs but imo that's what makes it a career worth doing, it can always put up a good fight if your brave enough to walk it down 😆👊 i enjoyed the dual perspectives you both gave, coming from an empathetic view and making your way to the tough love -- that David Goggins type of 'just shut up and work' very endearing charm lol

Woooooowwwwwwwwww! I'm amazed, impressed, surprised and struck at the same time.. That's a well put sentence.

Yup! I would rather focus on creating big design ideas than focusing on graphic design presentation. Client's focus on their space not your presentation

Design development is tedious work and a lot of thinking

I really enjoyed this interview.Leo Marmol,is fascinating!

Great podcast as always 👏

Thank you for the excerpt, I am learning on the job as an architect now.

really apreciate this video, thank you very much

This was awesome, im not an architect but a landscape designer and this chat helps a lot

Great pod! One thing that has always bothered me is realtor fees compared to architectural fees. I am an architect in SoCal and constantly see realtors making 6% on home sales and architects making 10% on construction costs. Most homes that I work on the construction cost is 3-4M, the sale price though is typically 5-6M. Essentially our fee is the same as a realtor but the work is vastly different.

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Enjoyed this

Industrial design and architecture are actually very similar. I have concepts on architecture that uses industrial design thinking. I can’t do them on sites because I would need an architect’s license to do it. Now I know why some architectural firms are looking for industrial designers. Didn’t know when I was talking to one architect.

It’d be interesting to see to see you guys talk to Paul Basile

I would simply represent Art and Architecture as two independent but intersecting circles both with common cord elements and both with unique elements. One does not fully encompass the others yet one can incorporate the other

Let's be very clear. Architecture is not Fine Arts.... I learnt the hard way.... Many of the Architects are fine artists also, but that doesn't mean that the knowledge of Fine Arts can be put into such a real time practical field like Architecture.... Nope!!! It won't suit. Art is a tool, not a solution. It stays closeted....

Religions could all be toned down, let's be honest...

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Also - forma seems to miss a extremely important phase in environmental calculation - the disassembly of the building and of its materials when the building’s life has ended

I think its important to be skeptical of these ”AI companies”, if what he says is correct then it is fairly impressive yes. Though the generative facades.. what does that have to do with anything else that the program offers? Seems like bloated AI feature to me

I worked with architecture students. Wtf are they doing all day. They showed me like 10 projects they did. All simple shoe box designs. And for that you get bachelor's degree. Lost all respect after that for that profession. I respect and love old architecture but the modern designs mostly suck ass big time. In a lecture a professor even said that the architect profession will die out in the next 50 years.

😂 it's excruciating haha!

Sorry you may have covered it partly in the video, but let's say an executive architect discovers a functional flaw in the design architect's plan, and they notify them, but the design architect pushes back and insists that it stays true to their original plan; If its built and the flaw causes a failure in the building as time goes on, is the executive architect liable for the damaged caused? Think I saw Jonathan Segal mention a legal case between him and a developer where the liability issue was a similar scenario.

Can you clarify what u mean? I don’t think he said the cost of building is the same as the sale price. I don’t if understand how building permit fees don’t add to the overall project cost…. I mean, of course they do.

This guy is a liar !......the price of building is NOT the price of sale ...so Building permit fees don't add to the price in real terms....the super hot market place is the reason for the season Don't stupid and listen to this nonsense !

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I mean, sometimes residential clients don't really understand what they're meant to do. It's easy to forget they've often never done this before

such bad influence... all his projects get criticized for being bad for architecture

Architecture is unique like that. Similarly in fields like law, the service provider will hold some accountability for keeping clients on track, on a regular basis. But this level of consultancy and management must come at a cost. We are starting to discover the true value architects provide in terms of design for homeowner/business owners/developer’s investments. The architect’s fee needs to reflect this level of input for the output.

Jonathan Segal is a gdamn beast, holy smokes.

Great episode. I had Kevin for a few design crits back about 10 years ago. Shocked to learn of the death of the studio at Australian universities, but sadly I've confirmed this with some of my colleagues in our office who graduated more recently.

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Amazing podcast! I m a graduate architect but at concepts, I would always stuck!! thanks a lot!! Just one piece of advice to Marine.. what she says is not clear .. maybe it is her accent..

Yeah. As a person who knows very little about architecture, this seems right to me. All I hear about any modern building is how terrible various architecture choices were. But any ancient building is considered awesome. Is your tower literally kinda falling over. Amazing! Just stone triangles. Wow! Super tall wonder of steel and glass that does cool stuff with shadows and reflection? Terrible.