@@BFHPET These are still original horns section. But in my actual version I have used the SWAM Bundle.

Hey, Jan! Thanks for your comment! From what I understand, Anthony mentioned that he was relying on his memory since he doesn’t have the official track sheet. However, those who do have the official multitrack have documentation that aligns with what some people saw on Bruce Swedien's track sheet-specifically, that TRACK 1 was labeled as the synth bass with "JP-8." This topic is almost becoming a matter of belief. Some people think I don't respect Anthony Marinelli's work, which couldn't be further from the truth. I have the utmost respect for him, but I also have the advantage of having a good ear, and I'm fully convinced that Anthony was mistaken, especially regarding the Jupiter-8. Chris Liepe, who recently released a new video, has parts of the missing isolated tracks, where the bass is again labeled as Jupiter-8. (Though, he doesn't have the final master multitrack, as he was showcasing fan-made drum sounds) 😅

@@danieljoeschI totally agree. Another thing is that Greg P does not seem to remember himself playing the bass on the JP8? But who can blame him or Anthony since it’s such a long time ago. But maybe one day Anthony gets enough questions to force him reinvestigate the bass sound’s true source?🤔

@@danieljoesch unless he showed the full rhodes track and the bass :D

​@@jangayen I think Greg was being courteous not saying, "I don't think I have played it on other synths," referring to the bass and chorus duck lead synth. The same applies to Dr. Mix. You couldn't even articulate the chorus duck lead synth on the Minimoog because of the single trigger effect. The "duck lead" is played with connected notes, so it would lose presence within the whole phrase. As a result, both Anthony and Greg have played it differently in several videos compared to the final session.

@@jangayen I mean, he was gaslit for YEARS believing he played it on a Minimoog. It was Anthony who made him think it was the ARP.

I will share it some day, when the whole project is comming to an end. I just want to share my presets when I can present the success on the whole song. When I would share it before others would flood youtube with the work that took me months over months. I just worked on the preset shown on the video again. It has a new state of matching the original sound. I am really upset, people writing me to stop commenting on Thriller Bass was a Jupiter-8 and thinking I have no respect on Anthony Marinelli. But this is not true at all. I have highest respect of his work. There is one video he tells that he has been wrong on some suggestions. And he discontinued on youtube coming out with his and Gregs recreation on the song. I really don't know what he is thinking at the moment about this. You even don't need any confirmation on a tack sheet. You just will mention that this is the instrument. I got a contact to someone having a real Jupiter-8. I will update when he made his first success on it. I am using the Harrison 32C plugins to emulate the EQ on every single instrument. But Bruce Swedien had a "bass box", a tranformer putting alle synths bass through to get more saturation, and even recorded the synths with a microphone coming out of a speaker. So that's why the sound has an additional warmness.

​@@danieljoeschFair comment, thanks for replying, I look forward to your recreation it will no doubt be accurate and epic!

@@danieljoesch WOW are you going to use the actual Jupiter 8? very impresive! your recreation will be epic!

@@dantearts3831 We're using Arturia :)

@@nef.spring oh, anyways, arturia sounds great is you know how to use it correcly :)

W mans. I don't think Anthony has any ill-intent, but I do think that he isn't holding himself accountable for his error and is being dishonest at this point. It's very audibly clear that the ARP was not on the track!

I was on the verge of believing in blasphemy against Anthony, but given how unsatisfactory both Anthony’s and my own experiences with the ARP2600 emulation were, I’m grateful that @nef.spring reached out to me in an extremely respectful manner to draw my attention to trying the Jupiter-8! After just half an hour of working with the Arturia Jup-8 V, it felt like a revelation, and I’m so thankful to @nef.spring for that. It became clear that it wasn't the ARP2600 or any other synth, but indeed the Jupiter-8. All the sound characteristics match Greg Phillinganes’ playing style perfectly on the Roland Jupiter-8.

Hey Ian, this is from Spectrasonics Keyscape.

Hey Ian, I am working on a project together wit @nef.spring We will decide to share our work, when everything is finished. Thank you for asking.

@@danieljoesch Gostaria de falar com você sobre presets da HIStory.

can i contact you on discord?

@@tape_vault Yes, of course :) @jo_esch

Hey, I transcribed the Rhodes by ear, piece by piece. :)

@@danieljoesch Oh really nice, could you send me the midi file pls?

Hey @nef.spring I can only reciprocate! I really appreciate that we got to know each other and that you could share the new information about some misconceptions regarding the instruments with me. For me, it doesn't matter what status someone enjoys in the music industry; I trust my ears and take everyone seriously at first, even if I don't know them, who wants to share something with me. In this case, I had a strange feeling all along when I listened to the sound. The character of the ARP2600, whether TONUS, KORG, or Arturia, just doesn't sound like the original, no matter how many effects you add. The filter of the Roland Jupiter-8 in Unison mode makes the crucial difference. I greatly appreciate Anthony and consider it a great fortune that he makes these videos for us. Nevertheless, after 40 years, one can also have a false memory. This does not discredit his achievements and work. I am very grateful that we got to know each other and that you shared this information with me. And I am looking forward to further collaboration on our project to reproduce Thriller in our own way, solely with our modest talent and our ears. I have been dreaming of this since I was 14 and first truly listened to Thriller.

@@danieljoesch The pleasure is all mine; you are a beautiful artist and have an incredible way of doing things. This ‘Thriller’ “Recreation” is truly YOUR project, and I’m glad you’ve allowed me to help in some way.

Unfortunately; those with the full session aren’t allowed to disclose any information on how to get it, to prevent information leaks. I will say this: everyone I know with the full session does NOT believe Anthony, but rather the track sheet by Bruce Swedien. This is because the multitracks are literally spawned from that track sheet, so that information is treated like the word of god.

​@@nef.spring That's very sad, but it makes sense, because most of the multitracks of the songs from the Thriller album have been leaked and they want to protect the few that are left, but anyway I would pay anything to get the complete session. The only thing I have is the Starlight session, I made some missing tracks myself.And if you please know sometime where to download or buy the full session I would really appreciate it.

@@dantearts3831 Just in general, collectors don’t like MJ’s stuff leaking, because MJ didn’t like his stuff leaking.

Ahahahahahah

Hello Dante, I really love the way you worked on the recreation! And it makes totally sense to me! :) Anthony Marinelli explained in detail in a video why it couldn’t have been a Minimoog. I also tried to emulate the sound with Minimoog emulations over 10 years ago, but I never managed to capture the character of the Thriller bass. I don’t know if the plugin can disable the physical limits on demand, similar to Arturia, but the way Greg Philliganes plays the Thriller bass, namely legato, it cannot be a Minimoog. In the outro, the bass plays octaves C#1 + C#2, which neither a Minimoog nor an ARP2600 can do. One must clearly distinguish that while the Minimoog did function as the bass on the album "Thriller," it was definitely not used on the song "Thriller." Many people who know it was the Roland Jupiter 8 find it puzzling why Anthony hasn't corrected himself. There are some people who own a complete multitrack of "Thriller"; for example, at music fairs, the Thriller mix is presented on Harrison mixing consoles. And Bruce Swedien, during his lifetime, gave many lectures to music students and presented his track sheets. On the song "Thriller," one track was titled: "BASS: JP-8." It doesn’t require much interpretation to understand what that means. Additionally, you can simply hear the UNISON mode of the Jupiter 8 in this sound. The filter of the Jupiter 8 is a key feature of this synth. The difference is noticeable. The only thing one can still imagine is that Bruce might have interposed his transformer developed for bass sounds. Nevertheless, these are all characteristics that enhance or saturate the sound but do not fundamentally change the character and properties during playing. For example, the ARP2600 has a terrible transient attack when trying to emulate the Thriller bass sound. The Jupiter-8 hits almost too hard and cracks if the attack is not rounded off a bit. And all this with 8 voices. It's understandable that 40 years ago, with so many options tested, one might not remember exactly what was used in the end. I tried the Minimoog sound, even two Minimoogs, the ARP2600 - I also worked with effects to get closer to the sound. Anthony Marinelli had a KZbin live video where he even answered my question about whether pedals or effects were applied to the Thriller bass. He replied, no effects and no pedals are on the Thriller bass, just pure EQing through the Harrison 32C. I know that Bruce miked and recorded many synths through speakers. But that doesn’t change the fact. Additionally, filter keyboard tracking is demonstrably activated on the filter. Listen to the parts where Greg plays the bass up to C#3 in the higher notes. And try out the Arturia Jupiter-8 ;) Best regards, Daniel

@@danieljoesch So, Anthony deceived us?! LOL

@@roimrachok4367 I don‘t believe he wanted to fool the public.I think he was misremembering maybe from the starlight demo session and after beeing part of the Thriller 40th anniversary movie with the bassline and involving Greg Philliganes… it is kind of unpleasent telling all the people to have been wrong, later. In one video he was telling „In some parts we have been right in some we have been wrong…“ (note: starlight demo bass seems to be a JP-8 too with another setting)

@@roimrachok4367 Anthony has been told numerous times that he was wrong, but has made NO response or attempt to address this. He's also confirmed to me that the whole ARP-2600 thing was just a memory, and that he simply just doesn't remember using the Jupiter. It's human to make mistakes; nobody's perfect. So yes, he's wrong.

@nef.spring when the video of anthony marinelli's recreation of thriller is made public, probably a lot of angry people will come out to say that he missremember some synthesizers used on the song, which is unfair, as you said, he is human, it's more than 40 years ago, and it is completely normal that he made a mistake in remembering some things about the song, I admire his work a lot and I have learned a lot about synthesizers :)

Hey Andrei :) It‘s the Roland Jupiter 8 but in unison mode to get this sound of the „crying cat“ synth in the chorus. You need a sawtooth and a rectangle to get it and play with high resonance filter, attack, decay and sustain and modulate ist in some way. :) In my case it‘s Arturia‘s emulated Roland Jupiter 8.

Arturia does a great job in my opinion.

Behringer is working on a Jupiter-8 clone called the JT-16. I'm glad you came to sense with the ARP though. It's super obvious it wasn't the ARP, but so many people are denying it.

@@nef.spring I'm googling every single day in the morning and in the evening about JT-16 news :)))

@@danieljoesch When it comes out, we might be able to get even CLOSER to the track on the song.

@@nef.spring I hope Behringer is keeping the fair price range.

I agree with it as well. I have been in agreement since NEF first mentioned it to me. :)

I was really confused when Anthony Marinelli built the ARP2600 bass, and the Arturia emulation of the ARP2600 was closer to the original than his Tonus ARP2600. However, neither sounded like the bass on the original Thriller track. I was also surprised that he disabled the filter tracking, considering it's a key characteristic of the Thriller bass.

Hi! Thank you! This information comes from a track sheet from Bruce Swedien; I promise I didn't pull it out of my rear-end! The Jupiter-8 posses polyphony and voice dispersion capabilities that are impossible for the ARP. Also in terms of distortion, I think Bruce may have ran it thru pre-amps and saturation? Not sure but that's what I hear.

Hey @nef.spring I am currently having the same experience. Whenever I tell someone about the Jupiter 8 and even show them the comparison to the original, they still doubt it. Even though the sound is almost 1:1 compared to the original, unlike the Minimoog or ARP2600, without needing to add effects. I don't understand it; some even still believe in the Minimoog story...

@@danieljoesch Some people suffer from derangement LOL

@@nef.spring So you think Marinelli, who was there, is deranged? Bold strategy, Cotton! Have you two funboys taken into account that his 2600 was a Tonus model with the more Moog-like filters, could explain why so many people think it IS a moog? Seriously dude, what is this "documentation" you have that makes you think is proof it was a Jupiter? Something scribbled on a piece of paper at one session about a track that might have been erased and replaced who knows how many times before they ended up with the final track?

Also in the chorus, that Duck Lead Synth sound is also a Jupiter, not a Moog.

Your points are well taken and seem logical from various perspectives. Initially, I contemplated the idea that the octaves were produced using two separate recordings-one for the lower and one for the higher C#-although this approach seemed impractical and left me somewhat perplexed. Moreover, I have a great admiration for Anthony Marinelli, but it's noticeable that he couldn't replicate the sound precisely as it was in the original recordings. This was particularly surprising to me since he was physically present during the original session. Currently, I've managed to achieve a bass sound that is more akin to what's in the video, yet I still notice several distinct elements in the original recordings that simply cannot be reproduced with the ARP2600. The point you made about the Minimoog resonates with me as well, especially the absence of higher harmonics that I'm unable to extract from the two VCOs of the Minimoog, and these cannot be compensated for with EQ. Therefore, I'm inclined to experiment with the JUP8 emulation. ;) Do you have any insights into why Anthony might be offering a different narrative? Additionally, where did you acquire such detailed documentation, if not from the official keyboard programmer of the Thriller album?

There is one thing I have to add as an additional point. The ARP2600 has a very bad "unfast" /"unsharp" attack. And you cannot fix it with a transient shaper or a tranformer plugin.@@nef.spring

@@danieljoeschHi Daniel, I don’t know exactly why Anthony continues to push the narrative that the bass sound was the ARP-2600; I’ve reached out to him numerous times with friends and given him the documentation, and he’s only left me on ‘seen’. I don’t believe there is any mal-intent, although I’ve been ignored numerous times now. I simply think it’s just misremembered, as it’s been almost 42 years now since the album was worked on. The documentation I’m referring to comes from a Mix-Master Track Sheet by Bruce Swedien during the recording session; he published it in a very old synth magazine that has not yet found its place on the internet publicly. The track sheet was pulled and released in light of the SACD 5.1 mixes that were going to come out around 2001, but MJ would not green light this release. Unfortunately, the FBI raids on Neverland Ranch would cause this entire project to be shut down and put away, although the entire album had been finished by then.

I must also add that Anthony is correct about most of the tracks. The organ IS Synclavier, and the theremin is ARP. Other than that and the ‘Shooting Star’, almost nothing else is ARP on that song. The only thing on ‘Thriller’ that is a Minimoog is the Bass Sweep in the bridge (the one that literally resembles the THX sound). Other than that, nothing on that track is Moog.