Glad it was helpful!

Sure, Thanks for watching & glad you found it helpful

I’m not sure what you mean by this. Could you elaborate further?

Cool, thanks!

Right on!

I agree w/ you that dropping gear isn’t good… I am not advocating dropping gear by any means. I intentionally dropped that particular gear in order to get it out of the video since it is not equipment that I normally carry or use, and the drop distance was not of any significant height. That aside, the dropping of the gear is not part of the focus or intent of this video…. the skill of passing the knots however are.

Appreciate it thanks

Oooh boy I don’t know if that would make for a very entertaining video. But I’ll think about it. In the mean time the Ladder has 2x 300’ 11mm ropes, 1x AZTEK, 1x litter w/ manufactured 4-pt bridle, 1x patient seat & chest harness w/ Purcell, 2x 3-hole rigging plates, 2x ASAPs, 2x MPDs, 8x single pulleys, 1x double pulley, 2x Rescucenders, 20x carabiners, 6x 8mm Prusiks, 4x anchor straps, & about 8x 20’ long pieces of webbing. Our Heavy has all 11mm ropes. It includes a pre-rigged track-line system that uses 600’ of rope, a CMC CSR2 pre-rigged block & tackle 4:1 using 200’ of rope, AMKUS electric windlass, Harken/Skyhook winch, 1-piece titanium litter w/ full lashing system & custom bridle w/ a pike&pivot V-strap, custom pre-rigged highline carriage & reeving assembly, Spec-Pak w/ lifting bridle, SKED, about 4x 200’ rope bags & 4x 300’ rope bags, a plus-up VORTEX that has 2x blue a-frame heads; 10x outer tubes & 5x inner tubes; shorter “gimpy & stubby” inner tubes; spare pins & pulleys; & 4x custom 8mm guying Prusiks, 1x AZORP, 9x AZTEKs, a bag of 5x IDs, patient seat & chest harness system w/ Purcell, 2x spare full-body harnesses, I-beam anchor clamp, 2x load cells, 2x knot-passing pulleys, assortment of Pitons & Tri-Cams, 1x pilot throwline, 1x tower rescue kit that includes fall protection gear, 1x 200’ dynamic rope bag, 3x primary rigging bags, & 1x random overflow rigging bag. The 3x rigging bags consist of 165’ 6mm Powercord, plastic edge pro, canvas wrap edge pro, 1x large rigging plate, 1x Rescucender, 4x single pulleys, 1x double pulley, 1x ASAP, 1x ID, 1x Maestro, 4x 8mm Prusiks, 1x tri-link, 10x carabiners, 1x CMC flash hook, & a bunch of various lengths of webbing.

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I’m not sure if I have, but I’m aware that stacking rigging plates is overkill, & thus I’d call it a “novice” tactic… but the ones I used in this video were so thin that I don’t think it had any negative effect on the connectors. As far as the rescucenders go, I’m not worried at all because they are not part of any belay anchor system. Therefore they do not have the potential to see impact forces. The anchors for the control lines do have that potential & therefore I do not use rescucenders here, rather Maestros & ASAP’SORBERs.

@@Propeller_Head Thanks for the reply buddy. Appreciate it.

Yes, from CMC

@@Propeller_Head hey man thanks for all the time and effort you and your crew put into these videos. Super educational. Reignited my passion for this stuff and have been “nerding out” to a few of your play lists. Thank you !

Thanks, glad you’re finding it useful!

I think 24s should work… 22s are the shorter ones if I recall

@@Propeller_Head we have a surplus of 20s I think they’ll be a little too short though, I’ll have to try em out tonight when I get in!

Because this video isn’t about how to tie the Portuguese. I have a separate video on the Portuguese that you can watch

@@Propeller_Head I meant why wouldn’t you trust the Portuguese as much. You said you’d have reservations on it?

Some of those trusted anchor principle acronyms may be thrown into question w/ the Portuguese... It may not be truly redundant nor adhere to a "No Extension" principle. Rigging for Rescue did some limited testing on it here starting at 2:10: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmKpoY2NgtaqeZI

@@Propeller_HeadI see. Thanks for the info. What about a double Portuguese? Would that not work even?

Don’t know, haven’t done or seen testing, but I assume it wouldn’t make much difference. By “Double Portuguese”, do you mean two separate lines tied around the same object w/ separate Portuguese Bowlines? Or two lines in parallel treated as if one line, & tied? Either way, for me it seems overly excessive & if there was any doubt in my mind, I would just use a different knot to tie my anchor system focus together, such as the classic & straight-forward “BFK”. In my opinion, a Portuguese Bowline is only applicable/beneficial when tied into an object (not an anchor) that has two points you need to bring together to equalize such as a litter frame, inflatable raft, or the head of a multi-pod directional frame, etc. Anything beyond two points I wouldn’t use it due to increased complexity.

You are right, definitely something to consider

I would assume that your assumptions could be correct. I don't know if there are any manufacturers that will publish any tables or info on using these as high directionals because it's so variable & dynamic based on magnitude & direction of the resultant as a function of aerial angle & aerial extension. I think that training on both is a good thing because our environment is too dynamic & unpredictable to arbitrarily cross one option completely off the table & say "never". Different techniques are like having more tools in the toolbox... It's always better to have a multitude of options. But it's on us to select the best ones for the specific task & make informed decisions based on pros vs cons, & risk-reward analysis.

Thank you for your concern. I agree that helmets save lives & prevent injury & rest assured I always wear my helmet when we are conducting live rescue or training that doesn't involve set pieces that I'm narrating for the audience. So in this video, foregoing my helmet was a calculated & conscious decision, & unfortunate for you that it possibly may have diverted your attention away from the key rigging points & intent of the video. It's awesome that you have a keen eye for PPE & safety, but the intent of this video is to go through the Tripod rigging.... Also, as I'm sure you're aware, I am protected from falling down the hole w/ my fall restraint lanyard at all times (& that is the REAL hazard). Thanks for watching.

I’ve never heard of that. What’s an Arizona 7?

@@Propeller_Head forgive me if I mess up the technical details surrounding the creation of it; but from my understanding Arizona FD came up with a seven step progression to go from a 3:1 pulley system to an 11:1 using the least amount of equipment. Basically you need 3 single pulleys, one double pulley, 3 Prusiks, a MPD with rigging plate (or clutch or whatever), 5 carabiners, and an anchor strap with rope. You start with a 3:1 then add pulleys in different ways to get up to a 11:1. I was told they would test people by saying a random step and youd have to build it for proficiency. I have a good power point for it

I see. No, the gear on my sling wasn’t selected to do that, but it certainly could. It has 4x single sheave pulleys, one double sheave, about 65’ of PowerCord, 15x 40KN twist-lock aluminum carabiners, 2x Rescucenders, a Tri-Link, & a SwivaBiner w/ 3-hole rigging plate. Intent was to augment any potential shortages from our rigging packs. In reality for both real rescues & training the only MAs I’ve seen used were Simple 3:1 w/ & w/o a c.d., Simple 5:1, Compound Batwing 9:1, Compound Batwing 5-on-3 15:1, & the occasional Complex Inside 9:1 for short line tension transfers but an AZTEK is often used for that purpose. Doing complex 5s, 7s, & 11s is fine & dandy to get people thinking about MA but I have yet to see any relevant application in fire-based rescue. Mountain/Backcountry rescue however is a different story where those complex systems do have more applicability in that environment.

Thanks. No clue, they were sourced, cut, & sewn together by another employee for use in all our gear bags.

I think I might have mentioned it in a few videos…. “Whats on a rescuers harness”, “Passing Knots on Rappel”, “Passing Knots on Ascent”, “How Should I connect into my Rope Rescue System”, & I also use them in my High Angle Litter Rigging & Steep Angle Litter Rigging videos

@@Propeller_Head thanks!!

Describe “one point” a little more in depth. One point because all your connections are going into one point on your harness ventral ring? Or one point because the dual lanyard shares one attachment point due to the fact that the terminal end is a sewn eye into a single carabiner, instead of two completely separate lanyards through & through. While I don’t work as a rope access technician, nor do I evaluate any testing, my common-sense reasoning tells me that this is perfectly fine, regardless of what anyone or any other organization or institute thinks. Unless there is specific & repeatable testing that can prove that this is an unsafe practice. That’s what you were referring to right?

The single carabiner is the “issue”, harness attachment points are generally considered acceptable as a “single point.” Carabiners are not and I have had the same model twist lock open on me doing rope access style stuff, I caught it right as it happened and no big deal. That being said, I can’t sit here and keyboard warrior to say if your equipment is properly inspected and inventoried going to a single carabiner is unsafe in the aid climbing context (at least horizontal) because you are in often in plumb suspension. As soon as you go out of plumb and introduce more likelihood of some gate interference I think there’s reason to have a conversation. I do know of one (I would bet there are more) fatality that resulted from going to a single point on aid, however it was an anchorage failure, not the technicians equipment. If you aren’t doing rope access under some formal org that requires adherence to strict guidelines then who cares.

Right on. Thanks for the insight. I agree the twist-locks can be dangerous in the wrong set of circumstances. Theoretically most styles of carabiner gates can be unintentionally defeated. But I do love the twist-locks for ease of manipulation for most things (not all things though; I did have one gate open up where a tensioned line pressed against the gate & began to roll the gate open). Also agree on how things change the moment you are no longer plumb. As far as a purely horizontal aid application goes however, if you combine a Progress-Adjust-I lanyard with a Progress-Adjust-Y lanyard, & you are executing proper sequencing as you progress through the anchor points then at no time should you ever be connected to any fewer than two anchor points at any given time w/ two completely separate lanyards to include the pair of connectors into your ventral ring. This applies for moving in either direction (left-to-right, or right-to-left)... If at any point in time you fell or lost balance, you would always be connected on two anchor points with two separate lanyards & two separate carabiners that go to your harness.

@@Propeller_Head in order to move either direction you must at some point remove the progress adjust-I lanyard, leaving one connector from the progress adjust-y lanyard to your harness. The adjust I lanyard will still be connected to the ventral ring but not anchorage. You have 2 anchor points and one connection to the harness. You then regain that connection before you go into motion, which is why in all reality this is probably totally good enough. That’s where the problem would be on evaluation day.

You are correct. I know how to get passed it though…. How about taking a Prusik & hitching onto the Adjust-Y lanyard, then attaching that to your harness with another (3rd) carabiner?

Your welcome… Credit goes to Rigging for Rescue where I first saw it, but learned that they actually got the idea from some random ski patroller somewhere in Colorado once upon a time.

Maybe for the catenary angle at the top, but I was aiming for the angle of the foot of the latter at the bottom relative to horizontal..... It was actually around 56deg, about 10deg too shallow/acute

Worth a try, especially if we were gear-limited & did not have a tag line or an extra person to manage the tag line. However, if those two resources are available then the tag line option it is definitely a simpler approach. But I like the creativeness.

www.yatesgear.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=316_319&product_id=579

Glad to help!

Teaching classes? That's why I make the videos... & they're free!

In this video I have no slings for gear... unless you are asking about a gear sling that I show in another video, which is made by Metolius

@@Propeller_Head 🤣Yes Was supposed to commented on "What's on a Rope Rescuer's Harness? ... It Depends" auto play must have got me before I posted it! Thanks Bob!

I guess anyone can make anything they want. Your question is both fairly specific but also vague. 85+ feet is a long way to go for a minimalistic self-rescue kit. Also, who will be needing this? A firefighter or just a resident or office worker in a high-rise building? From a firefighter perspective, there are a handful of manufactured “bail-out” kits designed for firefighters to self-evacuate from an elevated window or roof. These systems are limited because firefighters have a lot of weight and other things they carry in their turn-outs, so space, weight, & bulk are limiting factors that typically limit the diameter & length of line to around 7mm of 50ft. With these kits, you can lower someone else to the ground first & they will need to detach so you can get the terminal line back & anchor it to the structure so that you can then rappel out, assuming that you have time for that. There are just so many variables & factors that go into that, it’s hard to give a simple explanation or solution.

Thanks!

Thank you

No, different canyon

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks. I see your point on having that primary working line connected higher on the sternal point instead of the ventral point to ensure a more upright position in the event of unconsciousness…. agreed, also an acceptable option

Thanks! It’s manufactured by Yates. We have the same problems & frustrations in our organization. We are hard on our gear & don’t have any separate rope gear dedicated to confined space. I cringe when I see people grabbing webbing, cordage, & ropes that are in our rope rescue bags & start using them in vehicle extrication & trench applications.

We thought about it but didn’t want to inadvertently leave knots in the line just in case someone forgot to untie it before raising the next person… for fear of getting hung up at the top of the VORTEX… but a good thing to consider for sure

Thanks, & spot-on observations. Under normal operating & training conditions, as well as when we teach, we are also tied off on fall restraint systems when near the hole, however in this video if we omitted that then that was by design because it interfered with our ability to get the video content & narration I was looking for. But yes you are correct. You are also correct on the connectors. Technically if we want to adhere to strict verbiage of OSHA then all the carabiners not only need to be auto-locking but also have that beefy 16Kn gate strength. Most all of the auto-locking carabiners that I use in other videos are my own. My department only has screw-lock, which are common for many fire departments out there….. There’s the letter of the law, then there’s the spirit of the law.

Right on!

Thanks! All valid points. I just showed the 2:1 for consistency & familiarity, as it seems to be the most well known & widely used technique. We’ve moved away from attaching directly to the airpack frame after there was a training incident some years ago where the pack frame broke (& don’t know the full details however).

So true! Thanks for watching Sir