@@ianmanners2614 Hi Ian, I’ve done 70 miles in then. The width overlay hotspot disappeared after about 20 miles. I’m considering using them for up and coming Beachy Head Marathon due to being lightweight and nimble over hills. Either these or the Zinal 2 like last year. Tbc

@@ianfraser747 thanks Ian, let’s see over next few years, certainly a great location/event. Hope you’re running is going well.

@@BenNotley cheers Ben, I’ve been meaning to get a video out for a while. Will trim it a bit when I have the time. Top performance on your recent ultra 👏

@@chrisshaw2810 cheers Chris, Lizard point to LL sounds great. The ARC50 is awesome race esp the first 50k of it (if weather plays ball). Have a good week.

@@olivervarney2032 Thanks, onwards mate..

@@TheDeterminedRunner Thanks! Trust the process. Hope your running is going well.

@@markoljustina best wishes for Chicago.

@@tomharvey-run thank you 🙂

@@rmsrmsrmsrms half size down was correct for me. I had to send them back for refund due to getting really bad blisters on inside from the carbon wings coming up the side wall of upper. Shame as the rest was fine, although could have been a bit lighter weight. I have fairly wide feet esp left foot.

Cheers Ben, there is always a trade off to get the weight so low. They def felt good when picking up the pace and engaging the plate/foam. Sole durability may not be the strong point.

They are more durable than they look. ​@@tomharvey-run

@@BenNotley cheers Ben, tbh I would not pay original full price as minimal tech in midsole. Certainly high quality materials.

How are you getting on with the Tecton x3?

@@tomharvey-run only done about 50k in the tectons so far. Want to keep em in reasonable shape but they are a really decent shoe. Very comfortable.

@BenNotley They look good. Save some midsole bounce for race day 🙂

@@lukecotter169 Hi Luke, stability wise the mid/forefoot strike area is pretty wide and generally stable but the heal is narrow and high stack so may be a problem on uneven technical terrain. They also have a distinct rocker to get you onto forefoot. There are cut outs at sides showing the rods that make them a little less stable.

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Thanks for message. The ‘Big Half’ tune up race today went ok so kind of on track for Berlin.

Thanks

Cheers Ben. Hope all’s well.

Thanks, a lot has to fall in place for that time 🤞🏼

Thanks

@@liamhockey9189 sounds good, best wishes for your ultra. I’m training for a few road marathons at the moment so focussing on speed. Good to mix it up 🙂

@@tomharvey-run yes variety is the best way, good luck with the training.

@@jb1876 I find the the Lightstrike pro softens up over time.

@@guzgrant I have wide feet and the original Ultra version too. I feel the new Agravic Speed would be good but there are a few low overlays at side that could be a hotspot at the start until broken in. Took me about 20 miles.

@tomharvey-run Thanks . I will givev them a go . Majority of my daily runs are between 10 -15 miles so I dont really need too much protection .out of interest , why did you send the ultra version back ? Its for me a bit of a waste to own a more cushioned uktra shoe just for events so I generally just stretch out my daily shoe on the day and accept the tiredness as inexorable.

@@guzgrant the Original Agravic ultras were sent back as the UK9 came up too large so had to size down to 8.5. They are my go to race day shoes now for 50-100 mile races. Recently got won and CR the Uk Ultra SD100 in them. I’ll also wear them for Lakeland100 next week.

@tomharvey-run Just watched that video ,congratulations that's impressive stuff . So would you say it's worth having both shoes then or could I stretch out 50 milers in the lighter non ultra version ? Best of luck at lakeland hope you get to consolidate that winning streak .

@@guzgrant Thanks for watching video and reply. The Ultras worked well for the 100 with large rocker and cushioning on dryish trails to protect the legs over such a long distance. The Agravic speeds could stretch out to a 50 miler, the foam is a firm responsive ride and may feel it in the legs in latter stages. Great for getting up/down hills for racing dryish trails. I wore the Zinal 2 for the ARC50 and they were pretty low stack lightweight shoe. Felt it at the end. Guess it helps to have a good form.

@@re7qi yep I’m still using them for short faster dry trail runs. They seem fine, the upper hotspot problem settled after about 20 miles. The lugs wear out fast if used on road so I try to stick to trail.

I have a large rotation so currently they have about 60 miles on them

@@BenNotley Cheers, they are a lovely looking shoe and felt good on today’s test 15 mile road run strava.app.link/GEPefYiy7Kb

@@clivepreston2228 they are a grower for non technical trails and once foam settled in a bit. Cheers.

Thanks Ben, I’ve tried the adding the upcoming favourite segments to the watch and racing real time against the CR, but prefer learning them before and running the bulk on feel, maybe I’m too old school 🙂 Good to see your training is going well 👍 Thanks for the comment.

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It was the UK Ultra SD100 results.racetimingsolutions.co.uk/results.aspx?CId=16269&RId=1845&EId=5&dt=0

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Thanks for correcting me, cracking pace for that distance and vert gain 👍🏼👏🏼. Would you say the Speed Ultra has stable ride and will it handle the more technical terrain of the LL100, esp the first part with Blencathra, Black Sail Pass?

@@ianfraser747 I do feel the ‘speed ultra’ has good stability due to the width of the mid/forefoot landing area. This helps when running with good form. Long ultras hard to achieve with late stage fatigue. With regards to the technical terrain suitability, I have not managed to do a recce of the Lakeland course and first time competing so not totally sure at this stage. If really wet the lack of lug depth could be a problem but pace could be made up on the road/hard packed sections. Good question.

That is a great innings. Good value. Hope you are doing well.

V similar weight. I feel the MS4 has a far superior dual density Profly + midsole and better upper and aggressive grip. More flexible for technical terrain, a lot more comfy. Great for ultras etc.

Awesome. These or the Adidas terrex ultra 😛

@@jakegreenwood6331 Totally different types of shoes. 🙂 Terrex Agravic Speed Ultra for 50-100 mile racing. Lighter faster…Hands down. MS4 for training comfort workhorse and maybe technical downhills. I have thought abt having them in drop bag for late stage ultras but shied away at last minute for lighter faster Tecton X (not as comfy but more speed oriented)

saying that, I did wear the MS4 in the Pippingford BYU 50 miler as it was all about comfort and pace needed to be slower to manage time until next hour lap.

Hi Tom. Great video. I am looking for a second pair. Where do you shop for yours (especially at those prices)? Thanks

Cheers Ben. Funny how over time shoes can develop into the ‘classic’ status. Good to get value for the money spent 👍

I’ll try and ‘handle with care’ as they were not cheap. Cheers for insight.

I would stick with a size 8. I’m a 9 and they came up true to size for me. I do have fairly wide feet. Got mine from RunnerInn

Thanks 🙂

Totally agree. Looking forward to next race

I put in tongue pads to combat this. I have to do the same for the Pro 3 road shoes. Really only my right foot top tendons give me a problem but I do both shoes just so they don't feel different. This definitely makes it easier to get a proper lockdown for the descents (and to prevent heel slippage on the ascents). I love this shoe.

@@eric-running-to-chamonix that’s a good idea. Will research the pads as have had lace bite in other ultra minimal race shoes like Takumi Sen 9 and Vaporfly. Bit of comfort needed.

I totally agree, the SG is an amazing shoe: grip, weight, drainage. Has been my go to for short muddy races for last few years. The 190s are also a great shoe for minimal racing and lower leg training, forces good form and proper rock plate. I’ll keep an eye out for any for sale.

www.budoonline.co.uk/products/adidas-terrex-speed-pro-trail-running-shoes-trainers-mens-non-dyed-black Not sure how good seller is but, quick google search

@tomharvey-run amazing thanks. Never seen that colourway before, i live the fact that the speed pro sg and i guess these drain so well. I think I'll probably give the ultras a go as well.

Took x2 machine washes to get clean, bit of creasing on LS Pro foam and discolouration of exposed foam on sole. One way to wear out a shoe fast…

I had to send these back to Runner Inn due to outsole separation from midsole, got a refund. Short trail racing I have the Zinal 2 for now.

The Agravic Speed came in at 238g for UK9 standard width

@@tomharvey-run thanks very much. For some reason it says 270g on the Adidas website which just didn't make sense to me, being a lot less shoe than the ultra version

@@pete801 The ‘speed’ (UK9) is approx 22g lighter than the ‘speed ultra’ (UK8.5) 260g.

Haha production line…

Easy to take it for granted with other shoes over stability on technical trails. Maybe the bouncy foam will ease up a bit over time.

Thanks for the message. Purely on road they performed really well. The only noticeable difference would be the ease of high turn over due to the increased weight as an example speed ultra 260g vs Adios Pro 3 at 215g (UK9). The foam on road shoes tends to also be a bit softer as well to cushion off a stable surface.

To go even lighter e.g. Takumi Sen 9 at 198g the shoe just disappears on your feet and easy generate v high turn over for sprint finish shorter racing.

@@tomharvey-run That's helpful, thanks. I do enjoy the occasional road 10km / parkrun so think I will keep to having a separate road shoe for that. Would you take the Takumi Sen up to a half marathon/marathon or would you always stick to the Adios Pro 3 for those?

@@27johnny TS9 I would take up to half marathon (depending on how light you are, running form etc). Vaporfly also great for HM. TS9 shines at 5-10km. Marathon it’s hard to beat the Alphafly OG, Adios Pro 3 nice too for 26.2.