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@thomasherbert9970 Күн бұрын
Do you believe that the reason for the difference in sound is because 2002's a are cast individually and to a very strict quality control...where as other cymbal manufactures cymbals are cut from a sheet of B8 bronze and pressed into the shape of a cymbal before lathing?
@thetype85 Күн бұрын
All B8 is made the same: "continuous casting" down a chute formed into a thick plank, then cut in large sections, those large sections are cold rolled into a very long sheet and wound up into a spool. Discs are then cut out of it and sent to the cymbal company, this is where Paiste makes all the difference in huge amount handwork that goes into each cymbal. The biggest factor is the massive amount of machine hammering they do to shape the cymbal and create the basic tone or "temperament" of the cymbal! Paiste has also had the the most strict quality control of any cymbal company!
@thomasherbert9970 21 сағат бұрын
@@thetype85 @thetype85 Intersting, thank you for explaining. Playing for years but just now learning about the alloys. Amazing what Paiste does with B8. I purchased a 20" 2002 black label ride new back in 78'. I was surprised to find out it's B8...love that ride. All my other cymbals are B20 Zildjians from the 60's, great cymbals. Recently purchased a 20" Zildjian ride off FB for cheap, thought I was getting a good deal, labels were polished off and turned out to be ZBT Plus. First I'd heard of em...That's when I learned there's B8 and B20. That B8 sounds pretty zingy, worlds different from the 2002. Maybe Zildjian gave up too easily on B8. Thinking of turning the ZBT Plus into a wall clock. : )
@CampSwampy18 20 күн бұрын
Mr. Fritz: "B15 has both the nice cuttting-through frequencies but also a lot of middle" Spot-on. Love my Sigs.
@jimflys2 24 күн бұрын
In Junior high school, we had a set of 18" concert crash cymbals that were 602s. I remember then thinking how nice they sounded. Mellow attack and smooth sound. I got to high school and we had a set of Zildjian 18" and a huge set of 24? Concert crashes. Both had a much harder edge to the sound. Kind of harsh. I even mentioned how nice the Paistes sounded to my ear to my private teacher, we was like, "well that's cool."
@thetype85 24 күн бұрын
Very cool!
@jancuica353 Ай бұрын
Great video.
@AdamStachelek Ай бұрын
I also cannot wait!
@earldrum Ай бұрын
Can’t wait
@Salvy1103 Ай бұрын
What a difference
@MeTuLHeD Ай бұрын
What did you clean it with?
@thetype85 Ай бұрын
3 step process: Flitz tarnish spray, barkeepers past then bluemagic, more here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJ-XoHyeo5KgbtEsi=qJ4HkHO511kHJEj5
@Ian_P Ай бұрын
Thank you. 👍😁
@donalddekay788 2 ай бұрын
Great video- Ty
@iRideuWatch 2 ай бұрын
Excellent video. Thank you.
@marko.1793 2 ай бұрын
Great video!!!
@JackNiles 2 ай бұрын
Question. A pair of 14” Giant Beat hats. Giant beat black label at 12 o’clock position above the bell. HI-HAT TOP AND HI-HAT BOTTOM at the 6 o’clock positions. Paiste made in Switzerland Black label hollow logo on under side of both cymbals. Would this be 1973 year? Or do you know what year this would be? No serial number. And no embossed stamp. Thanks for the videos
@thetype85 2 ай бұрын
Jack! Those sound like "modern" reissue GB's. Paiste never put "made in Switzerland" below the hollow logo on under side of the cymbals until they reissued them and the 602's in the 2000's. You should have a small circular laser etched serial # and logo on the underside of the cymbals.
@JackNiles 2 ай бұрын
@@thetype85 Thanks!
@ronbyrd1616 2 ай бұрын
Excellent report ! Do you have any info on Super cymbals, the pre paistes ? If so would love a report on those. I have seven Supers, and wouldnt trade for anything out there . Perfect sound and pitch with either wood or nylon tips .
@thetype85 2 ай бұрын
@@ronbyrd1616 Here's all the information we have collected on that model line: www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Super#Super
@fredrkane8481 3 ай бұрын
This vid and part 1 have given me the best cymbal maintenance education- ever! Most of my Paistes are still within stage one and two condition. I have one 14" 505 that's definitely stage three. The 505 combined with a 3000 sound edge (in pretty crisp condition) make for a pretty nice, darkish sounding x-hat. Still, I want to shine up that 505 for presentation sake. Thanks to this vid, I'm able to do so with confidence. Thanks man!
@thetype85 3 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@NotYoung3592 3 ай бұрын
Such good info. but that music needs to be WAYYYY under....
@thetype85 3 ай бұрын
What music??
@earldrum 3 ай бұрын
Great video and history lesson! Thanks … I subbed!
@thetype85 3 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@GolddenWaffles 3 ай бұрын
Hello Big Deezy! I’ve recently purchased an 18” Giant Beat from 1973. It has 3 inches of oxidation around the edge of the cymbal and I feel like that makes it not to “crash” very well. I am aware that Giant Beats are Crash/Rides but this one doesn’t crash very well might as well be a dud, but would you recommend me to use Paiste cymbal cleaner for oxidation?
@thetype85 3 ай бұрын
Howdy! I'd use Barkeeper's paste, it's stronger and will remove the oxidation much better that the Paiste cleaner. You'd be surprised how much the cymbal opens up after cleaning!
@GolddenWaffles 3 ай бұрын
@@thetype85 Alright thanks! I’ll give it a try!
@kearneydillon4803 3 ай бұрын
I have the same cymbal!! Mine weighs 2710 grams. At the 9 O'clock position it has a silk screen saying "Special" It sits 50% offset above my 24" Giant beat because I cant pick just one. In person they sound much better than any regularly mic'd youtube video
@thetype85 3 ай бұрын
Thank for the info!
@DrMackSplackem 3 ай бұрын
I could listen to this guy talk about alloys all day.
@thetype85 3 ай бұрын
Mr. Fritz is a Gold Mine of information! He worked directly with Robert and Toomas throughout the 2000s.
@dreadedscarpia2066 4 ай бұрын
Curious as to why you skipped over the Paiste Seven Sound Set 7 (a/k/a “Deep Ride”), a Formula 602 precursor to the Dark Ride. That is one superb dark-sounding Paiste cymbal.
@Thesmokymountainman 4 ай бұрын
Very informative. Thank You. I’ve used bar keepers on my Zildjian years ago but not on my prized Paiste Sound Formula. Do you have a recommendation for those? Still some clear coat but not shiny enough. Thanks
@thetype85 4 ай бұрын
Barkeepers works well if you dilute it and don't rub it in very much, just let it sit for a few minutes and then wash it off.
@Thesmokymountainman 4 ай бұрын
@@thetype85 Thank You.
@Joseph-zs8jm 4 ай бұрын
The best cymbals
@digadot 5 ай бұрын
Awesome thank you!!!!
@digadot 5 ай бұрын
Loved it! Thanks didn't want it to stop!!!! More more!!!!
@nuArk-eq9mq 5 ай бұрын
Thanks, very informative - maybe to use some sort of reducing/suppressing the plosive syllables like windscreen, pop filter, DAWs deesser etc. in order to improve intelligibility of speech and to be softer for the ears
@JackNiles 5 ай бұрын
Sounds beautiful
@JackNiles 5 ай бұрын
Nice
@JackNiles 5 ай бұрын
Great information
@JackNiles 5 ай бұрын
Great information
@richardkemp5550 5 ай бұрын
Interesting, but what the hell is that background music?
@thetype85 5 ай бұрын
"Space 1999" intro theme and theme music throughout. The ending music is Moby from the ending credits theme from the movie "Heat"!
@kearneydillon4803 6 ай бұрын
Paiste is my favorite company. I only play Paiste vintage like 2002 black label, Stambul65, 602 etc. But, a company would have to be off-the-earth out of touch to not know there was demand for vintage lines such as Giant Beat etc. Just a cursory check of the used markets would be enough to know. Its a terrible thing actually, to want something your whole playing life, and never get to play them because of price and rarity.
@kearneydillon4803 6 ай бұрын
I think the black label cymbals are generally thinner than later red labels. My black 24" ride weighs 3480grams and my red label 24" ride is 4001grams. My 1974 15" SE black label hats are 1135/1134grams top/bottom while my red label SE hats are 1265/1272grams. All my black crashes weigh between 50 and 150grams less than the same size reds I have. Just my observations and measurements from owning over 30 black labels and 20 red label 2002's.
@ReecePlaysDrums_ 5 ай бұрын
Yeah the black labels were all lighter, at least for the rides. The ride weights are all similar to the modern 900s
@brent3760 6 ай бұрын
That is a GORGEOUS cymbal!!
@carlos2175 6 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot! I am 55 and I have been playing Paiste 2002 for all my life. Great cymbals!
@Nicko_1976 6 ай бұрын
What a work! Thanks for this video
@ronbyrd1616 7 ай бұрын
Great distinct/clarity sound ! Love my Supers since 1965 ! I use nylon tips only .
@GlennWilsonDrums 7 ай бұрын
Wow, thanks for this. Never seen a set of these in 13. They must be super rare?
@thetype85 7 ай бұрын
Mine have 1975 serial numbers, 13" 602's are pretty rare but they were probably just not very popular back in the day...
@modbrokers6881 7 ай бұрын
Hey dan can I send you an email with a question? Thanks
@thetype85 7 ай бұрын
@af7119 7 ай бұрын
Great content.
@brent3760 7 ай бұрын
That Arbiter is 😍😍😍
@paisteformula6021 7 ай бұрын
I have this same one in mint condition!
@ampdrum1 7 ай бұрын
It's apparent that with Masters they use a Turkish alloy. I had a whole set, but moved them on. They didn't do it for me, not Paiste enough. Today I use 602, 602 ME (darker) 2002 Big Beat ( B8, thinner 602 ME hammering) and PSTX. Paiste has so much to offer.
@thetype85 7 ай бұрын
You are %100 percent correct! Not only do they use Turkish B20, but they are also hand hammered in Turkey. I also assume lathed, finished and tested int Switzerland!
@ampdrum1 7 ай бұрын
That's just about what I heard. Shaped in Turkey, finished in Switzerland.@@thetype85
@achimpfefferkorn3019 7 ай бұрын
I own a 22 Sound Creation Dark Ride (Mk 3) from 1983, 3295 grams, without the printed words 'New Dimension'. It only has the big round logo and 'Dark Ride' stamp. I've been playing it in a big band setting in Austria for more than 20 yrs. I simply love it. 🙂
@brent3760 7 ай бұрын
Love them!!! My favs are the dyna star, and the 20s. Wow!!! 😍😍😍🤩 They are all so wonderful! Great collection!!
@thetype85 7 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@brent3760 7 ай бұрын
That 22 🤩😍😍
@brent3760 7 ай бұрын
Wow! They all sound fantastic!
@brent3760 7 ай бұрын
I am now the proud owner of a pre serial 602 20" and also 14" hats, and WOW!! I love them!! They are so very different from my 1950s As, but so very tasty! I am officially hooked and cant wait to get more!!!!!!🥁❤️🥁
@brent3760 7 ай бұрын
I hope you plan on going to the Chicago Drum Show this year, I'd love to run into you and talk Paiste!!!
@thetype85 7 ай бұрын
@@brent3760Unfortunately, I live in Los Angeles, so the trip is just too far. You can contact me on Facebook or email me: [email protected]
@thetype85 7 ай бұрын
Vintage 602's and super formula 602's are the LAST undiscovered gems still at reasonable prices!
@waguin7042 7 ай бұрын
I have a Paiste 404 crash 16" (1986). The series 2002 is the best B8 in history.
@natalebrosio1487 7 ай бұрын
Ho avuto la fortuna di suonare ride da 22 definizione assoluta