Этот арбалет сделал Андреас Бихлер - мой хороший знакомый. Это копия оригинала, сделанная по той же технологии с дугой из рога и сухожилий. Усилие взведения 200 Кг. Это совсем не рогатка. Кинетическая энергия болта 200 Джоулей. Арбалеты далеко не всегда пробивали доспехи и никогда не были для этого предназначены.

He said it himself that the crossbow has a draw weight of about 250kg. I am the dude who came up with the idea of shooting at Isaks mail with one of his crossbows anyway. It was at the city festival of Mahlberg in 2018. By the way he has a LOT more crossbows than the ones you can see on youtube. We took this one as it was closer, according to him, to a crossbow of the 13th century. For a 15th century crossbow he would have taken a stronger one. If you are interested in mail also check out Ironskin here on youtube. He also has videos where Andreas shoots at mail, quite cool :)

@@peterspatling3151 I guess it's possible that he has another crossbow with almost identical stock decoration, or perhaps he mounted two different bows on one stock? Cause I'm almost sure it's the same stock. The bows themselves do look bit different, when you mention it. So many crossbows are really worth of envy for sure. XD And yeah, I know Ironskin channel.

Especially for the 440ib draw weight. Bolt doesn't look like it is travelling fast either but I'm guessing it is far heavier than a modern carbon bolt

That is why it was commonly a defensive weapon.

@@manfredconnor3194 aaaaand then you find depictions of cavalry charging with crossbow in hand, so yeah, it depends....

Ich muss zugeben ich habe noch nie ein Korsett getragen! :D Aber ja, aus der Reenactmentszene gibt es ja einige Englischsprachige Damen die sich damit befassen, welche ähnliches berichten. Im Übrigen gibt es auch aus dem 14. Jahrhundert Autoren die darüber schreiben, dass die jungen Männer sich so eng schnüren, dass ihnen die Luft weg bleibt. Allerdings ist dann auch hier wieder die Frage ob der Schnitt einfach nicht gepasst hat. Ich mache mir auch 'n Harnisch aus den späten 1440ern. An sich einfach die zivilen Wämser anschauen. Bald kommen weitere Videos, muss jetzt nur mal den doofen Schnitt machen. :)

@@peterspatling3151 Dito! Das wär wohl eher was fürs Reenactment eines Herrn im 19. Jh, nehm ich an 😉. Ich vermute, wir meinen die gleichen. Diese Berichte ausm 14. Jh hab ich auch schon mal gehört. Liegt vielleicht an der Wieseltaille? Wobei wir vermutlich bei der Überinterpretation aufpassen müssen. Leute die zeitgenössische Moden kritisieren und sich dann die extremsten Auswüchse raussuchen, um den gesamten Trend zu kritisieren ist ja nichts, was es nicht mehr gäbe (und halt das grundsätzliche Problem von Struktur & Ereigniss, wie Andrej sagen würde). Hmm, ok, von denen sollten wenigstens einzelne zu finden sein👌🏻. Ich frag speziell auch deshalb, weil in dem etwas früheren Zeitraum ja auch diese Textilrüstungen, wie von van Eycks Genter Altar, vorkommen und ich mir denke, dass die vllt die Trageweise von Rüstwämsern beeinflussen. Insbesondere auch bei Annesteln der Brustplatte daran. Ein Beispiel von Brustnesteln ohne Brustplatte kenn ich aus ner früheren Chaucer Hs.

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Here is his channel. Why don't you ask him there if you can give it a try? ;) kzbin.info/door/HLaA0T9Y1sy2EhGLzXgXeQvideos

Description says the draw weight is 200kg.

​@@maximus9812thats 440ib. My adder is 190. So over twice - and my adder is a beast!

Hahahaha no man. A 150 lb compound with let off is damn near impossible for most let alone a 400 plus pound without let off.

That dude was so badass

His name is reece from pursuing the knightly arts

If you are talking about longbows, I can guarantee you no one is pulling 200kg @ 15cm!!!!!!!

@@manfredconnor3194 I’m talking about crossbows

@@HistoricalWeapons Well, that is smurfy then.

Works out as 440ib

@@orderofmagnitude-TPATP yes plenty of crossbows had that powerstroke

This is indeed a little bit of a problem. However exactly because of this reason you will sit -very- correct on the saddle when riding. Trust me, I tried it and ... felt it. :D

"The draw weight is more than 200kg"

@@peterspatling3151 I see why you're using a crank, then.

@@capnmac Yes that crank is very krank.

440ib that works out as

It seems that quite often crossbows with cranequins were used more in siege warfare than skirmishes or even battles (which were quite rare anyway).

Eh, you would be behind the stone wall of some tower or parapet somewhere or perhaps sheltered behind a wooden hoarding or perhaps you would be resting behind one of the machicolations, getting ready to pop some poor sapper in the head. If you were in the field you would be behind a wicker wall backed with earth, an earthen rampart or perhaps a pavis. Either way, not to worry.

Andreas Bichler made it. The one who shoots in the video. You would have to contact him directly. But they are not cheap.

Tod Cutler. That is another place that you can get one.

Thank you :) Mezair/Terre-a-Terre/Courbette are also -very- important but difficult to implement when you are not used to it. They did that a lot in the past. We slowly get closer to how they rode but it will still take years.

There will be more ;)

@@peterspatling3151 Then I'll be there ;)

Don't forget to add the horses. Horses make quite a lot of noise too :D

@@peterspatling3151 ow dear ye! good point.. Anyways great videos. Really cool reference material

I put some clothes between plates, especially to my Kusnacht.

Right in the middle of Germany. Next year it will take place around the 5th of May I believe... Places for visitors are still available as far as I know.

Next time maybe. I tried to cover as much as possible. I also have footage of me standing on the ground with the other pikemen, unfortunately just after the first few minutes of filming we stopped the training '^^

Organisiert wird das Ganze über Facebook. Daher wäre ein Account dort von Vorteil. Man muss am Leben sein. Ähm... Geld aufbringen für eine Übernachtungsmöglichkeit und Taschengeld, dieses Jahr waren es 60€, für das Essen zusammen kratzen. Ansonsten ist hier nichts wirklich verpflichtend. Ist gut wenn man Rüstung hat, muss man aber nicht haben. Ggfs. kann man sich Sachen leihen oder einfach ohne mitmachen. Mordaxttraining fand zum Beispiel ohne Harnisch statt.

Nutze kein Facebook gibt es keine andere Möglichkeit?

Mail an: [email protected], dann gebe ich Ihnen mehr Infos.

Well, one of them was not used to being around strangers. That 's the one making the biggest ruckus. He still needs to clam down and get used to it. Some of them certainly have fun :) Others also get louder when another horse that they don't know gets too close and they basically tell him not to get too close.

It sure is! :)

No. There were plenty of people without armour. Some had rather poor stuff other really good ones. It 's about technique training and no modern sport event.

Right in the middle of Germany, hopefully it will take place again next year. This was the first edition :)

Could you please be a bit more precise? I live in Middle Franconia, so maybe it is not too far away?

For more infos either add me on facebook (name is the same as my account here) or send me an e-mail. I don't want to publish all that stuff here.

I am very sorry, but I still do not use Facebook. I only had Google+ (which does not exist any longer). And I cannot find any email address of yours. I am really sorry.

[email protected] just write me something so I got your mail adress

If we were to do that then only with a contemporary one. It doesn't make sense to shoot at a 13th century hauberk with a Mary Rose type bow simply because the bow would be too strong. Technically the crossbow here also is not ok, but the drawweight is close to an early 13th century one and we were just playing around anyway :P

Most Mary Rose bows were only around 100-120 pounds. I don't think there's any evidence what the typical draw weight of a 13th century warbow was, although certainly there was no technological barrier to stronger staves.

In the 13th century you still find bows in the HRE. After 1300 they basically get out of fashion. That does make me wonder a bit why. Obviously the reason why the English had so many of them is because of their centralized state system. That did not exist in modern day Germany. Therefore the bows we should test the maille against are bows that "normal" people without *too* much training can use. Obviously you can still use strong bows but my gut feeling as a non-archer is that a 70lbs would be quite a strong bow at the beginning of the 13th century, where this hauberk would have been worn. I also don't know when the English really started to train so many archers. I guess they had some archery tradition but there must have been a tipping point when they started to train more and use stronger bows. Before that the bows probably were not so powerful.

How much stronger would a 14th century hauberk be, though? My impression was that maille got weaker as it ceased to become a standalone defense in the late medieval period, rather than improving markedly.

From my mind I can recall a 14th century shirt kept in the castle of Churburg in Italy that has solid rings with a thickness of 3mm! That is seriously thick! After 1400 maille does become thinner and more often acts as gap filling material. Nevertheless even in the 15th century you can find some rather tough maille armour. Very often you can see two layers of maille, like a brayette and a maille skirt to protect your groin. In the Germanisches Nationalmuseum Nürnberg you can find a 15th century shirt that overlaps on the front. So you have two layers of maille on the front of your body. They wouldn't have done this when maille was so "bad" as people often say. Even in the 16th century a lot of bishop mantles were used. Now, maille offers, as far as I know, no protection against bullets, but they still wore it. So it had to be useful, otherwise, why wear it?

200 kg = 440 lbs this is a sort of 'field crossbow' or 'mounted crossbowman'-weight for the 15th century, (where crossbows can exceed 1000 lbs easily) but about right for the strongest crossbows in the 13th century, which is what this hauberk would face. these are armour piercing points on the quarrels we also comment on how that last section is kinda a bit burned in the forging process and was considered by the maker to be sub-par

I really was standing on the opposite side of the street during an event and the idea came up to shoot at something with the lovely crossbows I can see. Then I remembered that Isak had his armour with him. I walked over and asked, we took the strongest crossbow he had with him and shot at the maille with the "standard" bolt that you find in Europe. There are a lot of different bolt heads, but this is by far the average thing you find. That 's why we used this (and because we didn't have any armour penetrating ones with us). The weight I believe is around 60g. Nevertheless it shows perfectly what great protection maille can offer. Of course you can always destroy something with enough force. But by far not every crossbowman had the right bolts and the right crossbow (drawweight) to do the job.

Keep in mind that most test you see on riveted mail is on cheaper Indian mass produced mail and usually also much thinner wire. Mail made from 1,5mm seems most common in internet tests but mail made from 2 mm wire is almost twice as thick which was more typical for this period

@@Gloin79 indeed, but mostly the rivet hole design is significantly different. only the first bolt is shot at the 2mm rings, the rest is at the 1,5 mm as we were trying to find a place we could pierce it

Thanks, that totally slipped my mind. I added it to the video description.

Medieval ones in particular?

oh yes historical please never enough on stirrups.

these are from originals in the DHM 15th century, very plain.

In two hundred years A LOT changes. The saddles, the style (from an artistic perspective, what decorations/patterns etc. are used), as well as the construction of the bits for example. The bits changed a lot, and especially in the Renaissance and early Baroque period people built the craziest stuff. However they always did it for a good reason. I plan to cover a lot of topics, regarding horses in the future. What horse tack looked like in antiquity right to the modern day. This however will take quite some time to get started. If you want to keep informed just subscribe to my channel and keep asking questions in the comments. Too give you a bunch of pictures: This one is from the middle of the 13th century: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Peraldus_Knight.jpg This one dates towards the middle of the 15th century: legacy.closertovaneyck.be/#viewer/id1=33&id2=0 And this one dates to the middle of the 17th century: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Gustave_Adolphe_at_Breitenfeld-Johann_Walter-f3706497.jpg There is a lot to cover in the future, stay tuned :)

I will make a lot of videos. It is just gonna take some time to get everything rolling ;)