II HAVE WORKED ON THE 3350 MARTIN MARS, 2500 horse 18.6 props. you have done a great description of the prt 3350. the F1 of all designs in radial design.
@AEHSvideoКүн бұрын
Thank you for your generous comments.
@norbertdapunt5092Күн бұрын
Awesome.
@AEHSvideoКүн бұрын
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@AlexPintilecuКүн бұрын
You got a new subscriber.... From what i researched myself, volvo trucks(i-save) use a very similar compound exhaust recovery for their engines, should save 3-4%fuel in regular operation
@AEHSvideoКүн бұрын
Thanks for your comments. Yes, Volvo and Mack, and previously Scania, have turbo compound diesel truck engines.
@Technoid_MutantКүн бұрын
Even before I get to watch this episode I want to thank you for making it.
@AEHSvideoКүн бұрын
Thanks for your comments and I hope it meets expectations.
@williamcarnero9595Күн бұрын
Epic video, new subscriber and glad to have found this channel. Back when I first heard of a PRT there were almost no videos of it on KZbin years ago detailing how they worked. Would like to see some more jet engine content aswell as it comes down the pipeline
@AEHSvideo10 сағат бұрын
Thanks for your comments.
@jamestamu83Күн бұрын
Excellent presentation. Thanks for sharing. Amazing technology from 75-years ago!
@AEHSvideoКүн бұрын
I thank you for your comments.
@Dave5843-d9m2 күн бұрын
A different engine illustrates how difficult this was. GE were contracted to make turbo chargers and compound turbines for the Alison V1710 used in Mustang 1 Kittyhawk etc. they really struggled and in the end only the Lightning ever got a usable turbo system with that engine. And that was built around the engines.
@AEHSvideoКүн бұрын
Thanks for your comments. The American history of turbo supercharging before and during WWII was quite successful (P-38, P-47, B-17, B-24, B-29). Turbo compounding remained experimental throughout the war and it was only the TC18 that ever went into production starting in 1950. The Russians also had a produced a small number turbo compound engine s that flew (VD3-TH; VD-4K) during the late 1940/early 1950's.
@aldenconsolver34282 күн бұрын
EXCELLENT
@iphonedoc2 күн бұрын
As a young member of the Wyoming Air National Guard I was a flight engineer on our C121's. Of course we were versed in the PRT's of our birds, but as you mentioned with no controls available to me. After this video I now know my understanding of them way back them was rudimentary. But sufficient for our job. I have often wondered about what we were told was a direct connection of the PRT to the crank. I now see that what we were told was a direct connection was thru the fluid coupler or what most people would know as a torque converter similar to cars with automatic transmissions. Now 55 years later at age 75 I understand more thanks to you and this exceptional video. My admiration of the engineers who created this is immense. I thank you. I also thank the lord for my life and all the things I experienced and wonderful people I've met.
@AEHSvideoКүн бұрын
Thank you for your most interesting comments.
@unknown-ql1fk2 күн бұрын
Great channel for us nerds, thank you got making these videos, i know its a lot of work
@brianhalberg1312 күн бұрын
Fantastic video! I'd always wondered about this system. It never fails to amaze me that, as much as we spruik about how high tech everything is today, engineers of the past developed these incredible systems, designs and materials. Well done.
@AEHSvideo2 күн бұрын
Thank you for your comments.
@leesutherland75792 күн бұрын
What is the "Dumping loss across exhaust valve" at 5:23 consist of? Isenthalpic pressure losses?
@AEHSvideo2 күн бұрын
When a gas flows from an area of higher pressure (in the cylinder) to an area of lower pressure (the exhaust manifold), the kinetic energy of the medium is reduced by this expansion. Enthalpy is conserved. Wright says these losses depend on the rate of opening of the exhaust valve and the relative pressures and areas (volumes) of the high and low pressure regions. Hope this answers your question.
@wazza33racer2 күн бұрын
Thanks for the close up explanations of the Curtis PRT.....it is indeed a feat of engineering to make the concept work on a large radial engine. Vastly under appreciated engineering.
@AEHSvideoКүн бұрын
Thanks for your comments.
@wazza33racerКүн бұрын
@@AEHSvideo thanks for the video,the subject matter is one of the best kept secrets. There is no practical or economic reason why, we cannot have fluid drive clutched PRT's on modern gasoline engines in motor vehicles, purely as a fuel saving method that would eliminate the carbon footprint advantage of the ridiculous EV's. Traditional turbo chargers have practical tuning issues on gasoline engines, and dont really offer much in fuel savings.......the PRT by comparison is ideal for gasoline engines.
@AEHSvideoКүн бұрын
@@wazza33racer , thanks for your comments. Mack, Volvo, and Scania (years past) have diesel turbo compound truck engines in production.
@wazza33racerКүн бұрын
@@AEHSvideo Yes, but on turbocharged truck engines, the PRT is downstream from the Turbocharger which soaks up almost all the exhaust gas pressure, with the PRT only being able to recover the equivalent of an extra 5-10% of engine output.
@wazza33racer2 күн бұрын
The curtis wright PRT had the disadvantage of being very small, so it could be crammed into a small space. The Allison-V12-1710 prototype power recovery turbine, gained 1000hp from the base 1500 hp output of the V12 piston engine. Which is a much higher gain, and efficiency. Furthermore, the Napier Nomad PRT, also featured a full size blown down turbine like the Allison, to get very high fuel efficiency. With our modern gas turbine designs, we can very likely get higher gains and/or much smaller packaging . As with existing piston engines with turbochargers, there is a lot of improvement that can be achieved with ceramic coatings and insulation to channel more heat energy to the exhaust turbine.
@diegosilang48232 күн бұрын
To recover heat energy wasted, incorporating Stirling Engine could have added more power.
@nadahere2 күн бұрын
Thanks for the wonderful presentation. Contra-propulsors are of interest to our development of the low cost, personal, door-to-door PersonalJet VTOL system
@AEHSvideo2 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments. The Convair XFY-1 and 578-DX were impressive accomplishments for their respective times.
@michaelblacktree2 күн бұрын
I clicked on this, just to see what a PRT is. Excellent explanation. Thanks!
@AEHSvideo2 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments.
@Steven-p4j3 күн бұрын
This has been such a pleasure to watch. Another subscriber.
@AEHSvideo2 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments.
@otm6463 күн бұрын
Always happy to see you post a new one!
@AEHSvideo2 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments. Happy is good.
@briancavanagh70483 күн бұрын
It would be interesting to know the development history of the PRT. Did they build a series of test mules and refine the design through trial & error? A lot of practical engineering on display in this video all accomplished with slide rules.
@cnknguyen3 күн бұрын
never though it used whats essentially a torque converter for an automatic transmission, to connect it to the engine. Big Brained engineering right there.
@AEHSvideo3 күн бұрын
A torque converter is a form of fluid coupling, however it is designed to multiply torque at certain operational conditions while a fluid coupling is designed to simply try to match the input and output speeds.
@shcchristensen3 күн бұрын
Great job Tom!
@AEHSvideo2 күн бұрын
Thank you for your comments.
@andrerousseau57303 күн бұрын
Your inclusion of Chilton's patent is interesting but you may or may not be aware of Wilton Lundquist's multiple patents relating to the turbo-compound engine, e.g. USP# 2,625,006A, etc, etc. You will, of course, know who Lundquist is.
@AEHSvideo3 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments. Indeed there are a pile of patents describing all kinds of mechanisms to harness the power of the exhaust gasses for a variety of purposes (Birkigt; Anxionnaz; Browne), but the present video tried to maintain a narrow focus.
@andrerousseau57303 күн бұрын
@@AEHSvideo I think you sort of missed the point: Wilton Lundquist was the vice president of engineering for Curtiss-Wright, i.e. he was Chilton's boss.
@AEHSvideo2 күн бұрын
@@andrerousseau5730 , thanks.
@lancemenke27283 күн бұрын
This turbo is already a thing. Dang late to the table again.
@warrenjones7443 күн бұрын
Pretty clever engineering. I can only imagine the hours that were put into that system to make it work and live. Great explanation and the Connie at. the end was a nice addition.
@AEHSvideo2 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments.
@PSG159er3 күн бұрын
This is very well put together. So much information pack in this presentation. Well done sir. Hey, do you think I can put on my resume that I understand the basic fundamentals of a PRT?
@AEHSvideo3 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments and your Certificate of Understanding has been issued.
@PSG159er3 күн бұрын
@@AEHSvideofantastic!
@hunterflorez3 күн бұрын
simply amazing engineering!
@rocksnot9523 күн бұрын
It's interesting that from our viewpoint in 2025, it's a jet engine with an overly-complex combustor.
@AEHSvideo3 күн бұрын
I see your comment raise you it being a turboshaft engine with an overly-complex combustor...
@ilyazhorov29643 күн бұрын
Great video !!!
@TucanoTMK13 күн бұрын
Very Good Detailed info well done,All Done By People With a Drawing Board and Pencils No Computers or CNC To make the Parts. People Were More able to Do Amazing Things in the Past.
@J4CK4LFUL3 күн бұрын
Thank you for a great video on this subject! In powerplant school, they barely covered this, which is unfortunate because it really is a very interesting and innovative technology. The solution for an overspeeding turbine is something I'd never heard of until now.
@GerardBlake-qw7wi3 күн бұрын
Excellent presentation Tom.
@AEHSvideo2 күн бұрын
Hi Gerry! Thanks for your comments.
@therealfearsome3 күн бұрын
the fire coming out of the exhaust was so badass, I had never seen that before (62 yrs old)...thanks for a great video!
@AEHSvideo3 күн бұрын
Interestingly, Wright says that at takeoff power (back in the days of 115/145 octane fuel) the mixture was still too rich to burn coming out of the hoods at takeoff. But at high power (METO or climb power) the combination is just right for the flames to emanate from the hoods.
@jimmydesouza43753 күн бұрын
Sorry if you answer this in the video, but I am pausing it half way through to watch the rest later and am curious. I have seen a couple of things about these prop fan engines, but what is the difference between a propfan and a turboprop? They seem like the same thing to myself (though I am not very knowledgeable on the subject).
@AEHSvideo3 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments. Back in the early days (late 1970's-1990), a propfan was defined as having multiple, swept, thin, composite blades that were very highly loaded. These days there are a dozen criteria for the definition, but certainly the Airbus A400 and the An-70 qualify as a propfan. The C-130 upgraded with the 8-blade NP2000 propellers is close to being a propfan, but the blades are only moderately loaded. Hope this helps.
@n.elliott91223 күн бұрын
Now my brain is thinking. Scale this for a Duramax LBZ. Make appropriate alterations to design.
@royb.14414 күн бұрын
Wow! Incredible video, excellent work! I have done a lot of read and research on the history of these motors and still learned a bunch and you also provided a lot of never before seen (by me) photographs. That DB603 fitted with its annular radiator is STUNNING. Thank you for the video brotherman. ❤
@AEHSvideo3 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments. The author has trotted the globe taking high resolution photographs of these subjects and stitching them together to make the unique, flat-plane images shown in his videos.
@michaelhamm62074 күн бұрын
Don't try to fool me, everybody knows that these things work by voodoo and angry pixies!!! Seriously, though, great video and between you and Greg, I think I finally understand how these things operate. It was always some kind of dark art before. Lastly, that video at the end of the Constellation takeoff was worth watching the whole video.
@AEHSvideo3 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments. Fire-spitting flight hoods are just the best...
@ktmarvin3004 күн бұрын
Turbomachinery engineer here: You mixed up the terms impulse and reaction type turbine. The "blow down" turbine is the impulse type (r=0) turbine used for turbo-compounding while the reaction type (r>0) turbine is the "Pressure turbine". The name impulse turbine is originating from the working principle which solely relies on the impulse of high speed gases without enthalpy conversion in the rotor-plane of the turbine.
@AEHSvideo2 күн бұрын
Yes, thank you, you are correct. I really stepped in it.
@gertjevanpoppel72704 күн бұрын
Thank you for the great explanation and beautiful foto's 😀👍
@AEHSvideo2 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments.
@kglesq14 күн бұрын
Absolutely excellent presentation! Thank you!
@AEHSvideo3 күн бұрын
Your positive comments are welcomed, otherwise it is 32 minutes you'll never get back...
@sixstringedthing4 күн бұрын
Outstanding presentation; clear, concise, adequately detailed for the layperson without getting right down into the maths of it all. One of the most fascinating parts for me was the extensive physical "hard limit" measures taken to prevent a sustained overspeed condition, and the armour to deal with the consequences of those measures being activated. Having the cooling cap/flight hood assembly weigh half as much again as the PRT itself seems like an odd choice at first, but I guess that having an entire turbine disc catastrophically fail inside the cowling with no containment is what engineers typically refer to as a Bad Thing. Always lovely to see HARS' Connie still doing what she was built to do, a very special and much loved aircraft. The bit of video you included is certainly one of the best I've seen, what a fantastic way to conclude the presentation! Great work Tom, and thanks mate. 👍
@AEHSvideo3 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments. Having a nice cache of Wright TC18 documents eases the process. I suspect the brittle buckets would shatter like lightbulbs dropped on the garage floor once they came loose from the wheel. However, the mass, energy, and stout nature of the turbine wheel would really wreak havoc if it were to come adrift. The HARS Connie is an international aviation treasure.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman4 күн бұрын
And they figured all this stuff out in the 1940s.
@johnfowler42644 күн бұрын
Great to see this, Tom - Thanks!
@AEHSvideo3 күн бұрын
Hi John! Thanks for the comments.
@mbox3144 күн бұрын
This video is solid gold. I am going to send it to my coworkers.
@AEHSvideo3 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments and I hope they enjoy it as well.
@devoncampbell36074 күн бұрын
really neat presentation. very informative and immaculately paced.
@AEHSvideo3 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments. Pacing is always a balancing act and I'm gratified to hear this one is balanced!
@sparty944 күн бұрын
this is a fantastic presentation. i love the graphics, and the narration.
@AEHSvideoКүн бұрын
Thank you for your comments.
@barryduff50584 күн бұрын
Thanks for this. I've been curious about R3350s since I 1st learned of them during 1 of the Avolon Air shows here in Victoria Australia back in 1997. A few trucks from Scania & Volvo have also used Turbo compounding over the years, but I understand it fell out of favour due to the extra weight & completely it brought with it
@AEHSvideo4 күн бұрын
Mack trucks in the USA currently offers the MP8HE diesel TC engine in some of their vehicles. www.macktrucks.com/powertrain-and-suspensions/engines/mp8he/
@andrewsmart29494 күн бұрын
CASE/cummins does this on current 4WD big tractors with the ISX motors
@AEHSvideo4 күн бұрын
Thank you for this information.
@triplestangman4 күн бұрын
all i can think of is how this isnt being used to make better turbo hot sides
@SkyhawkSteve4 күн бұрын
I'll note that the Kalamazoo air museum ("Air zoo") has a 3350 on display with the PRT's pointed out, and even an annotated photo courtesy of Tom Fey that points out the components and some details. Great to see it in person, and great to see such a detailed explanation in this video! It's easy to appreciate that jet turbine engines didn't just appear out of nowhere... the tech was (mostly?) being developed on reciprocating engines. Or at least in parallel?
@AEHSvideo3 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comments and the Air Zoo is a wonderful Museum. I think it is fair to say that pre-WWII supercharger and turbocharger technology (heat resistant metals; advanced shaping and machining; efficient management of inflows and outflows, testing methodologies, etc.) laid the groundwork for the development of the turbojet, and the dawn of WWII sent research and development into overdrive.
@n6mz3 күн бұрын
The excellent National Naval Aviation Museum at NAS Pensacola has TC18-powered "Truculent Turtle" on display. What a fantastic aircraft and a wonderful museum.