@@jozefmurarik9905 one of the biggest reasons I make the videos I make is to try to talk about things that aren’t normally covered, or at least talk about it in more detail that I think people should know. There are plenty of videos showing basic techniques and counters. I feel no need to explain something gone over so many times before. And I think the best way to learn these techniques is to find a practice and just pull. I have some more armwrestling videos planned for the future. That being said… I will think about making videos like you mentioned, but perhaps some more details within them so I am not just repeating videos that have already been made. Short enough to get to the point, but long enough to where I can give you solid information. We will see what happens… I highly recommend you watch KZbin videos by The Voice Of Armwrestling, Bob Brown armwrestling, Devon larrat, Table monkeys… honestly several armwrestling KZbin accounts. They can give you what you are looking for. But if you like the way I explain things, than perhaps I can still make it happen sometime in the future, after I make the videos I am planning on making.

@troytueller9992 yeah, i indeed like the way you explain things 🦾

@@troytueller9992 i wonder.. You ever heard about toprolling forward? Toprolling to 11o clock, with 1Rep Maximum approach up through the ceiling ? There's no informations about this technique really, and it seems really effective.

@@Lone_gooner1488 🥸

Watch more armwrestling, Lone. Watch more armwrestling.

@ liking your own comment bro that’s sad 😪

@@A_zholi I live in the US, Utah. And I made the table.

@@troytueller9992 ok thanks bro. keep making this good content.

@@Dmgolfer22 yes, it can be really hard to hook a good toproller. Hence why I briefly made the point. Obviously it’s a hard battle to win. But from a leverage standpoint, if the short arm puts the tall arm in a hook, advantage goes to shorter arm. The toproll route is more feasible in that sense, but of course… only if you are strong enough.

@ Yeah it really all comes down to who wins the hand at go. Even in a hook whoever has the top hand position is at advantage. A guy with longer arm could also get advantage in a hook if they have the hand position like a high hook. This is one reason why I love this sport so much. There’s so many fine details and intricacies. Matches can go so many different ways/lanes based on styles.

@@DevexTRE there are definitely flaws with having a short arm, like I said in the video. But are short arms obsolete? Not at ALL. A short arm typically has a small hand attached to it, thats what you normally see anyways. So yeah, your statement of getting a strong rise and pronation lines up perfectly with what I said, you need to get stronger.

@ i do not see a flaw with having a short arm if ur hand is big, maybe that you cant pack on as much muscle unless ur lee. I myself have a short arm and have zero trouble with long arms since my hand and fingers are big.

@ that makes sense… but like I said. Short arms might have issues in the setup due to having to chase a bit more, and not having as much reach as long arms do. Once a referees grip is taken place this issue is slightly solved, but you are still likely limited in your mobility. Now of course you say you don’t have issues with things because you happen to have a big hand. But if every short arm had a massive hand then I probably wouldn’t have to make this video, but that’s not the case. I get that you don’t have issues, but others DEFINITELY do

​@@DevexTRE if you and the tall guy try to cheat, and the refs are not strict, you are never going to take as Mich as the long leverage guy. You are pretty much starting with "deserving" advantages while he should have pretty much nothing. Everything he gets, you are losing.

@ yeah u dont know what ur talkig about

@@RevanZim thanks for your input, I agree with what you say. This video is mainly for people who have short arms that are struggling, and have asked me what they should do. And really the answer is to get stronger. I should have mentioned the advantages of short arms in this video, that’s my bad.

@@troytueller9992 Actually there is one technique that is easier to do if you have shorter fingers, very difficult to do with long fingers. It's a bit of a desperation move and hard to explain in a youtube comment without visually showing it, but I'll try anyways. Usually, the less coverage you have on your opponent's hand, the worse it gets. But there is a breakpoint to this. Once your fingers get off of your opponent's index finger metacarpal bone, off of that bone ridge, things change. Mainly two things: One, your opponent is now pronating into nothing, since they have no purchase whatsoever on your fingers anymore (which also means you're cupping into nothing, but this is not actually so bad in this case, because...). Number two, you get to rotate your hand freely around their thumb. Since your fingers are now off of the bone ridge, you can rotate your fingertips into the space between their thumb and hand for free. Which means you actually get your cup in as the shorter arm guy. Which means you get to kick your wrist out and reduce their finger coverage on your hand by a great degree! Now, again, you gave up almost all ability of your cup to influence their hand, since your cup is now rotating freely and not doing much of anything else. But, the ability to kick your wrist out to hit into their fingers might actually open up an outside attack, even if you're the shorter arm guy. It feels very weird when someone does this to you, and I believe this is what people refer to when they talk about crazy george toprolling them "from under their hand". He grabs their thumb like travis, in a vice grip, and still toprolls anyway. The problem is that it's very difficult to do anything else once you've committed to this, but this is one thing that's easier with shorter fingers.

@@RevanZim true, I get what you’re saying

@@yofukashidayo idk what the exact measurements would be to be considered short. I mean you could compare you arm length to other people around your height and see where you stack up, perhaps? It’s also good to keep in mind that there are times when somebody with a normal sized arm, as in like average, goes up against a REALLY tall arm, and just ends up in these positions.

@@pass_e well… in a sense… both. it’s good to try to get stronger all around the board. Of course getting strong in these positions matter as well, the strength you are trying to build is unique. Armwrestling strength can only really be developed by practicing these movements while pulling / mimicking them in the gym. What’s important to understand is where you yourself feel you need to develop in order to become a better arm wrestler. Just because the short arm puts the tall arm in a hook doesn’t mean the short arm will automatically win no matter what. It’s more nuanced than that. There are a lot of options/angles/pressures you have in your arsenal, it’s just a matter of finding out how to apply them effectively. So having each of those tools sharpened and tuned well makes you more capable of fighting different battles.

@@CodyNobody bingo

@@Gaming_Badger happy to help

@@Saddam1960 big hands are hard to deal with. To be perfectly honest there isn’t really a technique or method to just suddenly beat someone with a big hand. Truth is you just have to get stronger. The only thing I can think of is if you want to try to take the hand out of the equation, go to the straps. Straps make it less about the HAND and more about the wrist and arm. But of course if this is the case, then you better be confident you have the strength in those areas to beat them… if not… get stronger

@@troytueller9992 Thanks 🙏🙇

@@pass_e eventually yes

Just posted it

@@tsou7559 thank you, and yeah I could do that eventually. Like I said in the video I’ve been busy. So I hope to get back to you on that as soon as I’m able.

I just posted a video about it, the answer may not be very satisfying to hear though haha

@@hanzo52 bob brown made a video on this subject that sort of answers your question. Video is called “tall vs short arm” bob brown armwrestling is the KZbin channel name. I’ve been super busy lately, but I will eventually try to make a video in order to answer this question further. Sorry, it might be a minute.

Hey Hanzo, I’m uploading a response video right now. It should appear shortly. Hope it helps

There are other ways to level webbing and be good with knuckles without dumping riser. One is what Brzenk does and that’s floating your index finger. Back it down over your bird finger. It uncovers your opponent’s thumb knuckle while keeping your riser. You can also push forward deeper.

@@Dmgolfer22 an interesting approach. I can see the idea with that. But of course the problem is that there are people with tall arms that even when doing that trick, might still be covering the thumb knuckle. Brzenk didn’t have a really tall arm so he didn’t have the problem of having to come down to match someone. Definitely something people should try. But in my eyes, it’s limited. Thank you for sharing

@@Rookiebookem these are all viable methods. Thank you for sharing. The reason I said that these movements are harder to train in the gym/with weights is because I feel like they are a bit more unorthodox movements (or at least for me they are, perhaps I am being too biased) And I feel like there isn’t as much VARIETY with training these movements effectively as there is with pronation/cupping/rising. But there definitely are options. Thanks again for sharing!

But perhaps I am mistaken! And it’s easier to train these movements than I think

Most things you can do with pronation, cupping and rising, you can do with supination, kickback, and down pressure. The only thing that sticks out to me that doesn't have an equal counterpart is doing fat grip or rolling handle pullup bar holds for static containment/wrist, and loading pin exercises with rolling handles and the like

@@Rookiebookemyes, I also feel like the actual application of the sup/kick/down on the table with someone is harder to REALLY mimic in the gym. Of course same goes for everything related to armwrestling 😂. But yeah, I agree with you.

@@troytueller9992 Check out some videos of Ivan Matushenko. He talks about some of this moves and how he needs them to finish the opponant in a hook. By the way great stuff. Totally agree with your argument handcontrol is not just rise, cup and roll. Cup for example. Fingers and full body movents are often underestimated to be able to hold you cup...

@@harrisonwoolf6883 I’ll fix that next time

​@@troytueller9992I want to touch you 😜

mainly because it’s some stuff i’ve thought about like training opposite fundamentals but i’m curious to see your application of all of them

No problem!

@@thered28 yeah that’s a good method. There are many ways to train pronation, but I believe the best is when your actually pulling someone. Incorporate these movements at practice, and your pronation will steadily increase.

@@Fireboy123Llll thank you

@@DeBuII1 thanks again!

@@DeBuII1 I also made a video on some of my thoughts on training new people if you are interested in that. Thank you for the compliment

​@@troytueller9992thanks I'll take a look

Yo dude, thanks for the compliments. I checked out some of your practices, it’s difficult to really get detailed because the videos are primarily just pulling with music behind it (which is fine! Just difficult to answer questions people ask during practice, hard to hear people in some of the videos, no big deal though) the only thing I’d have to say is to have your guys at practice spend less time being so aggressive and more time pulling at a lower intensity to practice/study pressures. Which I can tell y’all already kinda do which is good.

Also I think it’s good to keep in mind that the stronger guy should hold more and not be so concerned about beating the weaker guy, the weaker guy should do more of the working. But as I said, I can tell that most of your guys are already doing that. So yeah, keep it up. If you have any specific questions feel free to ask!

That can probably help, the problem people fall into is the over pronating really. Which I think could still happen even if you are rising

Not Random. The last name should tell a story immediately 💪💪

@@bradprovik453 … pardon? I’m not related to Craig Tulier if that’s what you’re thinking lol. Although I was trained by Craig to a good degree

@@troytueller9992 lol oh ok sorry . Well anyone who trains with Bob/Craig and that crew for years... knows more than most table jockeys lol. I'll listen :)