2025 8th Jan comment ... Series dropped before ChatGPT blew up
@acarroll68424 күн бұрын
It's only deterministic when you don't konw the outcome. If you can see the outcome, you can defy it and take a different path.
@Magslife0.018 күн бұрын
The amount of people I have tried to convince to watch this… it takes a special kind of people. UNDERRATED. Still waiting to meet someone IRL to gush about it to. Also, I need to buy this on DVD. 🧐
@villageidiots204126 күн бұрын
Yes... Just check the reply.
@villageidiots204126 күн бұрын
But can it predict the future?
@LksavcdАй бұрын
2024
@khazhixАй бұрын
When this video had more than 10k views It was absolutely an amazing gem Now it still is, but you much closer to this scene
@pkpcklsАй бұрын
I watched this entire series while completely off my tits on ketamine. Highly recommend it
@KeifferJamesM3 ай бұрын
this scene was really powerful. But Lilly making her own decision kind of destroys the whole point. I don't understand why she was able to do that.
@DeimosSaturn5 ай бұрын
One thing that always bothered me about this scene is that it's a view of the visualization chamber that's inverted left and right, but also, we as the audience only hear the audio that's projected 1 second ahead. What about the audio the people 1 second ahead are hearing? They are hearing the audio from 1 second ahead, and those people 2 seconds ahead are hearing the audio 3 seconds ahead, and so on, for however many seconds the projection lasts. You should be able to faintly hear the very last thing that occurs in that scene the moment the projection starts. And it will catch up to the 'present' a second before it closes. We should be faintly hearing "turn it off" just as stewart starts the projection. Ad Nauseum Ad Infinitum. It's a joke about advertisements. The entire box is a metaphor for television (like how the monolith in 2001:A Space Odyssey is a metaphor for a movie screen). The Devs Team are kind of trapped, transfixed, as observers within, seeing themselves, playing their roles slavishly, unable to interfere even if they wanted to, even if they tried to. They are literally watching the world go by, unable to fundamentally change anything, unless they understand that both Free Will and Determinism are illusions. The screen and everything in it are just illusions. Pictures on a screen. None of it is real. Stewart is saying it's not just a simulation, it contains everything including itself, but the people in the projection aren't reacting to seeing themselves in the future. They are reacting to seeing themselves in the past. It's a big lie. We are watching ACTORS ON A SCREEN REACTING TO AN IMPOSSIBLE IMAGE. There's no camera facing them and yet the image is inverted. Forest even makes a joke while watching a back projection of dinosaurs that "this isn't as good as jurassic park". How much more obvious can it be? There's also that whole scene where they are watching Jesus be crucified. They are seeing it in what they describe as "a blizzard". Why don't they just describe how we, the audience, ALWAYS described it? "Snow"? It's like a tv on-the-fritz. It's atmospheric noise. It's what old televisions used to show us when there was no reception. Because it might be too on-the-nose if they said "snow". Until they fix the issue with the bad reception they see the projection as having lots of snow. Linden fixes it and then the picture is nice and clear, but then it goes back to snow beyond a certain point in the future, which signifies the end of the show. From the character's perspective, that is the literal end of their existence. The show literally ends there at the final episode. But the character violates the script as gets sent back to the beginning to live her life differently. A lot of the show is really about people being addicted to media in one form or another. Katie and Lily are the characters who are least attached to images. They are characterized as people who are strong-willed, not satisfied with the easy way out, but Lily believes her actions are a free choice. She believes this because she doesn't look, she acts. She's an actor playing a part in a show, but she cannot fundamentally escape the show. She is dead in both scenarios. She breaks the fourth wall by going against the script. Literally shatters through the looking glass only to be suffocated inside the vacuum. Inescapable. But she survives to play a new role in a new show at the very end. Lily represents someone who goes and makes her own story, she takes action, she takes initiative, she acts decisively and bravely, she doesn't delay, she doesn't wait for something to make her do something, she keeps fighting and fighting to the very end. Forest represents someone who is unable to look away. He's completely obsessed with the pictures on the screen. His eyes look weary and tired, but his stare is intense. He is observant and attentive. A spectator. He watches the watcher (the spy literally uses a CAMERA hidden in a WATCH FACE which is pointed at the camera (us in the audience)), and kills him for it.
@jcgrx2251Ай бұрын
Light is faster than Cations, so what’s fundamentally wrong with a prediction box is our own brains and how slow it processes information.
@TechTehScience5 ай бұрын
One thing I think people fail to understand from what Stewart said is that it's no longer a simulation. If the 'box' is making a multi-world interpertation prediction of literally everything that can, could, and has happened that makes it no different than the 'real world' and similarly some of those 'sims' will have their own version of 'the box'. The box contains us, the box contains everything, and inside the box, there's another box. Ad infinitum, ad nauseum. That machine is quite literally the Universe itself. The Universe has itself created the Universe, Multiverse, and Deus. Or as Lyndon put it: 'it's a perfect circle, it's beautiful'. There is no simulation. There is no real or real-er world. It's all and has always been the box. 'Uh oh'.
@locho413 ай бұрын
But here's the thing though If Devs never existed, the box was never made. Therefore, there are infinites boxes without boxes in it.
@planetofthegapesАй бұрын
@@locho41 At least one universe makes the box, therefore all universes could be said to be within the box.
@Bromanski5 ай бұрын
where to buy this version ?
@lawanbrown165 ай бұрын
I watched this when i was on edibles…Changed my life.
@ZarHakkar6 ай бұрын
The part where the machine can simulate itself is the sci-fi part IRL we run into the limits of computing and the halting problem
@francoisrossi70364 ай бұрын
Isn't the halting problem just another way of saying that a human-made program can't understand infinity ? And isn't infinity irrelevant, as we have no way to prove its reality ?
@winterhtech6 ай бұрын
Such a good scene
@050572robert6 ай бұрын
Sounds like he is saying one second protection, But that Doesn't make sense.The word should be projection
@Dee-VII7 ай бұрын
Bernard?
@Fleischkopf7 ай бұрын
that was one of the most disturbing scenes without violence ive ever seen. great job, alex and theam of devs!
@shulius557 ай бұрын
Lo que es mas terrorifico es el hecho de que no puedan acceder a su "libre albedrio". Un hecho tan aterrador como ver que estas obligado, no fisicamente, sino cuanticamente, a jugar el juego de la vida con unas reglas ya escritas e imposibles de desobedecer. El solo saber que el conocimiento de un solo segundo en el futuro determina que no tienes el control de tu vida, es suficiente para arruinar a cualquier persona. Que la causa no es provocado por nosotros, sino que ya estuvo calculado desde el inicio de los tiempos. Como relata en esta escena, hay una caja adentro de una caja, que contiene otra caja, infinitamente (haciendo referencia a la simulación). La simulación de un segundo en el futuro simula otra simulación de la cual reaccionan cuando se ven en la pantalla, infinitamente. Ellos describen a la tierra como la verdadera "realidad" ya que no existia semejante tecnologia para tener una simulación 99.99% identica a la realidad, donde en ese momento, se dan cuenta que muy probablemente estén dentro de una simulación, y que no habría ninguna manera de saberlo.
@Izgud3138 ай бұрын
Shoes and clothes were scattered everywhere 👀
@shapeshift138 ай бұрын
sentient world simulation already happening
@Spankki9 ай бұрын
Even an infinitely powerful computer wouldn't be able to predict the future if the prediction was allowed to be part of the equation. The computer could only predict the world without influencing it in anyway. It's not that it would make a wrong prediction, it would never be able to complete the equation at all since it would have to know the end result before it has solved the equation.
@TeDynef8 ай бұрын
Thats why there is a box with vacuum and such thigs. It would be possible to predict the future in that room 1 second with a real computer (not the one in the show). You dont have to calculate the whole universe to make a good enough prediction (99.999%) in that room.
@Spankki8 ай бұрын
@@TeDynef The vacuum was to prevent outside forces affecting the delicate Quantum state of the bits from collapsing to a state of particle. People were still going in and out, their actions being a continuum of working on the algorithms and code of the computer interface. So the computer was already affecting the outside world with its predictions and interaction with the programmers, since they led a life outside of the Devs complex. It's just that Forest &Co wanted to reject the many worlds interpretation so much that instead of trying to make things go differently they acted upon to make the predictions come true - like killing the spy Sergei in the first episode. It was only revealed in the last episode that the Devs' calculations weren't absolutely correct when Lily the main protagonist deviated from her behaviour she saw the computer predict. Logically a computer with even infinite computing power would go on an endless loop trying to predict what it would predict it would predict, Ad Infinitum, Ad Nauseam.
@bsatyam9 ай бұрын
What I love about this show is that it gives normies a pause to think for a second whether they truly have the kind of free will they think they have, something physicists (and now neuroscientists and biologists like Sam Harris and Sapolsky, too) have been saying for decades, that you really don't have contra-causal free will, the ability to change our future. Lucky are those that never break this illusion, 'cause it's hard to deal with.
@locho413 ай бұрын
"normies" in current year ok redditor, big chungus fedora
@joaovictorkelima25519 ай бұрын
Thufir Hawat doing mentat calculations
@angelicoctahedron364610 ай бұрын
"I would just do something different" - you see, you can't. The reason is that the thoughts in your brain are actually predeterminated (at least in the world presented in the series). Let's suppose projection shows that you'll raise your hand up. And you will do this, because 1 second later atoms in your brain will be in that position that they form a thought about raising you hand up. The most scariest part here that it's not like "oh no, my hand is moving and i can't control it" - it's not just a neural impulse, this is a full-fledged thought, which is just a state of atoms. People was sure that they form their thoughts by themselves, and now the machine shows them that they actually aren't. They are scared by the realization of that. Ironically, this stressful thoughts was also predeterminated. And they have nothing to do with that but experience one's powerlessness.
@planetofthegapesАй бұрын
Just make it a three second simulation. Are they stupid?
@madimakes11 ай бұрын
heck give me a 2. second projection and i woulda broke the dang thing being erratic
@nanow199011 ай бұрын
Now we are HERE
@Bob_Saccamano11 ай бұрын
From reading the comments, it feels like a lot of people missed the entire point of this scene, thus the entire concept of the show. It's not about simulations, it's about determinism v. free will
@rickdeckard10758 ай бұрын
thats a false dichotomy deliberately designed to put you in an unresolvable decision loop
@TeDynef8 ай бұрын
The one is just pointing to the other thing in the room. Ignore it if you dont like it.
@AIAnimationandMusic11 ай бұрын
imagine getting scared when watching security camera footage
@deltaradiation10 ай бұрын
it showed exactly what they were going to do one second into the future, not what already happened
@BlownMacTruck Жыл бұрын
The point isn’t the insanity, it’s the arbitrary reasoning.
@planetofthegapesАй бұрын
It's literally two people using the machine a couple of times and going, "WELP NO FREE WILL" and then never investigating it further.
@BlownMacTruckАй бұрын
@@planetofthegapes How to say you missed the point without saying you missed the point.
@stevechance150 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Futurama s5e10 with the universe contained in a box. This one kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWG4nJd8qNCqm9Usi=xASXW1hQUCXmle8p
@smithnwesson990 Жыл бұрын
And this..... Is why AI is a REALLY BAD IDEA. just wait until a Brutal Dictator can map entire days ahead of time, manipulate an economy and collapse the world for fun. Maybe we have done this before and we just loop over and over. Create then Destroy. Repeat...
@3lekteon Жыл бұрын
And GO 🕺🏼
@jackhopwood2098 Жыл бұрын
Haha u
@kailynhoffmantherainbowfla260 Жыл бұрын
*puts a blanket on Mario and tucks him in*
@bobbullethalf Жыл бұрын
I hope that we don’t advance that far, we’ll not yet.
@nanow1990 Жыл бұрын
We are very near
@user-fx4hp2em8s Жыл бұрын
@@nanow1990 No we aren't
@Ricky07070909 Жыл бұрын
Will there be another season?
@UC4AQUgrQ9EwVIGoF0w7xHXg11 ай бұрын
No.
@joellevine-n1b Жыл бұрын
you got that right brother!
@seda12 Жыл бұрын
One hell of a way to make a point.
@doubleaz1234 Жыл бұрын
who here after watching black mirror's new season
@HonestObserver Жыл бұрын
I would simply not do what the projection shows me
@IwinMahWay10 ай бұрын
You can't. That's the point
@HonestObserver10 ай бұрын
I'm built different.
@yukizboy3046 Жыл бұрын
IMO all one of them had to do was stop freaking out (easier said than done)... carefully watch what their onscreen counterpart does in the future... and then just do something different and you break the system or split into another reality or whatever.
@stevenuss1482 Жыл бұрын
It doesn't work that way. That's the entire point of the show, and the entire point of determinism.
@avedic Жыл бұрын
The way this was written, shot, and acted....is brilliant. It's such a simple concept....but it clearly took a lot of thought to make it work on screen. What a brilliant little show. Definitely had me aching for a second season. Left me wanting more big time...
@hipmaskedtaco1033 Жыл бұрын
Whats that quote he says right at the end of the clip?
@cryptonit5501 Жыл бұрын
Where did you get the video rights?
@dame_nz2 жыл бұрын
I wish this were a 10min scene where they left the projection going until they were all rocking on the ground in fetal position with crippling anxiety.
@geraltofrivia94242 жыл бұрын
- It doesn't contain us. - ... One second projection.