They guarantee to go over

No! Keep him

Patty Mills and Biyombo would be great options for us

I def want to hear about how J.B did with Sexton and Garland. I'm curious how he makes it work here.

Bad off-season. With 60+ in cap we added one aging starter a couple 3 points specialist backups and a project at pick 5. Bobi has looked impressive and Fred is a great shooting coach.

Best: Holland Worst: Tobi

great show fellas! my favorite move was getting fred Vinson...this man may help everyone on tesm especially when players are in slumps.

Love the show, would love to see your thoughts on the future. Next years FA class, Drafts CFlagg, etc. Moves we should consider if all goes well or not.

30-35

First I think we are overthinking summer league (as a collective fan base) even with Marcus Sasser I mean the set the SL scoring record last year and you couldn’t tell me he isn’t better than he was then..In regards to Ron he got better and more comfortable every single game..

The one thing I think wasn’t talked about enough in the Jaden Ivey equation is..especially towards the end of last season.. he is progressing as a shooter.. he’s shooting career 34% from three but I think within the last 16 games or so he was shooting 39%..I think that progression is what wins Ivey a starting spot over Ausar.. Ausar has to show shooting progression and he just hasn’t yet..you have to further explore Ivey in the starting line up especially with Tobias Harris as a safe guard and veteran piece.. he will help take pressure off both Cade and Ivey.. Also Cade is better at catch and shoot threes which further would make sense for Ivey and Cade

It should only be if we get a Lauri Markonnen or something amazing in return

I don't know what kind of access you all have but there is always basketball to talk about. We can find film on our players and break it down. We can look at defensive rotations, footwork all of that and break it down. Always something to talk about.

JOSH HARRELSON!!!

If we get Tyus, might just win 40+

While it's true that they "didn't bring in anyone who is capable of starting over (Duren)"....they already had one in Stew, and still do. Stew should start because he is a LOT better!

Listening now, and....anybody who thinks the Tobi hire makes them win more (or puts more "pressure" on them to win more, as you describe it)....must not have watched the Sixers last year.

Worst drafting team since Matt millen for 5 years

*Also, recs for the SIVA reference

i would like to hear a podcast on the pistons players trade value from 15-1. including there age contracts etc

What did you think about the game where Sasser had 8 assists? That game, he looked different. Averaged 5 per game in SL, but I didn't think he looked as good creating for others in the other games. But then again, that's never been his game. It's not why he was drafted.

Shocked you both came down on the over. First, if you actually are betting the clear value is in the under. But second, there are multiple incentives for them to tank post-ASB: the 2025 draft is stacked and includes a generational talent in Cooper Flagg. Plus, their draft pick is top 13 protected. Even if they come with the 11th worst record - few unlucky jumps from team behind them could landcthem at pick 14.

Probably less, but it will probably be close.

Really!! After two years and three coaches, it's time to trade him?? This is why the Pistons have been bad. Stupid personnel decisions and the impatience of developing players within the team. I hope Trajan is smarter than the average talking pundent. SMH!

I don't know if we can build around Cade; he's not Zeke, Grant, or Wallace type of player, they have leadership, very unselfish, and will themselves to win. Cade has the skills but not the leadership and the unselfishness, I have not seen it.

Ausar coming off an injury, would make me think they would bring him off the bench

Start Tyus with Cade have them both play 28 minutes a game just like Ivey leaving 12 minutes a game for Beasley, THJ or even Sasser if he manages to earn minutes.

It's too soon to trade Ivey

That would be stupid

Too soon to trade Ivey. But at some point he has to show consistent overall play this season.

Does game 5 ron holland change how you feel? He looked so much better, not just because of the results but the feel, and decision making looked a lot better.

I can see the argument for bringing Ausar off the bench. But saying he "doesn't contribute to the offense" is misleading, at best. He was one of the better offensive rebounders last year. He finished his rookie year at about 48% from the field. Was well over 50% for much of his second half of the season. He finished well. Was opportunistic on cuts and putbacks. Good in transition. Good on his close shots as well as (few) mid-range shots. He's got vision for making the extra pass and operating within the flow of an offense. Good processor. He'll likely expand his playmaking in year 2.

Yes, of course.

I say wait until the trade deadline to come to any conclusions. I’d be listening to offers for Stew and Ivey but not pursing. If you can get either Jaden or Stews shot improved it changes the dynamic of the team

of course listen to offers, but not trade him just for the sake of it.

Absolutely pathetic that Aaron, the owner, couldn’t be on this pod. He doesn’t want bad enough, would love an explanation- the other 2 guys, who I typically don’t care for- did an amazing job on this pod. Way to hold it down fellas.

The outlook of the Pistons looks a lot better with these offseason moves. I believe Ivey and Duren will take huge steps under JB. 25-30 wins seems doable and the 2025 draft is loaded whether they want to keep the pick or trade it on draft day.

If y’all gone pay him on his next contract to not even touch 65 games go ahead pistons

Ivey is inconsistent

I like Pritchard off the bench and capela or Mcgee for a vet rim protector. If I were in charge if trade ivy for lavine and a first rd pick and bring Hardaway off the bench.

can even play 5 out if they want to. stew-toby-tek-thj-cade

Thank you

Fun watch.

I hope you guys hate this Tobi thing as much as I do!

Lets be honest. We gave up the better player to get Cade's buddy. Keeping the franchise player happy is worth losing a few extra games during a year where the team is tanking. Have you forgotten how much Weaver was criticized for giving away Bruce Brown?

Darius garland was never one of the worst players in the league bro lol u might’ve said that wrong or something

We need moe Wagner Pat Bev and trade for Walker Kessler

Ron Holland was best available talent only 18

Yooo

Tobias Harris agreed to a 2-year $52M contract with the Detroit Pistons.