About to purchase the Extended range 77 here in Australia - coming from another EV I have had for 5 years and servicing is $195 every year - cannot understand why the service cost is so high.
@Travel_Day_Dreams13 күн бұрын
Great update on your experience of ownership. Don't you think those servicing costs are outrageous, the majority of work carried out by the dealership is purely a visual inspection. For comparison purposes, were this to be done as an MOT that cost would be £52 for practically the same inspection, throw in and air filter (£12) and you're done.
@wattsefficient13 күн бұрын
🧐I do appreciate your comment. I thought is just me who feels that the cost for servicing is a bit dear. One of the reasons why I made this video was to get feedbacks about this costs too.
@Travel_Day_Dreams13 күн бұрын
@@wattsefficient I think partly the issue is the warranty, the buyer feels compelled to continue dealer servicing in order to rely (at a future date) on any warranty claim being resolved. Although current legislation requires the manufacturer to accept independent servicing provided OEM parts are supplied, there's always a nagging doubt that they would be as complaint as one might expect. Another concern is that software updates are only available via the dealer rather than OTA. These reasons tend to "encourage" the buyer towards dealer servicing (& pricing), perhaps this is by design & where they make their margin ultimately, given the discounting that we currently see on the car itself.
@decisionsdecisions890613 күн бұрын
Really well put together review ❤
@Andrian-MilchevАй бұрын
Really nice video brother, this helped me alot because I also have MG4 Long Range and I'm going to travel to Bulgaria. :D
@wattsefficientАй бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I am glad you found this video useful I am planing again a new trip this year to Romania and it will make a new video to compare what changed since my last trip to Romania. In the next trip I am going to use only Tesla Superchargers as now are more opened for none Tesla EVs and destination chargers for over night stay. For sure it will be much cheaper the whole trip. Stay tune and subscribe to not miss that video.😁😁😁
@alexandermathie667 ай бұрын
I love my solar. I used to have a feedin tariff until my supplier went bust and wouldn't honour my contract. I switched of my inverter and bought 2 stand alone inverters and a 48v forklift battery. I've recently bought a small wind generator also. Free power, beautiful🙏
@steve112117 ай бұрын
Makes you think if you have another failure outside of warranty thats going to be several years savings gone in an instance... Im still not convinced by Solar so thank you for an honest review as it has confirmed my thinking.. I think it can work but its payback time is longer than what they say..
@John_Smith1007 ай бұрын
First! I suppose you can take solace from the fact that in February there isn't a great deal of sunshine anyway.
@wattsefficient7 ай бұрын
You are right. February wasn't a great month. It is a cloudy and gloomy month. In Feb 2023 the production was 146kWh. For me this is a 3rd of the electricity for my EV in a month.
@patriciakelly15509 ай бұрын
Add a battery for storage of your kw
@sun-sea-solar10 ай бұрын
How can you only use ⁵⁰⁰kwh
@rafabumgardner128711 ай бұрын
"PromoSM" ✨
@daddio7249 Жыл бұрын
My 11k solar system is a prep (Florida, hurricanes) that I paid cash for, not worried about ROI. I have 20kWh battery storage and plan on adding 10kWh of batteries and 8 more 460 watt panels (that will max out the charge controllers in my AIO inverters). Total cost with added panels and batteries, $25,000 USD.
@jimlymm Жыл бұрын
Echos my thoughts. We need to see installed battery cost half to get any decent ROI even at todays elec costs. The degradation over the 10 years warranted life is 30% so that also impacts the usable capacity. Once gas drops out of generation costs, the electricty rates will drop making the difference between peak and off peak much lower making payback even harder. I also think some people don't know/forget that solar export now pays 15p, therefore thats the effective cost of the electrictity if they divert it to a battery rather than the off peak rate of 7-8p.
@sun-sea-solar10 ай бұрын
15kwh fogstar £2500
@jimlymm10 ай бұрын
Showing as £3000 on pre-order. and that doesn't include install or inverters. Even at that price it would cost 8p per kwh, which is about breakeven ( ignoring return on investing 3k elsewhere ). Its still an enviromental play rather than a financially sound purchase.
@Umski Жыл бұрын
Everyone has their own circumstances - you have the EV and a smart tariff but otherwise your use is low. I have 4kWp PV with total use of 2000kWh/yr though I have the legacy feed-in-tariff which pays pittance for export. However the PV has dropped import to 800kWh and I divert as much excess as possible to hot water which saves 250 days of using gas (8kWh/day). Daily use is around 5kWh so in 2022 I stumped up for a 4.8kWh battery and an AC coupled battery inverter which through 2023 dropped my import to 175kWh which actually surprised me. Since I pay the standard rate for all electricity my ROI is similar to my PV of around 7 years (battery set up came in at around £2.2k). In the winter for about 8 weeks over the solstice it doesn’t do much and that’s where having a smart tariff to charge it overnight would be a bonus. Ultimately my aim is to be as self sufficient as possible and wean off gas which currently requires 10-12MWh of gas/yr - next step will be a heat pump and an EV which will take electricity use higher and maybe might warrant a bigger battery (unless V2x inverters become more widely available). Each to their own!
@Ant86744 Жыл бұрын
You will see a big drop in prices now the Vat has been removed. There is also a lot of competition now and battery technology is changing rapidly
@ausnorman8050 Жыл бұрын
8Kw solar system in Tasmania Australia + Inverter/grid feed in etc and 10kw of battery storage, cost us $21k AUD. 3month power bills were 700-1000 for 4 people 2 of are teens and use power like its going out of fashion... After last summer 3month bill it was $970* andfirst full billing cycle with this setup was only $121.60. Saving about $2500-3000year so will pay for itself in 6.5yrs. Spend money to make/save money.
@nitantharani6301 Жыл бұрын
also grid power cost will increase over this 6.5 year, bring ROI for you in 5.5-6 years probably
@eco-terrorist Жыл бұрын
You could use the same calculations on the car. Cost of car, charger etc
@glenthegoalsguy Жыл бұрын
Previously i came to the same conclusion in Australia
@occamraiser Жыл бұрын
Surely they simply aren't worth buying, operating and regularly replacing, in a world where you can sell spare electricity to the grid? Batteries have no meaningful role in any domestic system that is connected to mains supply. My 3KWh backup batteries have been waiting for a lengthy power cut for 9 years now.... But since I don't charge and discharge them and keep them topped up I hope they haven't aged..... Lead Acid, heavy, but reliable......and spontaneous-combustion-free.
@ausnorman8050 Жыл бұрын
My 10kwh of storage is Lipo4 aka no fire mate like Lithium-ion. Lipo4 has 4000+ cycles @ 80% charge capacity or about 10yrs everyday usage, Lithium-ion is about 500 cycles for 80% and fire risk* You do you and we'll do us, but just if you weren't aware how the techs changed a bit in 5yrs-10yrs.
@gerdbeutler3728 Жыл бұрын
You are lucky to live in a country with a stable Grid, which I'm not. But with a small 5kWh Battery and Netmeter you can save a lot, that's true, as cost of Batteries is way to high. I just use a DIY 10kWh Batt. Which costs around 1200$ incl. BMS, so for 5kWh only 600$. As my wife & me both make our money online, we depend on stable energy. The losses of being offline for a day will wipe out all your calculations.
@kalliste23 Жыл бұрын
Batteries need to get way cheaper. You could buy a tri-fuel generator for 1000-1500$ and will last forever if taken care of. A generator will have a decent resale value unlike batteries with a few years on them.
@MrBlacknass Жыл бұрын
What is your actual average energy consumption per day (without any solar)? Just curious.. You definitely don't need a battery with these numbers. And for sure with these consumption numbers you are single and you don't drive long distances haha. In my house in Corfu/Greece heating/cooling with heat pump, 4 members Family with children, no EV, we return at home at 5 every day from 8 in the morning and there is no night tarif, a battery would be the only way since grid providers pay close to nothing and during sunshine we are away. Our average per year is 23,4KWh/day and winter is getting from 25 to 45 KWh dayly depending of how much we stay at home or how cold it is. As you, I have already done my calculations and I am definitely going with battery system. Still not done it, because I must do a 3-Phase (because of my heat pump) system and the cost is a bit difficult at the moment. Anyway I run my shop on 1,2KW Solar / 3KVA Inverter with 9KWh AGM battery bank (there is no need for batteries there) but because I work in marine electronics I happen to have source of free (used) batteries so I use them for power backup and a bit more efficiency. Just for the story, my solar panels produce 1600kWh per year in my area. The plan for this year is to go 3KW solar and it will cover 75 to 80% of the needs of my shop.
@johnrush3596 Жыл бұрын
Nice video. Really battery storage only makes sense when you are storing the energy produced onsite. The losses are lower and so this is more environmentally sound. A 3kw system would average around 9kwh a day meaning sizing to around 10kwh would make more sense. Using your shower as the biggest load seems strange as the total time it is on is not worth considering for reducing costs. Heavier items such as the washing machine/cooker/water heater/dish wisher are better to consider. An inverter that can handle 3.68kw is likely fine and this makes battery choice cheaper meaning something like a solis or lux or fox with 48v pylontech 4.8kwh batteries more viable. Two of those batteries give up to 200A discharge in parallel meaning eaily meeting a 3.68kw inverter. Also 3.68kw mean you may be ok with g98 approval, as long as te dno is happy. Based on your usage, excluding the car, that means for household usage you would be off grid between late march and early october, offseting a large amount of consumption. You would loose out on export payments, so this comes down to accounting how much the energy from the pv array is worth compared to export payments in reducing your peak usage. The other element is praticality, wih storage in place you can run heavy items during peak times and maybe take advantage of larger export rates during the 6pm to 8pm period, assuming you are on a tariff that will support the larger payments. Lots to think about.
@stuartburns8657 Жыл бұрын
Agree in principle but his home usage is very low. We are a family of 4 in the UK. 15*395w PV and 8.2kwh battery with 5k inverter. We used 3400 kwhs in 2023. 1400 from PV and 1600 from battery. The remaining 400 from the grid. However, out of this grid usage, 322 was from a cheap time of day tariff, so 8.5pkwh vs 30pkwh. Only 16 months into ownership, but ROI well ahead of projections, as one thing I never took into account was factoring in I could reduce our direct debit utility payment. Pre install (Sept 22) it was 136pm for E&G. I reduced it to £40pm so that is over £90pm saving. When you add record export rates (went as high as 20pkhw I entered this winter with over £1150 in credit. During the leaner months PV wise, we set the dishwasher / tumbler and dryer (heat pump condensing) to only run in the 4 hour cheaper window. The battery is topped during this time, and we start at 04:30am with 100% battery. Between modest PV generation, it typically lasts enough to manage cooking the evening meal and other daily activities. Mid March to late Oct, the battery is set to run 100% solar, no grid top up, although if the weather is looking grim we can manually override that. Don't own an EV, and I kind of agree that buying a battery to store excess energy is somewhat silly, and you may as well switch to an EV tariff, which is pennies per kwH, and use the PV export to offset the costs.
@sarahjrandomnumbers Жыл бұрын
I've got a 16kWh battery with no solar, and it's paying itself back nicely. But then again, I have 4 hours of charging at 9p/kWh, compared to the standard variable rate of 28p, so that's about a £2 per day saving, which isn't bad tbh.
@stuartburns8657 Жыл бұрын
@@sarahjrandomnumbers So you avg daily usage is what in kwH?
@sarahjrandomnumbers Жыл бұрын
@@stuartburns8657 About 10-15kWh a day.
@offgridwanabe Жыл бұрын
Well maybe price goes up shortening the ROI but maybe it goes down. More panels are cheaper especially used panels.
@sun-sea-solar Жыл бұрын
If you live in the UK. No hope. Maybe get 2kwh a day if you are lucky in the winter
@terrymackenzie6784 Жыл бұрын
I have the MG4 standard range, 3.8kW panels, 15kWh of battery and a Zappi charger. I was on Octopus Go and export light tariff and had a net zero cost for electricity for the house and car for the six months April to September, I'm now on Intelligent Octopus Go and it's looking even better. If I were you I would forget more solar and think about battery storage that you charge up overnight I never draw from the grid at peak time so all my winter consumption is at the now 7.5 p/kWh rate. Net cost for electricity int October was £4.50 for a total of 453 kWh used in the car and home. November so far is about £23 net cost. The Zappi is great but now I'm on Intelligent Octopus Go tariff and should be get the 15 p/kWh export rate so next summer I will charge the car and house batteries overnight and export as much as I can effectively what I'm doing now in the winter months
@wattsefficient Жыл бұрын
That's impressive! It's great to hear about your positive experience with solar panels, battery storage, and the Intelligent Octopus Go tariff. Achieving a net-zero cost for electricity for both your home and car over the summer months is a significant accomplishment. Your approach of utilizing battery storage to avoid drawing from the grid at peak times is a smart strategy, and it seems like you've optimized your energy consumption effectively. My next video is about home battery and Octopus Intelligent GO. Stay tune I have an interesting conclusion.
@terrymackenzie6784 Жыл бұрын
@@wattsefficient tonight trying force discharge to grid as part saving session I'll let you know if I earn any more back
@terrymackenzie6784 Жыл бұрын
Get a referal link and change to Octupus Energy, if you can get a battery
@paulcolu Жыл бұрын
I have a similar set up to you with battery. 3KW panels, 10kwhr battery, Zappi charger and MG4 Trophy. I use eco setting in the spring and summer which provides most of my car charging needs for free and charge overnight in autumn and winter on low octopus energy rates. A full charge costing about £6 for approx 250 miles
@wattsefficient Жыл бұрын
I am so happy that you shared with us your set up. I currently have an octopus intelligent Go which is so convenient for me. I charge the car from the grid with 7.5pp/kWh and I export with 8pp/kWh. I am also thinking to not buy a battery. I did not run any calculations yet but I am about to do in the next 2 weeks and release a video about this. It looks like that what I am exporting through the year I will buy it back cheaper to charge the car over night. This Intelligent Go option has been recently released by Octopus.
@ricco123tube Жыл бұрын
I have 3.25kw solar. My ev has a setting where you can reduce the AC current rate from 100% to 90% and 60%. This allows the solar diversion to work from 800 watts. You are probably better off charging at night with a cheap rate tariff and investing in a storage battery to harness the solar energy.
@wattsefficient Жыл бұрын
May I ask you what EV you are driving ?
@offgridwanabe Жыл бұрын
Solar was never meant to replace the utility but to make the bill cheaper.
@wattsefficient Жыл бұрын
"Solar panels were never meant to replace the utility but to make the bill cheaper" is partially accurate. Solar panels were originally designed to harness sunlight and convert it into electricity, primarily for residential and commercial use. Their primary goal was to reduce dependence on fossil fuels and conventional electricity sources, making them a more environmentally friendly and cost-effective alternative. Solar panels can indeed lower utility bills by generating electricity from a renewable source, thereby reducing the amount of electricity purchased from the grid. However, the extent to which solar panels can replace traditional utility power depends on various factors, including the size of the solar panel system, local climate conditions, energy consumption patterns, and government incentives or policies. In some cases, with the right configuration and conditions, solar panels can generate more electricity than a household or business needs, allowing excess energy to be fed back into the grid or stored for later use. This can lead to net energy savings and even financial benefits, as excess energy may be credited or compensated by the utility. So, while solar panels may not completely replace the utility for all users, they can significantly reduce electricity bills and contribute to a more sustainable and cost-effective energy solution, making the statement generally accurate.
@sun-sea-solar Жыл бұрын
I was watching a new post. £60,000 array that still uses the grid 😂😂
@sun-sea-solar Жыл бұрын
This is why my was offgrid system rather than grid tied. 2.3kw solar 8000 watt inverter and 7.5kw battery storage. I used all the power nothing was exported and eon had to refund me £800 because it wasn't a buy in tariff. So the value was exactly what they charged me 👍 that system cost me £4000 and everything can be changed by myself and removed easily
@wattsefficient Жыл бұрын
It sounds like you've had a positive experience with your off-grid solar system, especially in terms of managing your energy consumption and receiving a refund from your energy provider. Off-grid systems can indeed provide independence and control over your energy usage. The fact that you were able to use all the generated power without exporting any and receiving a refund for the excess is a great advantage. It also seems like you've achieved a good balance between your solar generation, inverter capacity, and battery storage. The flexibility to change and remove components easily is another significant advantage, allowing you to adapt to evolving energy needs or technological advancements without significant hassle or cost. This kind of adaptability can be crucial as solar technology continues to advance. Overall, it's great to hear about your success with the off-grid system, both in terms of energy self-sufficiency and financial benefits. If you have any specific questions or if there's anything else you'd like to share about your experience, feel free to let me know!
@sun-sea-solar Жыл бұрын
@@wattsefficient I was a little bit out on my figures. My battery was actually only 4.6 kwh 2500wh was main battiers at 24 volts. My bluetti ac200max is 2056 wh at 48 volts. But still very pleased. But if I was to do it again would of done a 48volt setup right from the start
@wattsefficient Жыл бұрын
I was looking recently to purchase a home battery and my next video will be about this. Stay tune it coming soon @@sun-sea-solar
@Eltube424 Жыл бұрын
Ciprian învață să utilizezi energia produsă de panouri mai eficient în timpul zilei. Automatizează și ai să vezi diferența😊. Stocarea nu este ieftină și nu cred că va fi. Succes.
@offgridwanabe Жыл бұрын
The trick is how do find time to charge your car in the day time as you are at work and likely it rains on the weekends lol.
@wattsefficient Жыл бұрын
Charging an electric car with solar panels can indeed present challenges, especially when you're away at work during the day and faced with unfavourable weather conditions on the weekends. An option will be Home Energy Storage Systems (HESS): Consider investing in a home energy storage system (such as a battery). This allows you to store excess solar energy generated during the day for use during cloudy periods or at night. You can charge your electric car using the stored energy when it's more convenient. Or use the grid as a battery if you can buy the electricity exported during the day with the same price during the night. This is my next video, Home energy Storage System of The Grid. Home battery: Yes or No? Stay tune
@offgridwanabe Жыл бұрын
@@wattsefficient I do both but still even with almost 48kw of panels I cannot do both run a house and a car but I do live in Canada where winter takes all I can make, now in the summer no problem.
@offgridwanabe Жыл бұрын
Buy a cheap timer and heat your water during the day time, only do laundry when the sun shines, cook your meals in the day and heat them up with induction plate at night, change all your lights to led. I use your yearly amount every month especially in winter you need lots more panels to export 3-5 times what you use because they pay so little for exported power.
@wattsefficient Жыл бұрын
You gave me great idea for a video. Thank you for your comment.
@topeye4202 Жыл бұрын
Build your own battery as for example "Digital Mermaid" or "Off-grid Garage" explains and I hope you already have a hybrid inverter, I bought the PowMr 4,5Kw, which is good. Lifepo4 battries I bought from REPT, other are fan from Eve. Compressing the cells together in a whole pack with a force of 300Kg extend the cyclelife, i use 4 steel rods, bend them in a slight zigzag and made M4 threads at the ends. The M4 nuts must be tighten with 0,565Nm (i do it with spanner an a luggage scale) to reach the 300Kg. In total I payed 2000 Dollars for the complete system with 9pcs 360Wp panels, 24V 280Ah battery, Jikong 2A BMS, Transfer switches (i am not grid tied, but can switch to grid if needed, I need a lot when sun is shining for aircondition and the batteries brings 6KWh in to evening or night, the other transfer switch is to switch big consumers as kitchen and workshop as I wish ongrid or offgrid, I use 100% of my solar production by my self!), cables, breakers, Boxes, cables... If you have any questions, feel free...: )
@nosh121081 Жыл бұрын
Did you have a battery
@wattsefficient Жыл бұрын
No, I don't have a battery.
@sun-sea-solar Жыл бұрын
@@TOM-TOM-TOMmine would be paid of in 4.5 years
@sun-sea-solar Жыл бұрын
@@TOM-TOM-TOM that's about right.
@sun-sea-solar Жыл бұрын
@@TOM-TOM-TOM deespaek 200ah lifepo4 battery x 2 running a 24 volt system. They cost £500 each
@sun-sea-solar Жыл бұрын
Each one is 2560wh
@garryjackson9161 Жыл бұрын
Your Fabia will last 20 years your MG will not! Your fabia can be refuelled using cash 💰 your MG can’t
@acemic2050 Жыл бұрын
5 problems with EV's : 1) if there will be more EVs cars on the roads companies going to increase prices for charging on charging stations ( I think now is the best time / cheap time to drive electric car). 2) if there will be more than 30-60% of EV charging ( by private owners ) in one time in many countries electric cables around properties/ cities going to burn, wires are to thin for that amperage ( 2 guys who are working at power stations (,from Italy and from France) told me about that problem. 3) for how much can sell you EV car with 50k more miles? and how long it will take you to sell it ? Is not worth to replace the batteries after warranty in most of these cars. 4) when electric cars are on fire, , they can burn for long time with everything around 5) when EV is involved in even small accident insurance sompany is going to scrap it, if you do not have curtesy car is a long waiting time for many cars. how long is waiting time for new tesla X in Europe ? 2 or maybe even 3 years.? I was driving tesla 3 for 3 days, nice fast car I do not have any prejudice, but at the moment (and in next 5-10 years) too many problems.
@peterjones6322 Жыл бұрын
Sign up to Octopus Energy FLUX tarrif which is currently paying 19p/kwh and 30p/kwh at peak rate between 4-7 pm every day.
@Marz2695 Жыл бұрын
Octupus energy will buy your electricity for £0.15/kwh so you'd have made £384
@340wbymag Жыл бұрын
I recently purchased an 48 volt EG4 inverter and 5kw LifePower4 battery to serve as a backup for those rare times when our power goes out. I like that I can just plug the inverter/charger into the grid to keep the battery charged, but that isn't satisfactory. I could get by for a short time, but if the power was down for long the battery would become useless without solar panels. I ordered six 415 watt panels a couple of days ago, so I'll have just under a 2.5kw system (totally off grid). I could use six more panels, but don't have space for them now. I am satisfied that my emergency backup system will provide plenty of power to meet our small needs when grid power is not available, but I am not yet sure how I will utilize the power I produce during normal times after the battery has been charged. I won't know that until I see what the panels will actually produce here in my cloudy part of the world. They should be delivered in a week or so. I am eager to see the system in operation! In my case saving money wasn't the goal, but there will surely be some small savings. The important thing is that we won't be without power in a crisis. At our advanced age a power outage could quickly lead to a serious health emergency.
@whistling_jim Жыл бұрын
Have you considered purchasing a small home storage battery? This will improve your efficiency by being able to consume more electricity when there is no solar available.
@wattsefficient Жыл бұрын
Great question David. I was interested since I installed the solar panels. A home storage battery is on my short list right now. For the moment I am diverting majority of my solar production into the car's battery.
@gibroon4418 Жыл бұрын
I doubt I could drive that far going 60mph but it just shows how efficient these cars can be. Good work and the tesla chargers seem like a really good deal when going long distances. Hoping to get myself an MG4 next year sometime. Saving my pennies at the moment. 😃
@wattsefficient Жыл бұрын
Good luck with your saving, sounds like you are on the right path. I did the same, I drove a Skoda Fabia 1.2L for 4 year and this car helped me to save some money to switch to MG4 EV.
@VLASENKAUK Жыл бұрын
I am driving my MG4 Trophy volcano orange twice a year cross EU.4200 miles return distance with no problem.Only difference is my speed that is about 70 miles per hour and 3.7kw per mile.I did this EU trip a few times in the past With MG 5 EV.I love EV cars.
@wattsefficient Жыл бұрын
I agree with you when driving with 70 miles/h the consumption is around 3.7 miles per kWh.