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@xmdang3 Күн бұрын
I use a variation of contact point aiming and cj Wiley alignments (center to center/center to edge and then subconsciously triangulate the angle)
@Poolhalljunkee 2 күн бұрын
true. a bit too much talkin ... nothing wrong, but too much... they should have time, to transfer the things to the table.
@Trang-A-Lang 2 күн бұрын
Her question about your coaching philosophy possibly being another form of aiming system is GOLD. I agree with many of what you’re coaching but, from a level 3 myself, and someone who has an uncommon way of thinking, telling me that only your way is correct, will probably cause me to shut down and not commit to learning. Fundamentals are a must, elbow, staying down, keeping still but even stance, grip, bridge, and stroke have room for interpretation. The mistake I feel you’re making in saying to her is “you don’t see pros doing that” which discounts all the things it took for them to get there which is to hit a million balls and the “feel” that you’re teaching is only reliable after doing so. Not sure if you already asked her but you should learn how does she currently aim shots? How does she visual things, and then give her feedback from what you have observed during her matches. Personally, I respond well and it makes it easier to adjust my habits when things are explained to me with examples that I can identify with and relate to. Teaching a 3 to feel the shot when that can only be developed through hitting a million balls doesn’t seem effective. Coaches have to realize that we are not 3 year olds and can be molded from scratch. Learning something new as an adult means fighting decades of bad and different habits so as a student in pool, I urge coaches to learn what those habits are and to have a coaching plan that is customized for each player. I hope my comment doesn’t offend you and I could be dead wrong according to your experience but in case you have any players that can’t seem to progress, I wanted to offer some perspective that could explain why. HAVE A GREAT APA SEASON!
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 Күн бұрын
I really appreciate your well thought out comments and cannot disagree with much of it. You are correct that the pros shot a million shots to get where they are, and that amateurs can never be expected to achieve that. But if your goal is like Robin's goal, which is to become a very skilled amateur player, than a few hours a week will do, and you will be limited if you do not learn to have a "feel" for the shot during those hours you are working to improve. And one of the number one things to avoid as an amateur that wants to improve is using mechanical approaches to aim. The main reason for this is that as you improve and begin to appropriately add spin to the cue ball, those mechanical approaches go out the window and you will have to develop feel, so you might as well do it from the beginning. I certainly DID NOT say the way I was teaching Robin is the "only" way that is correct. In fact, I told her that there are other ways to do it but that about 80-90% of people would benefit most from getting the feel instead of relying on mechanical approaches. Moreover, every student I work with is viewed as a distinct individual and over time the approach is more and more tailored to their individual characteristics as they are discovered. In Robin's case, we have spent a lot of time working on her fundamentals and will continue to do so. The main part of coaching is to pay attention to the individual and tailor the approach to the needs of that particular person, not to some idea. But beyond the individual focus, there are some generalized principles that will limit progress, and one of the most important ones is aiming. You will never become a proficient amateur if you do not learn to hone in on the "feel" of each shot you are faced with. How one gets to experiencing that "feeling" can be achieved by a variety of paths. I am exploring a path that I think will work for Robin, (and most other players), but if it does not we will begin to take other approaches as I clearly say in the video. So, while I agree with most of what you say, I reject the idea that I said or suggested there was an "only way" to achieve the goal of improving aim. Again, thanks for your comments and good luck with your progress.
@Trang-A-Lang Күн бұрын
@@jimsplacebilliards-5499 Thank you much!
@sfb1pkt Күн бұрын
you are a skill level 3, your input is irrelevant. open your ears and close your mouth is the best thing for you to do.
@Trang-A-Lang Күн бұрын
@@sfb1pkt Go ahead I’m listening…
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 21 сағат бұрын
@@sfb1pkt I disagree completely. Her input is totally relevant. Every student of any discipline has feelings about how they want to interact with their coach and those feelings are totally relevant. some of the worst people I know of when it comes to teaching are expert pool players who have no understanding of the importance of looking at the individual and how they are currently doing things and how they can improve. Instead they think they can just say "do it like I do". You are just wrong to not listen to input from the student.
@traveler614 2 күн бұрын
Ryan got what they call chicken wing arm position. I've tried it and used it and there are some benefits to it. I like to experiment with stance ,foot position,arm position, head position etc.....Also aiming by feel , ghost ball CTE , the Al Houle version ( which i prefer because it's simple) etc.... i play around with all that up to a point when sometimes i can't make a ball because my brain gets confused lol! And i get frustrated. I'm not a bad player some say that i'm close to semi pro but i just don't care about that i just love that wonderful game.I just turned 60 in July and i'm still hooked on that game. ( since i was 12) btw i like the way you teach you make a lot of sense and you're smart and i'm also in love with Robin so i like to watch you teaching her :) cheers!
@onsam 3 күн бұрын
Thank you for this.
@Danks-vz5xz 3 күн бұрын
That checklist for robin, should only have one thing on it.
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 21 сағат бұрын
How would that work exactly?
@user-mt4vp5pw2i 4 күн бұрын
Great lesson thank you very much I learned a lot.
@viigihabe 4 күн бұрын
It is a good video. Thumbs up. But You can go between 30 and 90. Its touchy, but can be done. The idea is simple though. In a straight line it is a concept of stop-roll (not stop-follow). Basically a failed stop shot. With small cutting angles there are times when you have to force the roll. Don't get confused with force-follow. For example when object ball is near cushion, you have small angle to work with, 90-degree rule is not an option and you need the cue ball to bounce. If you don't need a bounce then you obviously hit it softly. But when you need a bounce - as a host said: cue ball will start with 90-degree angle - then as you hit harder and 90-degree rule is what you get. But you can force the roll by adding a top spin to it. If too much then it will be follow shot and it will straighten the cue ball path. A touch top side that is. (Although, in this case it might be just 30-degree rule. But read on). There are times when small movement after the contact is needed. For example to make shot firmer at contact moment but still soft at momentum perspective. Rolling has momentum in itself. So the drag-shot has been invited. By combining this idea that cue ball starts rolling just about before contact (or exactly then) one can produce angles between 90-degree rule and 30-degree rule. Just as right-left spins exist simultaneously so will the roll to the sideways coexist with roll forward. To clarify: if you make a "failed" stop shot where cue ball rolls say - 1 round forward - at the cut shot you will get the 90-degree roll + 1 circumference of a cue ball to forward. As both happen at the same time it will change the direction accordingly. Forward roll will fade in its tempo and sideways roll will in its own. There is one really good practice that helps smoothen your stroke. I searched some time again for it, but I got a drill called brainwash. It might be that I changed it myself or back then I stumbled upon the other one. I remembered the drill as "headache". The difference between those is that in "brainwash" you place the balls distributed just about evenly, but in "headache" you place them in a center of the table. For starters - balls should not touch each other. It is still difficult, but if it feels too simple just drop the balls - including the white - and go from there. But the principle is the same - no ball may touch the wall after the strike. You will have small windows and you may need to stop your cue ball with other balls, because you cant hit the wall - but remember: the ball you bounced on may not hit the wall neither. All the shots are needed. Typical stun stop. A draw stop. Extension of the latter - drag stop - it is when you can see cue ball decelerating before hitting the object ball. Needed when 90-degree rule is necessary but very little movement of a cue ball afterward. And also (stop-)follow derivatives. And there will be times when you need cue ball come off not by 90-rule, not by 30-rule, but something else. Because you hit always smooth and softly, very occasionally with power, the movements are in limited scopes - you will work them out. I guarantee that after few month your stroke will be nice and smooth (almost :D) as magicians Efren Reyes or Chris Melling have. Yes, long range stokes will improve spontaneously. You'll be amazed. For bank-wise position play it does not help much. Still, first of all - you'll get smooth strike and nice follow through (probably even if you didn't know about follow through) and you will know what is the direction cue ball is taking. Where it goes after hitting the bank is another story with all the side-spins it gets while doing so. PS! This concrete shot might be due to "cheating the pocket" thus the 90-degree rule might have been exactly what we see. It is hard to judge from this angle, but I think that the drag just weared off and the angle wasn't exactly 90 degree: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoDKq5dvqq2nqNU
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 21 сағат бұрын
It is not generally a good idea to teach "touchy" things to beginning students. What they need to advance is to understand stop, follow, draw, cheating the pocket (balls near the pocket, not distant ones), and the 30 and 90 degree rules. When they reach an APA level 5 they might be ready to start manipulating the cue ball with complex stun shots and with spin, but not before that. All you will do is confuse things by inputting elements that are too complex.
@viigihabe 17 сағат бұрын
@@jimsplacebilliards-5499 You are correct on that, yes.
@davedorning3940 5 күн бұрын
This is good stuff! Alot of instructors give you a bunch of drills to learn how to get shape but this 30 90 concept is just pure truth. Very good lesson!
@Danks-vz5xz 5 күн бұрын
It looks like he has the fear.
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 21 сағат бұрын
What does that mean?
@user-ou4ut3yy1j 6 күн бұрын
Yeah!
@Danks-vz5xz 6 күн бұрын
It is ultimately their own decision to either practice and commit to getting better or stay a lifelong 2. There are so many lifelong 2's and 3's that think just that playing league matches is enough practice to get better. To be honest, it actually makes your game worse.
@jaynosowsky9708 7 күн бұрын
You should probably teach her , to keep her arm and hands loose first , pool isn't about muscle
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 6 күн бұрын
Teaching a loose grip and lower arm are critically important. And previously I have gone through that with her. But at this stage she is learning foot placement and alignment. If she is not aligned properly, it won't matter if the has perfect arm movement,ent, she will not be successful. First and foremost she has to be aligned properly as she comes down on the shot, and then we will add in arm movement, grip, bridge, and stroke elements. Thanks for your comment.
@jaynosowsky9708 6 күн бұрын
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 the blonde girl , in your video, was gripping the cue tight and you can see her arm flexing...the other girl was doing better. Stance is one of the most important things...you should teach them , to aim , figure out how hard to hit it, where to hit on the cue ball when there standing up....that way when they get down on the shot...they only have to focus on making the shot...you can see them thinking to much when there down on the shot..and thank you
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 21 сағат бұрын
@@jaynosowsky9708 I would love to see you spend an hour with a student and teach them everything about the stance and stroke and expect them to do it all at once. I will patiently wait for the video of your success in that task.
@valentenicoletti3622 8 күн бұрын
I m a trainer too 😂 , i would like to get paid 1 cent pro word each Training... it would be a ton of money ! Really good and polite trainer ! Good job man
@robertbyington7715 9 күн бұрын
The issue is both these players don’t look at the table in terms of all makable shots they just lock on to the first shot they THINK they can make and that’s what they shoot. Just like the ball in hand why waste a BIH on a shot you can make in any pocket. BIH should only be used for balls you can’t get to any other way. One of the most important things I learned about ball in hand is knowing you can put the CB anywhere on the table count the number of pockets a particular ball can be made in and the low number is probably the ball to shoot.
@martinlepper4522 12 күн бұрын
Something like.....Zen.
@JohnBowl14690 17 күн бұрын
Great video. A chance to see Fedor goof off a little and see him try some crazy shots.
@JohnBowl14690 17 күн бұрын
Ryan Hogans (653) vs Fedor Gorst (843)
@JohnBowl14690 17 күн бұрын
Fedor Gorst (843) vs AJ Overholt (404).
@korystewart3799 18 күн бұрын
Can't believe I am hearing about this match through KZbin. Some great people and players from Ryan's part of the world. Awesome to see Fedor playing with the fans.
@johnhayes6414 22 күн бұрын
Robin stance her legs are too close together on every shot
@larsNNS 23 күн бұрын
I started playing billiards about 6 months ago it’s videos like yours that I appreciate the most. It’s both educational and entertaining, so thank you!
@onsam 23 күн бұрын
Thank you for the video. It was very enjoyable and informative. And your comments are great.
@martinlepper4522 26 күн бұрын
Very good players having fun. Thanks Jim......Love your room.
@billpugh4162 28 күн бұрын
Great place you have and wonderful things you are doing keep up the good work ❤
@ashtonduke4338 28 күн бұрын
So happy I got to play the best💪 definitely a lifetime experience.
@PaulCourville 29 күн бұрын
And yet Johnny Archer has broken every rack in the same way that she did…
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 26 күн бұрын
Note to Paul. They are not Johnny Archer. After they become an APA 6 or 7 or get a Fargorate over 500, they may want to begin to emulate more complex elements by pros to advance further. But right now, hitting the spot they are aiming at on the cue ball is a real challenge, and it becomes more of a challenge with a complicated stroke. Moreover, most APA 3 level players should not even want to break the rack up much because they cannot run a rack but their opponent may be able to so they are just giving their opponent an advantage if they do a spectacular b read and then cannot follow up with a table run.
@jessecumbee6156 29 күн бұрын
Super good advice on the break. She reached out as far a her arm would go
@dustinp26 23 күн бұрын
Useless advice lol she's reaching because her stance is so far off the table. Explain why she's reaching instead of telling her just to control it
@Jmorrisfishing Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing Jim. I wish I took a bit more time on that 9 ball for sure. What an awesome day.
@BooksNGuns Ай бұрын
She's a cutie! Looks like she works out, too. Plus, she's into pool? #Keeper This was a great format that isn't common on KZbin. I got a few great tips about shot choice. I enjoyed this. 2 thumbs up.
@MartinSmith-qt3cc Ай бұрын
Gilf pool
@alfedtron9043 Ай бұрын
people with large chests need to use a wider stance to move the chest out of the way
@arkman49 Ай бұрын
Great video! The basics are so important.
@godjhaka7376 Ай бұрын
I love watching this. I never played tournaments and would never do APA or any league like it, but if I did APA they'd have to start me at an 8 or 9 LOL. That's just what shooting everyday, doing drills day in and day out, breaking for an hour or better for break practice, and staying down focused not playing others but playing yourself and these drills get you
@jimlockhart4171 Ай бұрын
Her elbow is too much in behind the body so on the forward stroke it moves out to clear her breast
@RobScha Ай бұрын
Very terrible background noise
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 Ай бұрын
Construction in the building as explained in the video.
@davidpoe7319 Ай бұрын
Love that you are trying to teach... (Just my opinion) , next time for your students sake, & for the sake of whom may possibly think of following you, schedule your time to avoid the construction crew... As a former producer & a pool coach, you are holding yourself and your student back.... We as players all have to learn to overcome distraction, but one thing at a time... Again..., just my opinion, but her stance and stroke is not from a good foundation; her wing is in on every shot. Not sure of her age nor how long she has played, but if bad habits can be caught early, they can be corrected. If bad habits have been formed over a number of years, then sometimes best to just build from there... This woman has good skills & potential... I would (as a coach) see that i gave her a great environment for the lesson, & also focus on foundational skills 1st (not saying you haven't), then build from there.... If she is having "any" problems potting balls (center ball) on a 9' table, teaching draw, any spin or english is just complicating her learning... One step at a time; foundation first.... ....build from there. Not banging on you Brother, just from one coach to another... Keep on teaching... This game (for many of us) is in our blood and truly a part of who we are... Glad you have and share a deep passion for a great game, as I do as well... !! Much love and peace to ya... , & God bless...
@PaulCourville Ай бұрын
You’ve managed to eliminate all of the fun out of playing Pool… it’s not rocket science it’s Pool!!!
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 9 күн бұрын
I think it is an absolute truism that the better you are at pool the more fun you have.
@procrastinator6902 Ай бұрын
32:00 I'm sorry, but he did not stroke this well at all. His shoulder dropped alot here and his cue tip went straight up. Definitely have to commend your patience on the bridge teaching tho. It seems like such a simple task to explain to people but I know from experience that some people (and it usually seems to be women for some reason) really seem to have difficulty understanding what a good bridge should be and forming one.
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 5 күн бұрын
It takes patience for every element. Regarding your first comment, we were working on the bridge, not the entire stroke. If I negatively comment because he dropped his shoulder and swooped the stick up, then the current focus is completley lost. Instead, the positive comment reinforces the thing we were working on, which was the bridge, and he got that. It is a tedious process of one little thing at a time, which will likely be forgotten and have to be gone over at the next session. Nothing easy about any of this.
@billymontbriand1400 Ай бұрын
Tig ol' bittys
@elpacho....9254 Ай бұрын
She has great form
@billymontbriand1400 Ай бұрын
Great DD's !
@complaintregistar Ай бұрын
AWOOGA
@Danumurti18 Ай бұрын
I get a feeling he's going worse after the training.
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 21 сағат бұрын
Almost everyone DOES get worse when adjusting their fundamentals. It is part of the process, but they invariably get better if they incorporate better fundamentals by practicing until it becomes their new norm. Just telling someone to change generally does not work. They have to struggle, and part of the struggle is feeling uncomfortable for a while, not doing as well until they incorporate the new thing.
@yusufhasan302 Ай бұрын
He's a excellent instructor! I learned a lot! I will continue to watch his videos Thanks Jim!
@lanternman13 Ай бұрын
I will die, if someone is talking the whole time without a pause.
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 21 сағат бұрын
Since the "whole time" is not shown in these videos, how do you know what happened during the "pause"? Are you saying you would sit still and watch the parts where there is no discussion and you are just watching a student do a drill over and over and over and over again?
@UAPandFriends Ай бұрын
If you've not fixed her stance immediately nothing is going to improve. She's off balance. Try and nudge her over. Square her stance up.
@poolhalljunky Ай бұрын
You’re right. Her stance is not square. Her non dominate foot needs to be flared out a bit to help stabilize her. She’s too “in line”. I’ve taught many a students who did this and immediately improved a bit by getting a stable stance. I always push them while they’re down on their shot. lol. If they fall, they need to readjust their feet. It’s the best starter way to get them to realize that a tripod body is extremely valuable for their stroke. And idk, maybe he’s wording himself wrong, but he’s making it sound like she’s going to have a few different style of stances depending on what side of the table she’s on. You have a few stances, but not for shooting simply around the table ….
@carolmcwhorter1762 Ай бұрын
It appears that trying to visualize the shot line by bending over. I think it is better to view the shot line while standing and lock her chin/vision center onto the shot line while bring her bridge/cue into position. She is dropping her elbow not shoulder.
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 Ай бұрын
Yes, trying to get her to stand back and lock her vision in to the line. As for the shoulder drop, it is just semantics. The elbow drops because the upper arm pivots at the shoulder. But as you say, it is more descriptively correct to call it an elbow drop, even though it initiates from a shoulder movement. The elbow drops as a result not as a direct action.
@wayneburba9457 Ай бұрын
8 ball she aimed center, dropped to draw.
@duffyrobert19 Ай бұрын
Why would you even post this. Even you get in the way of the camera??
@dalewhite5068 Ай бұрын
Excellent instructional piece. Kayla demonstrates natural talent and fast learning capabilities. She appears to apply your instructions readily and demonstrates a natural ability to adapt to new situations seamlessly. I am amazed by her uncommon brilliance.
@jeffwilliams1356 Ай бұрын
It would have been much smoother if you chose to only work with one player instead of 3. In addition, I stopped watching the video at the 5:56 mark because you were going on and on about her U stroke when she understood the first time.
@poolhalljunky Ай бұрын
Tips. The left side of your brain is the area that deals in making sense of things, calculating, etc. your right brain is your crazy, idc, state of mind. It’s good to reiterate sometimes, but too much is shown here. Too much info at one time isn’t good for the learning process for almost everyone. There are some things I disagree with, but he’s trying to teach and some ppl over talk rather than teach. Teach the reason briefly, and have her try it. If she fails, explain another way and let her try. If she fails, rinse and repeat until she does…or anyone really. -shoot well. JT
@poolhalljunky Ай бұрын
Also, the only way to get better is to shoot. They got 5 mins of shooting in an hour. They should’ve been shooting for 45 mins and teaching for 15 mins.
@jimsplacebilliards-5499 4 күн бұрын
@@poolhalljunky I'm pretty sure nobody wants to watch players doing the same drill over and over again for 45 minutes, so those parts are not included in the videos.
@jamesjohnson553 Ай бұрын
She tried to make the 8 in the side, missed badly. What's a skill level 3, plays a rack without dropping their que? Missed very easy shots by a lot and displayed little ability to control placement of the que ball following shots. A level 1 must be really bad. He does seem much better.
@JD-fx1np Ай бұрын
Maybe it was a bad night- just 2 matches - but she seems level 2 at best