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@Silverdragon83X
@Silverdragon83X 11 сағат бұрын
Black Orcs are insanely good, if you mix them up right and manage to take out the right models in the right order. So you can always roll on 3+ armour, but still have lots of two-handed attacks. Good damage output, especially on the carge, very good armour saves, great morale, being able to make units go arounf impetious are all very good for the points. not chep, but tough and very good damage output. Only downside is that you have to take a black orc boss, but you normally do anyway and then you can make them core, that make them even better!
@danieltaege3155
@danieltaege3155 2 күн бұрын
As a Woodelf I am going straight for the enemie wizard with my eagles or light cavalry to prevent him from countermagic. Then a wood will growth in front of the dragon and take his LoS. I will not fight a dragon, because it would be frustrating if he survives with 1 healthpoint. I prefer the damage race to get more points as the dragon will get. Units of 5 Dryads with a Nymph shine here to block a dragon for at least 2 rounds of combat
@teakeanema1722
@teakeanema1722 15 күн бұрын
Stopped watching after the skeleton horsemen. You just look at their raw damage output. But not at the special rules. Heavy cav and horde means a static combat result of +2 add in a banner and only Spears on a unit of twelve (4 by 3) and for just 162 points you have a decent outnumbering, fear causing static combat result unit that can disrupt pretty well.
@Vandelberger
@Vandelberger 15 күн бұрын
Quit helpful. I wish the stalkers could get some AP or some kind of boost to range to make them useful.
@UnlimitedAuthority
@UnlimitedAuthority 19 күн бұрын
I like how it seems like he makes the point that combined arms tactics makes it an easier army to play somehow. Making use of your different unit's strengths is by far the hardest part of the game. But sure, charging in with only cav Bretonnians sure takes alot of brain power. Lol.
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu 19 күн бұрын
Armies that excel in combined arms tactics typically have a wide array of unit choices, giving them the adaptability to face varied opponents. Bretonnia relies heavily on cavalry charging, which leave Bretonnia vulnerable when confronted by armies that are good at countering cavalry. Bretonnia is a one-trick pony army, there isn't much room for army composition adjustment. In contrast, armies with diversified unit compositions can adjust their strategies to suit different opponent strengths.
@jacawandersmok9043
@jacawandersmok9043 19 күн бұрын
Orc & Goblin Tribes Arcane Journal is relay Fast and Trolyy !
@TobiasPatrick
@TobiasPatrick 21 күн бұрын
I would argue dwarfs are unforgiving this edition due to the prevalence of cav, monsters, magic, and shooting being toned down. I think new players will quickly get frustrated by lack of maneuverability, ineffectual shooting, and being completely outclassed in the magic phase. If the new player wants to be competitive in tournaments dwarfs are not the answer.
@tommyakesson8858
@tommyakesson8858 21 күн бұрын
Is this an AI voice? Sounds so precise. And still so weird. Leadbelcher? They shoot lead. Yhetee?
@wakankinyan
@wakankinyan 22 күн бұрын
Dwarfs exist to get allied contingents in Empire
@Sealdog
@Sealdog 27 күн бұрын
Great idea, thanks for doing this!
@stevenb.8782
@stevenb.8782 29 күн бұрын
Nice Idea. Like it!
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu 29 күн бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@bennconner1195
@bennconner1195 29 күн бұрын
You can also run a smaller more elite army for orcs & goblins if you focus on black orcs and big un’s.
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu 29 күн бұрын
Yeah, can also run troll hordes and all mounted nomadic waaagh as well.
@bennconner1195
@bennconner1195 29 күн бұрын
@@AllOutWarAu yeah it’s one of the reasons I think the orc & goblins battalion isn’t very good for new players looking to get into the faction. It pushes people towards the hoard side of the army.
@MartyrDK
@MartyrDK Ай бұрын
Ogre Kingdoms might be the best beginner army. Cheap to buy. Few models. Easy to paint. Simple rules. And models avalable in AOS, just need to re-base.
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu 29 күн бұрын
yeah, definitely one of the best beginner armies.
@seasick8828
@seasick8828 21 күн бұрын
Well, easy to collect due to AoS range, easy to paint, also easy to paint a full army due to low model count, but not as easy to play as one might think. The big perk for Ogres is not the high wound count (can melt away quickly due to having almost no armour) or having a large number of Attacks (which won't hit jack due to WS3), it's the high movement value, and very important, making use of the ogre charge. If you lose the inpact hits due to being charged or any magic shenanigans, have fun trying to get any hits into enemy elite units with your WS3 and low AP values. Let me tell you, it is not fun. Not even a little 😂
@warp_machine9141
@warp_machine9141 19 күн бұрын
As an ogre player since 6th edition, i agree that they're simple, but not necessarily easy. Sure, ogres are powerful in melee when charging, but ultimately they're very vulnerable with weak armor , low weapon skill and low initiative. You really need to master the movement phase and choosing your fights if you want to be successful with them and that's something that most beginners will struggle with. You don't have much room for mistakes
@youngwillis63
@youngwillis63 Ай бұрын
love it!
@Malisteen
@Malisteen Ай бұрын
no tomb guard (and therefore no warsphinx or necroknights) hurts, but still, two lv4 wizards, both with +1 to cast from the casket and +3 from animus, is absolutely hideous casting power. even the lvl2 bsb can be casting at +6. that plus a necrosphinx in special, and higher rare allowance... very nice.
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
yeah, I have been playing many games with the mortuary cult, I really enjoy it. although I do miss the Necropolis knights and tomb king on a chariot.
@joejackson2662
@joejackson2662 Ай бұрын
Love the lists man. Keep us informed on green skins, tomb kings and dwarfs forsure.
@slowmoe1686
@slowmoe1686 Ай бұрын
Happy to have subscribed to you on a previous video, I can't wait to see each and every new tier list.
@embir82
@embir82 Ай бұрын
I disagree a lot with this ranking. For example, Greatbow Ushabtis make solid counter to tanky, flying skirmishers like pegasus knights or gyrocopters. In my opinion they are one of the better options in special slots.
@piotrskodowski7544
@piotrskodowski7544 Ай бұрын
Poison do not work on mounted dragons really. Most poison stuff has no or low AP and those characters typically have AS of 2+ and ward and regen typically. That means warmachines are not that effective either as they need to wound on 3+ and that dragon has 2 or 3 5+ saves. As fpr tying them with challenges. Sadly it is 1 off and dragon with flight and good M can easily avoid it. As for monster Slayer and counter dragon. Sadly it is noit an option for some armies that lack both. Personally I play O&G and I do not have anything resembling good Monster Slayer combo or item and Wyvern is very much weaker dragon that typically cannot compete with full fleged dragons while still being suceptible to their weaknesses.
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
The idea is not to kill the dragon but to drop its wounds so it becomes more manageable in combat. Some dragons with triple saves are obviously very difficult to deal with. So you might have to add in spell like plague of rust. There is no perfect solution to deal with an unkillable dragon, which is why it causes so much problem in the game atm.
@ratofvengence
@ratofvengence Ай бұрын
Itchy nuisance is indeed awesome.
@youngwillis63
@youngwillis63 Ай бұрын
please do more!
@AgeofGuns
@AgeofGuns Ай бұрын
How do you feel about Prince Apophas?
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
I will do a tier list for the arcane journal soon, just testing out the list a bit more.
@snyggejygge
@snyggejygge Ай бұрын
It´s sad that TOW is turning into monsterhammer, Dragons & the like should only be available in 2000+ points, that way you could play 1999 points if you don't want a meta consisting of Dragons...
@slowmoe1686
@slowmoe1686 Ай бұрын
Like your content. Subscribing. Can't wait for you to do the other factions later on.
@skycatyan7412
@skycatyan7412 Ай бұрын
Only one challenge can be issued per combat. (Pg.210)
@Talen900
@Talen900 Ай бұрын
The best spell is the one in the right place at the right time
@Malisteen
@Malisteen Ай бұрын
You rate greatbow ushabti pretty low, and fair enough as the total damage output goes way down, but great blade ushabti are very slow in combat and really not that tough, with only T4, 3w, heavy armor, and 6+ regen, it feels like most targets that you'd need that kind of output against are going to go first and drop a couple ushabti before they swing. Greatbow ushabti attack at a pretty incredible range, considering they have no penalties for moving or long range, and are fairly threatening to enemy war machines, which otherwise threaten your monsters. I find a couple units of 3 bowshabti are solid support for monster spamming TK lists for this reason, particularly in Mortuary Cult where you can take one of those units as core (plus a necrosphinx in special). All that said, I don't exactly dispute your overall tier 4 rating for ushabti in general. imo they're kind of boarderline between T4 and T3. I just don't think the greatbows rate any lower than the blades. They're just different tools. In contrast, I think you're maybe overestimating the regular archers a bit. 5+ to hit, S3, no ap, one damage... even if you invest a hero in them to get poison a reasonably sized unit of 20 is still only going to get 2-3 poisoned hits plus another 2-3 hits that need to roll to wound. Sure in theory you could take them larger then that, but as you increase the width the unit gets super unweildy pretty fast, and if you just increase the depth then you're paying double per shot for volley fire - and that's if you're able to volley fire in the first place - sometimes you just need to move. Heck, a big part of the bonus of arrows of asaph is that you ignore the penalty for doing so, relying on volley fire just puts that penalty back. I don't think regular tomb kings archers (or especially the skirmishers) are ~bad~ mind. Just not top tier. Maybe tier 3.
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
In the game, a 5-point model with a consistent 5+ hit rate and a 6+ regen save stands out as exceptional value. The essence of the game lies in optimising value exchange, where leveraging fewer points for greater impact is key to success. The ranking of units into tiers isn't solely based on their intrinsic quality. Rather, it's a reflection of the value they offer relative to their points cost. For example, the Greatbow Ushabtis, whose effectiveness is undeniable if not for their steep price of 49 points each. When writing army lists, I often face tough decisions, such as choosing between Necropolis Knights and Ushabti units. This decision-making process revolves around assessing which unit provides greater versatility and utility throughout the game, ultimately influencing my placement within tier rankings.
@HuwgeGrin
@HuwgeGrin Ай бұрын
Great video with some nice points! Some spells in here I'm considering higher on my list now, even if they're not my top 5.
@Nazgull2k1
@Nazgull2k1 Ай бұрын
So your "Tier" list has NO "good" infantry. Remind us.. how much paste do you consume daily?
@lucianaurelius2418
@lucianaurelius2418 Ай бұрын
No Wind Blast and No Plague of Rust? Yeah this list sucks
@louisraphael1727
@louisraphael1727 Ай бұрын
Did you ever even play any of the spells he mentioned...? Yeah PoR is pretty good, but itchy nuisance and gathering darkness are both arguably better, and wind blast is not even the best magic missile in the game
@lucianaurelius2418
@lucianaurelius2418 Ай бұрын
@@louisraphael1727 pffttttt sure it isn’t lol
@fiskcakes
@fiskcakes Ай бұрын
Just wondering if you’ve actually played any Old world? Spell selection is very situational to both army list design and as a local meta picks. The video gives pretty good general information on HIS top five spells. For example, he explains phantasmagoria really well. Are they my top 5 spells, no, but then my list building and meta are most likely very different. It’s looking like he’s try to break or disrupt units before the combat phase, which is a viable thing in the Old World.
@lucianaurelius2418
@lucianaurelius2418 Ай бұрын
@@fiskcakes played for years of WHF and have 7 games under my belt of OW. I absolutely wiped a dude with a HellBlaster Volleygun with a Lvl4 Elementalism wizard
@Marlerc11
@Marlerc11 Ай бұрын
Phantasmagoria: what happens if I'm in range of the effect but I don't move?
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
I believe the unit is still affected by the spell because it ends its movement within the range of effect. However, if you start your movement inside the bubble of effect and move out of it, then it is ok.
@Dre0oq
@Dre0oq Ай бұрын
This is a hard to say rules wise. Kind of another gray area. For my reading, if you don't move you don't finish a move so you can avoid the spell by deciding not to move. Not moving feels like sufficient opportunity cost to avoid being affected by the spell considering the game revolves around movement and positioning. That said because the rules don't outline a "remains stationary" action, if someone were feeling particularly pedantic they could argue that all units are moved during remaining moves, and that they simply move 0" and therefore still count as "finishing a move". This falls apart pretty quickly when applied elsewhere though, for example all Missile units would always be at -1 for moving.
@louisraphael1727
@louisraphael1727 Ай бұрын
​@@Dre0oqThe rules mention "ending your movement" in tons of situations where it's clear that you can also not move. It's just the phrase they use to mean "the location of your unit at the end of the movement phase"
@Dre0oq
@Dre0oq Ай бұрын
​@louisraphael1727 Can you provide an example? I get your meaning but it seems a strange reading to say you can end a move without having done so. Although I run into a lot of rules issues with American vs British English.
@hraughr
@hraughr Ай бұрын
Trolls got a serious bump upwards with the new arcane journal. Re-rolling those regen saves and stupidity tests. Great weapons always beat an additional hand weapon if you're fighting anything with armor. A simple example - some knights (3+ armor) charge your 4 troll line, likely drop one of them, the remaining 3 attack: With great weapons they kill 2-3 With hand weapons they kill 1
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
Yeah, the new arcane journal definitely bumps the trolls upwards, and with rerolling regeneration save, striking last has less significant impact and taking great weapon would be better.
@benh6835
@benh6835 Ай бұрын
Feel like big blocks of infantry either chaff or not can also sorta counter the dragon by either tying it up and it doesn't earn much points or can overcome it with static combat res if the dragon rolls poorly one round.
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
It really depends on the type of infantry unit. A combat dragon can tear through a unit pretty fast, especially with its Thunderstomp attacks. If your unit falls back in good order, the dragon can move away. Unfortunately, it's not like the 8th edition of Warhammer Fantasy. Tying up a dragon with zombies doesn't really work anymore :(
@andrewbakescakes9684
@andrewbakescakes9684 Ай бұрын
Why would a Fly 10 dragon get stuck in combat with an M4 or M5 unit that can tie it up or kill it?
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
@@andrewbakescakes9684 it wouldn't, that's why dwarf needs to have enough ranged threat to force a dragon to get into combat.
@andrewbakescakes9684
@andrewbakescakes9684 Ай бұрын
@@AllOutWarAu - I think Dwarfs need another way to deal with Dragons. Cannons can't cut it this edition.
@piotrskodowski7544
@piotrskodowski7544 Ай бұрын
You can ever have 1 unit of skirmishing orcs oin the army.
@piotrskodowski7544
@piotrskodowski7544 Ай бұрын
As for Orc Boar boyz. It is true but there is a little thing called red raggedy flag. WS 4 is not bad.
@piotrskodowski7544
@piotrskodowski7544 Ай бұрын
About orc bosses. Yes they are obviously inferior. but BO have black orc tax. If you do not want or have points to put two units of Black orcs in the list orc warboss is still good choice for say BSB.
@sweenhansween9182
@sweenhansween9182 Ай бұрын
ugh with Beasts of Chaos being removed from aos, i may as well use em for this, love the content btw!
@grimd0rk
@grimd0rk Ай бұрын
This tier list is garbage
@mr.a7545
@mr.a7545 Ай бұрын
Are you off your chops mate? Orc Boar Boyz are amazing!
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
Please read my pinned comment where I elaborated a bit more, I think boar boy is bad in an o&g army because it is struck in the special category, special category is where I take units to handle other greater threats on the table. Boar boys are great in nomadic waaagh army as I have mentioned in my arcane journal video.
@mr.a7545
@mr.a7545 Ай бұрын
@@AllOutWarAu My apologies mate, Hard to convey tone over the internet, I meant it only in jest. Appreciate the content.
@Nubloot
@Nubloot Ай бұрын
Even in special boar boyz are amazing. They’re like the best value shock cav in the game for the points.
@Silverdragon83X
@Silverdragon83X 11 сағат бұрын
@@Nubloot and as O&G can have enough good core troops choices to full the needed points, there are more than enough points in the elite slot to take the boar boys. I think they would be S-tier in core, but are still amazing good for their points, especially when they charge!
@jymmylol74
@jymmylol74 Ай бұрын
Rune of the true beast only works on enemy monsters
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
Yeah, it is only a 30 points item that gives a -1 WS bubble. So it can't be for all units. Lots of monsters are WS4, so you can lower it to 3, and your bestigors, minotaurs and dragon Ogres with great weapon can hit them on 3+ rerolling 1, instead of 4+. Can probably kill a monster in a single turn.
@sclarke6969
@sclarke6969 Ай бұрын
Alas for the cost warmachines struggle. usually 1st turn its in cover/out of LOS. You may get a shot, but rest of the game its in cover. pretty much all the rest come down to my main issue with dragons. Not the OP stats, but the maneuverability. Generally IT is deciding who and where its fighting. Followed up by them having generally good initiative a lot of potential threats are dead before they can attack. IE monsterslayer, big blocks of tar pits etc. Even poisoned ranged is unlikely to do more than a wound realistically, long range+cover generally ur looking 6s to hit/wound and then its unmodified armour regen ward saves. Magic to hamstring them is a good option tho
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
Yeah, a dragon is very hard to deal with, which is why there is one in almost every top table list. There is no optimal way to beat one. So unless you also take a dragon, we still have to think of ways to handle one in a game.
@andrewbakescakes9684
@andrewbakescakes9684 Ай бұрын
Pour a mug of Bugman's out for the Dwarven Mountain Holds. Worst book by far. Holy derp. Haven't seen Dwarves win outside of Beer and Pretzel League games.
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
@@andrewbakescakes9684 yeah, GW should have kept the dwarf's Warmachine to D6 wound like the chaos dwarf.
@lukeit7949
@lukeit7949 Ай бұрын
As a dwarf you're just fucked against it
@shawndavies2204
@shawndavies2204 Ай бұрын
Just plain hilarious. I've taken everything in tier 4 including two snotlings pump wagons. Smashed my opponent quiet nicely. I think you miss the fact that the good stuff costs more and you can do less overall. There is opportunity costs for taking fewer more expensive types. Cheaper troops need good tactics and more skill, over other "powerful" troop types. Honestly I think you just click baiting, or have no idea and played few games. Go play some games with those tier 4 and come back.
@tobias8465
@tobias8465 Ай бұрын
dwarf T list
@janekciscek288
@janekciscek288 Ай бұрын
I'll be fighting a star dragon with its haughty high elf rider as a dwarf coming weekend. Wish me luck 😂 Update: I lost but it was really close. The Star Dragon only had one remaining wound left! Frankly, the giant lizard IS tough but far from unkillable.
@user-tc9sk4ei9y
@user-tc9sk4ei9y Ай бұрын
Put your trust in artillery
@janekciscek288
@janekciscek288 Ай бұрын
@@user-tc9sk4ei9y In Guns we trust
@andrewbakescakes9684
@andrewbakescakes9684 Ай бұрын
Congrats! I usually expect Dwarves to get super duper tabled every game.
@user-tc9sk4ei9y
@user-tc9sk4ei9y Ай бұрын
How many artillery pieces did you bring?
@user-tc9sk4ei9y
@user-tc9sk4ei9y Ай бұрын
@@andrewbakescakes9684 dwarves are strong imo
@FoldingChairJonson
@FoldingChairJonson Ай бұрын
The Chaos Lord on Dragon is one if not the most difficult flying buzz saws in the game. Only thing I can think is to have shooting with high AP and Illusion spells to slow it down. Ive literally had a necrosphinx and Tomb Scorpion at the same time getting rocked in one turn. My answer is, if you have units with str 6+ YOU must get the charge first if possible.
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
yeah, Chaos Dragon is a tough one. it comes with a good natural armour save and a ward save, it is very hard to kill.
@poxous3854
@poxous3854 Ай бұрын
Charging a chaos dragon does not help if it has Enchanting Aura.
@poxous3854
@poxous3854 Ай бұрын
@@AllOutWarAu A chaos dragon with Ogre Blade, enchanting aura and either Brazen collar or paymasters coin is only going to die if the playing using it is lazy or really bad. It is the alpha of this game by a long long shot.
@ONI09100
@ONI09100 Ай бұрын
dark elves are better slightly cheaper has a better breath attack and because the rider has a lower toughness you are getting more out of the dragon since they still end up at T6 you also get the 2+ save from the rider the star dragon is the strongest tho it just has a basic breath attack and hits late
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
@@poxous3854 yeah, it is definitely one of the strongest dragons, you have to weaken it with shooting and magic, very hard to kill in combat.
@cameochris
@cameochris Ай бұрын
Wizard spam
@GVS86
@GVS86 Ай бұрын
1x Great Bray Shaman and 4x Shamans with Viletide + Power scrolls coming right up
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
yeah, i like that too!
@poxous3854
@poxous3854 Ай бұрын
@@GVS86 A chaos will eat them all. See he is fly with the infernal puppet being held in a big block of CWs behind him. With the brazen collar you are -2 to cast and on 3d6 take the lowest. the dragon goes right for the wizards because you did not invest in combat and murders them. Now what?
@GVS86
@GVS86 Ай бұрын
@@poxous3854 This is the most common WoC list I've played against and probably the easiest dragon list to fight for Beastmen. Need 10's to cast with the Brazen Collar is still a below average difficulty cast with a level 4 or a level 2 with a power scroll. Odds are he'll be on a wound or two left, he'll get a charge on one of em since you can charge protect this many shamans and then you blow him up against next turn. Harpie rushing the CW block so IP is nullified. If the Chosen block is far back enough to not be Harpy engaged then it's 2 turns behind the dragon. If they ever tried to push the Chosen block to Vanguard then I would just laugh honestly. There is no better target in the game for Viletide than Chosen. If the Chaos Lord rolls toughness on GoG then I would do my best to not engage that turn of course and try to nuke the chosen block or reposition. Now what?
@user-bw8qc9tr6r
@user-bw8qc9tr6r Ай бұрын
@@GVS86I think even its not too difficult to charge protect your shamans from dragons. You put him directly behind a block of infantry and the dragon can see him due to large target but the infantry is still blocking the charge
@jensreimers6625
@jensreimers6625 Ай бұрын
No 6 Avoid it and feed it with cheap troops. No. 7 Tarpit it
@GVS86
@GVS86 Ай бұрын
This is the way and usually the most reliable
@ThePaintedHope
@ThePaintedHope Ай бұрын
@@GVS86 If your opponent allows his flying monster to be caught in a tarpit, maybe you didn't need all that much strategy to win that game.
@GVS86
@GVS86 Ай бұрын
@@ThePaintedHope If you're not running a dragon and they are, you have other advantages. If you force choices about charging an unattractive unit or not engaging then that is in fact using strategy. It's not easy or guaranteed, but either is trying to engage it with a model that has monster slayer or any of the other strategies presented. Every turn a dragon isn't earning points favors the other player.
@poxous3854
@poxous3854 Ай бұрын
Move 20" and can have movement spells to make that worse.
@ja37d-34
@ja37d-34 Ай бұрын
Not too impressed with the Nomadic Whaagh. Such overly themed armies tend to get boring after a while. A bit one-trick pony.. But will probably be fun, now and then..
@andrewbakescakes9684
@andrewbakescakes9684 Ай бұрын
I think it's somewhat strong, but it really does cut a lot of options. Magic will be harder as well, since Wizards will have to be alone or risk being Impetuous in most cases.
@CrimeaRiver
@CrimeaRiver Ай бұрын
Good video.
@AllOutWarAu
@AllOutWarAu Ай бұрын
Thanks!