Thank you so much! Trying to do better!

It's so great to see conservative people's brains like yours get melted at getting told you're bad people. LOVE seeing the mental gymnastics you guys do to justify your crimes. News flash: the show is literally about unethical consumption under capitalism.

word. it's easy to not have compassion for rich folks, but if i had Tahani's upbringing, i'd be a waaaay worse person than her, i'm sure.

It all makes sense now!

Apathy's a tragedy and boredom is a crime!

Well, 90% of girls would have better credentials for the Good Place than Eleanor. The whole first season was about how Eleanor wouldn’t have belonged in the Good Place anyway, and even though it was a deliberate setup… they weren’t wrong.

@@kylestubbs8867 But this episode was in season two and Eleanor was supposed to be a good person, and Janet just told her that she wanted to kill herself over Jason, and Eleanor's advice was, you just need to get laid? It's such an insensitive thing to tell someone and it was not funny. Most of the women who I've seen react to this episode, seem to cringe when Eleanor said that.

Well, there's _one_ telling detail in the part shown here. When Tahani confronts her sister, she says "I was supposed to be in Haiti being photographed helping people, but instead I delayed my trip for a day to come here and tell you off." Not just "helping people" by itself, "being photographed helping people". The optics were her primary concern.

@@kylestubbs8867 If that's how she raised 60 billion dollars, then that detail isn't as revealing as some people think, because one sentence can't erase one thousand good deeds. Imagine if I took a picture of you at your worst and used that to define your whole life, because that's what prejudice does, it uses one example to define the whole, except the show didn't do that to the white girl

@@MrPassion4truth While I completely agree that one sentence shouldn’t outweigh so many good deeds… you’re missing the bigger picture by framing it like that. Micheal is (supposedly) only now reminding Tahani of the time she said that. He didn’t have to back in the Season 1 finale, where Tahani herself admitted “…it didn’t matter, because my motivations were corrupt.” Ergo, it was a frequent incentive in her life, one easy enough for her to recognize upon reflection. Plus, if it was only that one sentence, wouldn’t you expect her to argue as much rather than fall to tears as Micheal laid it out for her?

@@kylestubbs8867 Here is what I know, Michael, Tahani, Glen, and Chidi were used to sell the idea that this was the Good Place, and in every episode of season one, we saw Tahani unselfishly helping characters not only in the Good Place, but in the flashback when she raised only 5 million for charity. According to my math, she would have to do that 1100 times to raise 60 billion dollars. The idea that she always had the same motivation for raising money even after her parents died, is old time racist troupes, that said that people of color are simple and white people are complicated. So Eleanor can do bad stuff and be considered a good person because her background was complicated, but Tahani can do amazing stuff for simple reasons: she didn't really care. What the show is careful about saying is she didn't care about the people she was helping, even though no religious or ethical belief system requires anybody to care about doing good deeds. Jesus never said, feed the needy and you better care. Finally, Tahani never met the people that she helped, so how could she care about faceless, nameless people who she helped? The real question should be, did she care about the work? I believe that nobody would do charity work that would experience constant rejection if they didn't care, so the show's explanation was bull shirt and I didn't buy it.

The Bible was only about 5% correct. This show is about ethics, and the problems and contradictions in the major philosophies.

@@jamesjones7526 My point is, I'm not going to throw out everything that I know about right and wrong based on a TV show. On the planet that I live on, things that Eleanor does is not called good and things that Tahani does is called amazing, but this show has the opposite opinion.

@@jamesjones7526 So even if I totally accepted this show's premise for what's right and wrong, then I'd have to accept the double standard it sets for Eleanor versus Tahani. We are told that Tahani was in the bad place because she didn't have the right feelings (the Tahani rule), but Eleanor can have evil intent and still get credit for good deeds, like when she convinced Chidi to murder Janet, or when she destroyed Chef Patricia's cake, but fixed the sinkhole by doing something unrelated, and like how even after she confessed, she still encouraged Jianyu to lie or when she spent episode 12 and 13 insulting him by calling goon, brainless, and jerk, and she was still considered a good person. Contrast that with Tahani who spent every episode doing nice things for people, forgiving Eleanor who wanted to throw her under the bus, forgiving Jason and going to his wedding, encouraging Michael to stand up to the demons to help Eleanor stay there. I could write a book about when Eleanor does the smallest thing, she is praised while Tahani is never good enough, no matter how amazing she is. This show treated Tahani just like her parents did.

@@MrPassion4truth You're thinking of things as "good" or "bad"; "right" or "wrong". The show isn't saying that Eleanor is good; it's saying that she's become a better person. The show isn't saying that Tahani is bad; it's saying that she could be better. Tahani's motivations being corrupt affected her own happiness throughout her life; for all her charity, she was never happy. Doing the best we can and striving constantly to become better is all we can ever really try to do.

@@Grengalis The show does say Eleanor is a good person, and that started with episode 5, and was repeated in episode 12, when Chidi said, she's a good person. I'm glad I'm decided to help her. Michael also repeats this in subsequent episodes. Tahani was judged by a standard that no one on earth is judged by. Your boss doesn't tell you that your motivation was wrong so I'm not going to pay you today, and your teachers never told you that even though you did great on the test, you only did it to outshine your sister so I'm not going to give you credit, and if you raise money for charity, nobody is going to say that you did it for the wrong reasons. Tahani was the one human who was used to sell the idea that this was the good place. Even Michael said that she was one of the most remarkable people on earth, and Chidi said to Eleanor, she dedicated her life to helping people so she's a good person, but in the final minute of the season one finale, the writers said, we were just kidding, she didn't really care about helping people. That was a WTF moment. You can't show a character helping people in every episode and then say she doesn't care about it. Plus, in season three, Tahani agrees to do a study for Chidi on one condition: will it help people. We are also told that Tahani didn't make it to the good place because of the competitive relationship with her sister. How could Tahani have a competitive relationship with her sister when they had two different careers that didn't afford them many chances to see each other? This is all bull shirt!!!

Watch the show. Tahani did all that because growing up she was constantly compared to her sister, she couldn't do anything right. Tahani did all those things for approval mainly from her parents but also externally so she could feel validated as an indivdual person compared to constant comparisons of others. She did the good deeds as a conversation subject and starter, they made her feel better especially since she was bought up wealthy to not have to necessarily work hard to help out. She even looked down on people in a different class, the money she used to help others was easily accessible for her and money is a huge concern for many so of course she'd help people out with her money. She'd had MILLIONS, donating some of it just so she can't get peoples approval was probably nothing to her

@@amemelia That's the argument that the show uses, but the show tried to change the rules of what it means to be a good person based on the fact that even Eleanor made it into the good place. My argument is different. My argument is, it's impossible to do the kind of work that helps millions of people without caring about it, because even after her parents died and she became estanged from her sister, based on the fact that her sister didn't even recognize her the day she died, she still did charity work. When you have 100 million dollars in the bank and your godmother is Queen Elizabeth, you don't have to do backbreaking work including picking up mortar shells to get people to like you. She had easier choices at her disposal, including doing what Tiffany Trump did by using her connection to a famous family. I can not accept the premise that being jealous of your sister or wanting people to like you (which would be a requirement for people to give you billions of dollars to give to charities) can offset helping millions of people.

@@amemelia One more thing, in season 1, after Eleanor confessed, Michael interviewed Tahani and she said a sentence, people are just drawn to me and that lie detector turned green. This means that Tahani didn't need to work hard for people to like her. They just naturally did.