Lovely woodwork! Awesome set, Francesco... needs a Dragonfly, though! :-)
@FrascoAdAbstra15 сағат бұрын
I'll commission the new piece to him if still there is some wood left😁
@puzzleparty771322 сағат бұрын
What a great present!
@JulienPiat8 күн бұрын
❤
@JulienPiat8 күн бұрын
Salut ici
@FrascoAdAbstra8 күн бұрын
@@JulienPiat salut! :)
@rujon2888 күн бұрын
Coolest win I have ever seen
@FrascoAdAbstra8 күн бұрын
Pretty rare idea but sometimes it works!
@rujon2888 күн бұрын
Crazy game
@rujon2889 күн бұрын
Hive is great because it has the level of positional strategy of chess but with a lot less development with computers meaning there is still a lot of nuance on the best strategies as they are all developed by humans.
@FrascoAdAbstra7 күн бұрын
Sooner or later a strong AI will come, but we enjoy (and we will still enjoy) the development of the strategy in Hive as a community!
@joshuasimpson51469 күн бұрын
The grasshopper at 1:01:09 by Salerno was illegal, no? It shuffled along the edge one piece instead of through the pillbug, almost like two moves in one turn.
@FrascoAdAbstra9 күн бұрын
That was the pillbug which moved the grasshopper :)
@joshuasimpson51469 күн бұрын
@@FrascoAdAbstra Ohhh I see. I haven't bought the DLC's yet so I didn't catch that -- my bad!
@FrascoAdAbstra6 күн бұрын
@@joshuasimpson5146 DLC? The expansions?
@leobidussi503910 күн бұрын
last move with the spider was great indeed
@FrascoAdAbstra10 күн бұрын
@@leobidussi5039 that's why the title of the video!
@michaelmacaraig284110 күн бұрын
I'm curious to see the notation of your game vs Alvarez-Luiz. It's quite a long battle.
@FrascoAdAbstra10 күн бұрын
You mean notation of the game because its not clear from the video, or my comments about the game? I'm sure Pedro is going to do a video about it!
@michaelmacaraig28419 күн бұрын
@@FrascoAdAbstra It got complicated to follow towards the end. It's definitely a game I want to study. I saw multiple pillibug warps in the game.
@FrascoAdAbstra6 күн бұрын
@@michaelmacaraig2841the pillbugs helped both of us to reposition grasshoppers and spiders into better spots, an important technique to keep in mind
@bbzabstractgames19 күн бұрын
I like this dropping queen with the pillbug in a full circle :D
@FrascoAdAbstra19 күн бұрын
It's rare but very fun when it happens 😁
@TheGamingDynamite27 күн бұрын
the way your opponent wins. by not letting you play and he takes multiple turne. just madness in game control. world class play!
@FrascoAdAbstra27 күн бұрын
Controlling the opponent pieces is key :)
@samrees464829 күн бұрын
cool game
@goldengriffonАй бұрын
A rather messy game, but with plenty of interesting situations. It's also remarkable that both players got all of their pieces out!
@FrascoAdAbstraАй бұрын
It's actually not that uncommon at high level to place all your pieces in play! The more pieces the messier and the more fun 😁
@goldengriffonАй бұрын
Nifty moves! The main lesson I take from this game is to set up flexible positions. You created interesting situations that could evolve different ways, rather than simply placing bugs with single-step plans that could have been easily blocked. That's something I need to work on. 😛
@FrascoAdAbstraАй бұрын
Flexible and compact is often a good choice as it gives you more option to react to your opponent. When you pin the opponent pieces instead you want to create long rigid strings for them. But this game was also pretty chaotic due to the mosquito-pillbug combos!
@goldengriffonАй бұрын
Thanks for being honest and open about making poor moves. The examples make for excellent learning! 🙂
@FrascoAdAbstraАй бұрын
@@goldengriffon you often learn more from losing than from winning right? :) and there are so many strong players around I need to learn from!
@Olios576Ай бұрын
5:40 before pillbug moves pillbug, can’t you move again blacks pillbug?, in order to qualify for a win and pinning the corneus bug. Maybe it’s a bad move but Ican’t understand why
@FrascoAdAbstraАй бұрын
@@Olios576 I'm not sure what you mean for moving again the black pillbug.. the black pillbug is pinned, it can't be moved otherwise the hive would break, isn't it?
@Olios576Ай бұрын
I mean "after", I have dyslexia
@puzzleparty7713Ай бұрын
I've only won like that once (warping the queen into a surrounded position). I call it a kill box, a term taken from Dexter. Seems appropriate!
@FrascoAdAbstraАй бұрын
I like it! Kill box😁
@connormondayАй бұрын
Hexagonal chess guy talks with hexagonal go guy.
@FrascoAdAbstraАй бұрын
Basically.. i should rename the video like that🤣
@daniellinzel1994Ай бұрын
That's one of the coolest ways to win! You always have such interesting games, haha
@FrascoAdAbstraАй бұрын
When I'm lucky and in the right mood the games become fun 😁
@ZurroundАй бұрын
Mosaic by Continuum Games is better than Hive.
@FrascoAdAbstraАй бұрын
It's hard to say when a game is 'better' than another one, a lot of it is subjective. There are some criteria of course, but even considering those (you mention in the comment below), why not to write a more propositional sentence like 'have you ever tried mosaic?' Because it seems to me your comment is out of context in the comment section of this video. This being said, can i find the rules of Mosaic somewhere?
@ZurroundАй бұрын
@@FrascoAdAbstra Only in the game.
@ZurroundАй бұрын
My closest friend and I got burnt out on Hive because we were such a perfectly even match that our games almost always ended in a draw. It was worse than chess in that respect (I have seen 14 consecutive draws in world champ matches). The game is too draw prone.
@FrascoAdAbstraАй бұрын
this happens simply because you and your friends have played each other too many times and have not been exposed to other strategies out there by playing with other people. I recommend to try to play Hive on BGA or Hivegame.com and you'll discover soon that it's much more fun than you think! The draw rate nowadays is much lower than the one of chess for the top players for instance, and similar to the one in chess for amateurs level, so there is no draw problem :) (there was back then when the Queen Bee was allowed as first move more than 10 years ago, but that opening is forbidden in tournaments nowadays).
@OrdepCubikАй бұрын
To be honest, he immortalized you 😆😆
@FrascoAdAbstraАй бұрын
I would have preferred to be immortal winning but it's fine ahah :)
@connormondayАй бұрын
Instead of ambiguous spider, couldn’t we call it a spider fork? Like knight fork in chess?
@FrascoAdAbstraАй бұрын
You're perfectly right. I might call it that way sometimes too. But it was formalised by Jewdoka in his first book and he doesn't have much of a chess background I think or he just didn’t want to recycle the term. So since then most people call it ambiguous although spider fork sounds good and clear to me! (Fun fact: often we call zugzwang 'bugzwang' ahah)
@willhelpforfreeАй бұрын
At 57:40 you mention what in my opinion is the curse of Homeoworlds - it's hard to get people into it. Other than that, it's really the perfect game and no other game comes close. I do agree, though, that there is risk of an AI "solving" it in the future. Thank you, Babamots, from the bottom of my heart, for creating the BGA implementation and everything else you've done to promote this game. I would have missed out on my all-time-favorite game if it weren't for you! Thank you too, Frasco for this interesting interview.
@FrascoAdAbstraАй бұрын
It's a common issue with abstract games having a slightpy more complex set of rules I think. People are not attracted by the theme and at the same time they find the rules hard to memorise. I have to add that, in Homeworlds, also how to reach the goal is quite vague! But I agree that it's a fantastic game so I hope we can find some way to spread it more easily. For Hive we started to distribute a small sheet that summarise all the rules, maybe that would help (and on BGA there is a tutorial already I guess?). Btw Thanks for watching :)
@jonathanandrews3381Ай бұрын
Risk? I wouldn't think any differently about it than how computers play chess or go etc...
@willhelpforfreeАй бұрын
@@jonathanandrews3381 You might be right, but that would depend on the complexity of the hypothetical solution. That is, if the AI finds an assured path to victory (or even a draw) that is simple enough for people to memorize, that would severely damage the game for me. I am no mathematician though, and it is possible that this scenario is highly unlikely.
@FrascoAdAbstraАй бұрын
@@jonathanandrews3381 It's not easy to estimate how easily a game can be (weakly) solved. Branching factor is the main parameter but all depends on the solution to be simple enough to be memorised. I don't think there is such risk for homeworlds but opening theory could be more 'narrow' for instance
@jonathanandrews3381Ай бұрын
@@FrascoAdAbstra Yes, the homeworlds tutorial on BGA by Any Looney is very well done.
@ianfyfe5310Ай бұрын
Good game, thanks for sharing! At 6:55 was there any consideration on moving the ladybug into an offensive position on the opponents queen?
@FrascoAdAbstraАй бұрын
I might be wrong but I discarded an offensive move straight away. You simply don't have enough time to try to win in such positions where: - your killspots are quickly being filled - your empty killspots are fewer than the opponent one. - your pillbug is not next to your queen (or it's neutralized alread) - the opponent pillbug hasn't been neutralised yet - your opponent has enough material (here they had at least 6 pieces in reserve+play) Until some of these factors change, it's premature to attack. There are exceptions of course but you have to calculate properly all the possible variations to find them. (ops sorry that was my personal account)
@user-hd3vy7hf8cАй бұрын
Thanks for the game analysis. I played this game for the first time a few years ago while having a few brews with a mate. Then found it on BGA and started playing. Your channel is great for new players who want to improve their skills. Hope your Channel Grows and more New Hive players find it. Cheers.
@FrascoAdAbstraАй бұрын
Thanks so much! Welcome to the Hive community (or abstract games world if you are into other games too). You should check out the discord for Hive if you want to have more interaction with other players :) discord.com/invite/U5zCSNHANQ Have fun!
@goldengriffon2 ай бұрын
The spider is great because it focuses your opponent's attention. Your spider might have limited options but that means your opponent's reactions will also be limited.
@FrascoAdAbstra2 ай бұрын
The point is that it's not hard to stop a spider but it requires an investment. If this is an ant to pin it for instance, in the long run that investment (in terms of tempo and hive strucure) might be costly even if it seems only a nuisance at first. Also threatening to pin an ant or a beetle with a spider is always effective as it can create material deficit in the endgame if not addressed.
@fredski2482 ай бұрын
amazing what you do for the game
@FrascoAdAbstra2 ай бұрын
Thank you! :) if it wasn't clear by the way, most of the work I do nowadays, such as running tournaments, is sponsored by Gen42 (fuelled by my love for Hive ofc!)
@rossbrown12732 ай бұрын
We should call the QL w MP hex trap opening (really more of a formation than a reliable opening) the Gulf of Mexico defense. We need some fun terms in the game theory like chess. You should also do a strategy video breaking this down
@FrascoAdAbstra2 ай бұрын
Yeah the hex trap is more of a typical shape, not an opening per se. I'm up for inventing new names for opening😁 do you know traffic light or the rastafari opening??
@puzzleparty77132 ай бұрын
Sound is garbled a little. Probably okay to silence it IMO.
@FrascoAdAbstra2 ай бұрын
Ok I'll keep it silent!
@sedtui3 ай бұрын
Hi, congrats on starting the site 👍2 quick question: 1. Is tournament opening the default one? 2. Is there a carbon version available or only standard one?
@FrascoAdAbstra3 ай бұрын
Hi! I'm glad you like it :) 1. Yes the tournament opening (no Queen as first move) is the only way to play here, and 2. Nope no carbon yet! Maybe in the future but not sure if/when
@rossbrown12733 ай бұрын
Perhaps one feature to include from BGA is a lax timed game. Once a player’s time expires, it freezes play and the opponent gets a prompt to accept the win or keep playing. For casual play, I think the clock is still nice to keep things moving along but if the game is close, more often than not, I’d rather see it through to the end than get the auto-win.
@FrascoAdAbstra3 ай бұрын
It could be nice in principle but once the feature will be available it should be possible just to analyse the game post-mortem by yourself. Or if you don't like the idea you can always play without time control! (unlimited time games)
@Wylie2884 ай бұрын
No first piece advice for a game without expansions? How could you miss that?
@FrascoAdAbstra4 ай бұрын
Cause you should never play without expansions! ;) But if you really want to, grasshopper or beetle is the way :)
@indiechatofficial5 ай бұрын
which game client is this ?
@FrascoAdAbstra5 ай бұрын
It's called BoardSpace.net! But there is a new platform dedicated to Hive who's coming soon :)
@snocookies5 ай бұрын
🙂
@militarygradepotato5 ай бұрын
Awesome lessons
@giannicottogni17225 ай бұрын
I'd suggest "Uncertainty in Games" by Greg Costikyan.
@FrascoAdAbstra5 ай бұрын
Thanks! I'll have a look :)
@davebeard74096 ай бұрын
Another useful video. Mr Ingersol seems to have opted for posting tournament games without commentary. This doesn't help the beginners.. keep up the good work. One question, I beat the Smartbot on boardspace perhaps 1 in 10. I assume you would beat it every time. Do you recommend using it as a practice tool?
@FrascoAdAbstra6 ай бұрын
Thanks :) (by the way as I probably said in the video, I don't recommend these openings for beginners! No offence, just that it's better to practice with the most common and solid patterns first) I wouldn't use Smartbot to practice, but when you'll be able to beat it every time then it means you're doing well definitely :D The main point is that the bot doesn't show you where you go wrong, so humans are needed! Maybe I should do some videos more useful for beginners. Thanks for the support!
@chrisdotcode6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! "Traffic Light" is a great name for the first opening 🐞
@FrascoAdAbstra6 ай бұрын
I didn't come up with the name myself, Leex told me about it the first time but I'm not even sure it comes from him actually! It fits well anyway 😁