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@paupanades9957 Ай бұрын
shouldnt street wraith be auto include in death shadow?
@bouthat1 Ай бұрын
I really like soul-guide lantern in shadow. One-sided GY hate is great for ngoyf
@peterstorm_gaming Ай бұрын
Input gain is different than output gain :) So your input is probably fine, but the output should be turned up quite a bit. But thank you for doing these streams, they are awesome!
@mircodurrbaum9064 Ай бұрын
if people really tell you that the frog sucks avoid them in your inner circle for the future life ^^
@bouthat1 Ай бұрын
Keep em coming buddy! I've been playing the cntrlfreak's list without Tamiyo and having a bit of a harder time than the pre MH3 (your list). I think things will come around. For what it's worth I really don't think Harbinger is great, that one swamp will fuck your day up more often than not.
@notgood38 Ай бұрын
how'd you get your volume so low
@MurmursMTG Ай бұрын
I’m not sure. I thought I had it up high enough but I wasn’t paying close enough attention to my levels, I guess.
@ComposerMathieu Ай бұрын
About the nethergoyf discussion - have you played around at all with Stalactite Stalker or Delver? I've been looking more and more at legacy lists and played around with both. For me (in my lgs meta), delver is more "cute", it's satisfying to flip turn 2 but not as guaranteed as it is in legacy without brainstorm etc. However, Stalker has been treating me well. You have a 1 drop that gets a +1 counter on turn 1, if it sticks around it only grows each turn (with fetches and bauble), and it doesn't compete for the graveyard as goyf does. It's definitely not at the same power level, but I think it's a happy medium that I missed when taking them out to test mh3 stuff. At least for me, not having a 1 drop has definitely been missed when I don't have it.
@peterstorm_gaming Ай бұрын
Awesome list! Murktide is so good at the moment, imo!
@PunkMaquiavel Ай бұрын
Great video, please make more! Hope you can show a list with the new MH3 frog. Do you mind explaining why you rather use dimir compared to grixis/rakdos?
@MurmursMTG Ай бұрын
Thank you! I just did a short stream with Frog and Murktide yesterday. Was only able to get through 3 matches but it was a pretty strong combo when both on the battlefield. As for why Dimir, it’s mostly due to that stack interaction. Most other Shadow decks kind of have to race opponents but Dimir gets to control the game while still having a lot of the same fun gameplay decisions and life total management.
@AudieOfTheVeil 2 ай бұрын
I don't think Psychic Frog is going to be good, which makes me very sad bc I was so hype about it during spoiler season :o( Sucks that I missed the stream, but so glad to be able to rewatch like this!
@AudieOfTheVeil 2 ай бұрын
It's encouraging to hear Psychic Frog has been treating you well so far! I really hope it finds a good tempo home, I really love the callback design and the card art.
@MurmursMTG Ай бұрын
As always, thanks for checking out my stuff and leaving a comment or two! Unfortunately, I’ve been so busy with other stuff to test more but I’m thinking I’ll be on 4 Frog and 3 Murktide without any Goyfs as my next run. Should be back to streaming early next week and hope to have a clearer picture on my preferences soon enough.
@MeldedMight 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the shadow gameplay!! I'm super excited for new bencher also I am really interested in how amped raptor ends up in the format. TONS of cool stuff now.
@bouthat1 2 ай бұрын
I just want to say I'm a big fan, I play your pre MH3 list and watching your chanel has really improved my game. I'm sure you are much better at shadow than I am, however I have some thoughts on this build and I know you're only in the testing stage so please feel free to call me out or correct me. Harbinger in the side is a little unnecessary, I would say spreading seas does the job for cheaper and draws a card, also 1 swamp in the main is VERY awkward. Frog, gyof, and murktide all seem to be be NON-BOs working against each other. Sure frog draws cards but murktide ends games. The deck does not really rely on the GY with the exception of Murktide, adding frog and gyof now make it weaker to GY hate peices. And lastly I think the deck did get some decent tools. Sink into stupor is an upgrade to otawara either to replace or an extra copy. 1 or 2 Deluge in the side is great as well as 1 or 2 consign to memory. But I would seriously consider the pre MH3 build with just a few of the new tools rather than a big overhaul. Still we will have to see how the meta shakes out.
@MurmursMTG Ай бұрын
All valid points. Usually, when testing new cards, you want to test as many of them as possible to get a sense of how they play and then adjust as needed. No question that Goyf, Frog and Murktide are flighting too much and I’ll be playing various combinations of 2 of the 3 moving forward until I find what I like best. I personally don’t like Spreading Seas as it’s typically not disruptive enough against anything other than Urza’s Saga. I’d rather have Break the Ice if I’m not on Harbinger. I’ve been too busy with other stuff to play since this upload but will be back to streaming next week and will be diving deeper into testing now that the meta is starting to develop more clearly. The Pro Tour should also help give some perspective on what’s best.
@bouthat1 Ай бұрын
@MurmursMTG oh dude, 100 percent! I live the chanel and definitely didn't mean to come off as "that guy" I look forward to more vids!
@MurmursMTG Ай бұрын
I have absolutely zero issue with your comment. I appreciate the engagement and sharing your opinion. The best deck building typically happens as a community!
@Ox7moron 2 ай бұрын
thank you for uploading this! I recently started playing shadow, but im too busy here in exam-season to play much, so having your stream is nice :)
@MurmursMTG Ай бұрын
Glad you’re getting value out of the content! :) Hope to be back in full force next week!
@freigeist7655 2 ай бұрын
What about Vexing Bauble? It might be a very useful card in the sideboard
@MurmursMTG Ай бұрын
Haven’t really had the chance to play much since the new set released. I’ll be sure to test it out!
@josehaya6362 2 ай бұрын
hi! you still playing Legacy DS? Haven been playing it lately in paper. Dunno if theres a discord or patreon about it! Would love to discuss..
@MurmursMTG 2 ай бұрын
Hey! I haven’t played legacy in over three years. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the discord that I used to be in for UB Shadow at the time.
@mikekenny1698 2 ай бұрын
How many Toxic Deluce will you play and will you play Nethergoyf?
@MurmursMTG 2 ай бұрын
Two deluge in the SB to start then I’ll adjust based on the meta and need. I’ll be testing Goyfs as there’s a lot of potential but I’m not sure if Dimir is the best Shadow build for it. Either way, it’s likely to be a very efficient beater that can close quick if unchecked.
@mikekenny1698 2 ай бұрын
@@MurmursMTG I mean I'm running an old Dimir list with thoughtscour, streetwraith, bauble etc, so in that list it seems pretty good, I can get it pretty big on turn 3 and value wise that's pretty good
@mikekenny1698 2 ай бұрын
Nethergoyf and Toxic Deluge is going to be bonkers in this deck
@alvarovieira5683 2 ай бұрын
Great video. The editing and narration was really good.
@MurmursMTG 2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much! Hope to keep bringing more content MH3 drops.
@freigeist7655 2 ай бұрын
It is kinda mandatory as of today to have 4, but I still do very well in my LGS without Orcish Bowmaster. Street wraith or even more counterspells in the main deck just do the trick better for me. What would you say? Any chance you would try a list without Orcish Bowmaster?
@MurmursMTG 2 ай бұрын
We’ll see what the MH3 meta looks like. If there’s a lot of card draw floating around then I still want them. They’re also just good at being a threat against non interactive decks like Tron that can win the game quickly enough if they stumble or need to draw a lot to find full Tron. I can definitely see cutting down to 2 or 3 depending on how things shake up next week. Can’t imagine I’d want none so long as Ragavan is around. That little monkey can have such massive swings against us given how many 1 CMC spells we have.
@EnigmaGames96 2 ай бұрын
if I want to play shadow in mtgo, how does it works? I mean, can I build the deck playing the game, like arena or I must buy the deck or singles? I've never played mtgo btw
@MurmursMTG 2 ай бұрын
It is not like arena. You can either buy the cards using stores like cardhoarder.com or goatbots.com. For someone that’s new to MTGO I would recommend cardhoarder as the easier way to buy cards until you’ve gotten comfortable with the “trade” feature within the platform. There’s also rental services where you can pay a monthly fee to be able to have access to a certain dollar value worth of cards and you have to rent them every time you want to play the deck. This is a cheaper option initially but if you’re playing over a long period of time and only want to play 1 deck then I’d recommend buying the deck. Both of the websites listed above should have resources on their respective websites to help you understand the process. Good luck!
@jorgeMooveIn 3 ай бұрын
I'm a new shadow player so thank you very much for your content. I have a question: why not -1 fetch (or darkslick?) +1 swamp? Against the coffers mu they have so much land destruction. Also considering vs blood moon/magus of the moon decks.
@MurmursMTG 3 ай бұрын
You’re welcome! Hope it can be of help as you navigate the archetype! I’ve played with 1 swamp and 2 islands back in October and had success with it but blood moon and coffers decks had kind of died down over the last few months that I switched back to just islands as swamps can really mess up some of your efficiency. If your local meta is full of Blood Moon and Coffers then I’d definitely recommend a Swamp over Darkslick.
@Ox7moron 3 ай бұрын
I am super happy that the algorithm showed me this! Super nice commentary! Especially when it comes to explaining how you view your lifetotal. I am personally looking to get into modern with some black/X Death's shadows build. Your build seems super calculated and well thought-out. I would love to see a deck-tech with explanations to why you play dimir over rakdos/grixis and what reasons you have for the ratios you play.
@MurmursMTG 3 ай бұрын
Glad the algorithm brought you here too! I’d be happy to do that for you but I think it’s smarter for me to wait until MH3 releases and then rebuild the deck then do a deck tech video as the meta shifts and there’s a whole new format. There’s a lot of interesting cards I want to test!
@EnigmaGames96 3 ай бұрын
Hi mate, do you think modern Horizon 3 will bring some changes to death Shadow? From the leaks we know?
@MurmursMTG 3 ай бұрын
Hey! Absolutely! I think we’re likely to have a lot more really good SB cards available to us, like Toxic Deluge and Disruptor Flute. It’s also possible that Necrogoyf is something we want to have in the 60 as it can act as a nice beater, even if only a 3/4 or 4/5, while also being targeted by removal that would have otherwise been used on Shadows or Murktides. Who knows what the format looks like after MH3, but it looks to be moving into an interesting place.
@EnigmaGames96 3 ай бұрын
@@MurmursMTG thanks a lot mate, the sad thing is that necrogoyf Is about 60€
@MurmursMTG 3 ай бұрын
You’re welcome! I’ll be testing Necrogoyf online, so come check out a stream or future videos to see if it’s worth playing/buying!
@EnigmaGames96 3 ай бұрын
@@MurmursMTG for sure mate I'll be there!
@zarekm5443 3 ай бұрын
Stoked to see more UB Shadow content!!
@bouthat1 3 ай бұрын
4 hours of dimir shadow? Grab the popcorn and turn the lights down low. Also, I wanted to say that since watching just the couple videos you posted, my game has improved quite a bit. Oh, and game 1, that was the best sounding "what the fuck" I've heard in a while.
@MurmursMTG 3 ай бұрын
Hey! So glad to hear that the content has been able to help you improve with the deck! Thanks for taking the time to let me know it's been of help to you.
@Davidbruun 3 ай бұрын
Yo thank you for recoding this on KZbin. Great to watch while doing Archaeology in WoW Classic :)
@MurmursMTG 3 ай бұрын
You're very welcome. Thanks for taking the time to check out my content and show some appreciation! :)
@Davidbruun 3 ай бұрын
Any new videos of you playing this? Maybe an in depth guide for us that don’t play Modern too often 😅
@MurmursMTG 3 ай бұрын
Hey! I’ll try my best to build out a guide and get a few more videos up. I’m planning on doing a stream Friday and maybe Saturday and turning them into videos. I also have another 5-0 that I need to record and upload but have been busy with other priorities.
@projetogamer828 3 ай бұрын
Secret tech about orcish Bowmasters: you can ping the token with orcish's triggers, because a rule of game state even with 0 it won't die
@MurmursMTG 3 ай бұрын
Appreciate the heads up. I wasn’t aware!
@juliendupuis2493 4 ай бұрын
Hi Murmurs, thanks a lot for this video which made me completly fell in love with this achetype, I'm now playing it in my LGS, have good winrate with it! Hope to see more detailed content like this!
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
You're very welcome! Thank you for taking the time to check it out and share the kind words! I decided to make these videos with the hope that people like you would pick up the deck, love it, and help to keep growing the awesome Dimir Shadow community. I've started streaming and will be trying to get on at least once a week. I'll be uploading more videos soon! Thanks again for your support and kind words!
@unironiccaterpillar7405 4 ай бұрын
Super duper cool video and breakdown!! Thank you for making this-I really enjoyed watching this and can’t wait to watch your channel grow!
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! Appreciate you taking the time to share such positive feedback! Looking forward to bringing you more content soon!
@ComposerMathieu 4 ай бұрын
What would you recommend as a more budget-friendly replacement for Bowmasters? It's something I'd eventually buy into but is a bit pricey at the moment. Loving all your content!
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
Unless you’re playing a lot of magic over the next two months, I’d definitely hold off on the Boweys until the MH3 anyway. They might be made obsolete or reduced to being a SB card that isn’t 100% needed depending on the meta. For now, you’ll definitely never replace it and I’d have to see your list to give you a decent recommendation. Can you share a list?
@ComposerMathieu 4 ай бұрын
@@MurmursMTG right now I'm just using your list with proxies. I'm moving into this deck from my old one I don't get much enjoyment from anymore. Right now I'm thinking of putting in brazen borrower in place of the orcs, but also looking into collective brutality or soul reap as a way to snipe down smaller creatures.
@claudiospennati7830 4 ай бұрын
What do you think about surgical extraction? Is it a sideboard option worth considering?
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
There would need to be a graveyard focused combo deck at the very top of the meta that folds to losing one piece of the combo for me to want surgical. Esper Goryo doesn’t fold to losing access to Goryo’s Vengeance and isn’t prominent enough for me to want Surgicals right now.
@claudiospennati7830 4 ай бұрын
@@MurmursMTG ok I see... Thx for your answer and congrats for the win!
@Fabregas200788 4 ай бұрын
congrats on the win mate! so happy for a shadow pilot :)
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@CarloGoiff666 4 ай бұрын
sorry but 720p hurts my eyes
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
I’ll be sure to upload in 1080 or higher moving forward. Thanks for the feedback!
@YWQMD 4 ай бұрын
Can't believe you didn't overload that Break the Ice in the first match, just thinking about that makes my mouth water
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, I was pretty upset at myself in the moment. Had I not drawn the Murktide for turn there’s no way I miss it. The fact that I play Break the Ice specifically because I hate losing to Tron and then to almost punt the game on that play was great. Can't believe they didn't hit a way to wipe my board.
@simonlin6062 4 ай бұрын
What do you think of splashing for pick your poison?
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
This is a question I’ve gotten enough times that I’ve decided I’ll put a Green splash list together and try it so that I can give people a more data driven response. I don’t feel like it’s necessary as I’ve had a lot of success with what I’ve got and the Domain matchup has been above average. If it’s clear that making the splash improves Domain drastically and helps elsewhere then I’ll likely do the splash until MH3 drops. I’ll add that I really don’t like not having perfect mana for how interactive my version on UB Shadow has to be. Like, missing out on turns where you need double black (a lot of lines require it for pure efficiency) because I’m splashing for a SB card that ends up being no better than what I was doing without the splash is not at all where I’d prefer to be. But, yeah, I’ll test it so I’m not just telling you something I can’t validate/back up.
@simonlin6062 4 ай бұрын
@@MurmursMTG Thanks! Appreciate the response and effort
@simonlin6062 4 ай бұрын
@@MurmursMTG Also, why don't you set stops on the end of opponent's 2nd main phase, to cycle dress down without having it going into your own turn?
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
@@simonlin6062 Anytime I'm thinking of doing that I typically add the stop manually. It's not a play I make often enough to keep it as a stop that happens every 2nd main for my opponent. Sometimes I'll click through it but more often than not it's an inconvenience I prefer not to have.
@simonlin6062 4 ай бұрын
@@MurmursMTG Thanks, good luck with the stream!
@Joseluis-pt8gj 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your videos and congrats on the Challenge!!! One question, have you tried death shadow adding 1 breeding pool and Pick your poison in the sideboard??
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
Thank you! This is a question I’ve gotten enough times that I’ve decided I’ll put a Green splash list together and try it so that I can give people a more data driven response. I don’t feel like it’s necessary as I’ve had a lot of success with what I’ve got and the Domain matchup has been above average. If it’s clear that making the splash improves Domain drastically and helps elsewhere then I’ll likely do the splash until MH3 drops. I’ll add that I really don’t like not having perfect mana for how interactive my version on UB Shadow has to be. Like, missing out on turns where you need double black (a lot of lines require it for pure efficiency) because I’m splashing for a SB card that ends up being no better than what I was doing without the splash is not at all where I’d prefer to be. But, yeah, I’ll test it so I’m not just telling you something I can’t validate/back up
@Joseluis-pt8gj 4 ай бұрын
@@MurmursMTG Thank you so much for your answer!
@bouthat1 4 ай бұрын
It's pretty cool that Jesse Eisenberg plays Dimir shadow. In all seriousness, your vids are awesome. I would watch these even if it was the same 75 every time.
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
Hahaha I had to go play one of his recent interviews and you’re definitely not wrong, there’s a close intonation. Love that I get to use this fun anecdote with friends now! Thanks for checking out my content and sharing the kind words! I hope I can change the 75 frequently enough over the coming months to give you a bit of variety, though! 😉
@TheKturner05 4 ай бұрын
Loving these videos! Your explnations are great!
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to watch and engage! Glad these videos have been helpful for you!
@AudieOfTheVeil 4 ай бұрын
Walking through all your decisions and reflecting on these games on a play-by-play basis is incredibly valuable, thank you so much for putting in the work to make these videos. Congrats on the challenge!
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
I really appreciate you taking the time to share the feedback and let me know the effort and content is helpful! I’ll do my best to keep bringing you great content as often as my schedule allows! With that said, is there anything you’d like to see more/less of?
@thecntrlfreak1347 4 ай бұрын
Awesome work as always, great video!
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
As always, thank you very much for the support and allowing me to help grow through the community you’ve created! Glad to be able to pay you back and get a few new people entering the discord through seeing my content. Really appreciate you and your content, Mike!
@PontesPorAi 4 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing with us, amazing gameplay, congrats!
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for the kind words and support! Hope to bring more good Shadow content soon enough!
@Manuel-wu2yf 4 ай бұрын
Congrats Murmurs!🔥🔥🔥 Thank you so much for the excellent work you are doing for us archetype lovers!
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
Thank you! 🙏🏼🙏🏼 Very happy that the work is appreciated and the content is actually helpful!
@fastlurker8456 4 ай бұрын
Congratulations !!!! Love your content I hope you will continue like this !
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
Thank you! More to come soon!
@subzero308 4 ай бұрын
I foiled out dimir DS and ive always loved it has been one of my fav types since i played grixis shadow in 2017... But i like dimir better. Anyways awersome vid keep it up man.
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
Thanks! Glad you liked it! I also have the deck foiled out! It’s the only deck I really want to play moving forward!
@bouthat1 4 ай бұрын
Great video. Please put more dimir shadow out if possible.
@MurmursMTG 4 ай бұрын
Thank you! I’ve got a video of my Challenge win coming out soon!
@Randalandradenunes 5 ай бұрын
Love it, I really wanna see the change you have made after the ban!
@MurmursMTG 5 ай бұрын
Hope to have something soon! Not expecting to have to make any drastic changes yet!
@ComposerMathieu 5 ай бұрын
What changes will you be making post bans? Glad I found your channel, I'm looking to pivot to a new deck and have a proxies-out dimir DS for testing and have absolutely loved it so far. These videos will be helping a lot too!
@MurmursMTG 5 ай бұрын
Awesome! It’s a fun deck that rewards tight play. Like any deck you’ll have terrible matchups but most feel very even other than Yawg. Not sure exactly how I plan to change the 75 yet. Probably going to wait to see what the meta looks like before making any drastic changes. Chalice can probably come out for now and probably bring in some Yawg or Tron hate depending on which matchup I hate losing to more. I might have some time to play through a challenge on Sunday and have better insight for you then! Hope my content can be of help long term if you do dive into the deck!