My issue with his position is not that I simply prefer tracing Baptist history through the English Separatist movement(I prefer to go back as far as the Waldense's personally) but that the alternative he proposes is ahistorical and the groups that are referred to often have wildly different theologies and some are in fact more heretical than Rome at its worst(The Papists errors are typically ones of addition, they still held to the Trinity, correct understanding of Christ etc). It's also just silly to pick between which heretical group we would rather in the first place given the Landmark groups are supposed to be Christ's true Church and *none of them* should therefore be heretical. You end up with the same problem of Apostolic Succession where a single break in the chain destroys the whole thing so you're forced to do 'history' with such a strong set of presuppositions that you can't even admit when your theory fails because the Cathar's, for example, were dualists who had their own unique view of baptism that's completely different to Baptist theology. His argumentation from Matthew 16 is subsequently taking the same sort of approach as the Papists will argue, ironically. He also contradicts himself later on when he says 'Church', or Ecclesia, only properly refers to a local congregation but assumes a category of 'the Church' which is far more universal(or Catholic) when saying the Gates of Hades won't prevail against it. If you take that to mean local Church then is it that only one congregation will be saved? Or will all local Churches be saved? But then that would mean none of them can defect which we know is not true. Unless there's multiple sense in which we can use the word, which David seems to intuitively understand but still equivocates on when denying there could be any universal sense of the Church other than in eschatological terms. Anyway, sorry if this is coming on too strong I just think this 'Baptists aren't Protestant' trope is impossible to argue with any intellectual honesty and I hope we can move past it, not because I'm sympathetic to sacralism but because I desire genuine unity for the Bride of Christ rather than the isolationist substitute Landmarkism seems to be based upon.

bellows, not gallows 😂

Feeling revitalized! Great vid!

I've watched a few videos and only just realised your name is literally Christian. Many blessings to you from a brother and fellow Particular Baptist. Recently did a a QnA assessment on Baptist distinctives and wish I'd watch this and other content beforehand.

What's your Discord server?

Pastor David Mark does an outstanding job explaining the landmark doctrine, i.e. landmarkism. At one time, not that long ago, this was a majority position among American Baptists. Thankfully, there are still Baptists all across the US as well as the world, that continue to hold to these biblical and historical positions.

42:40 what do you make of the cloud of witnesses in Hebrews 12:1 in light of the universal church? I agree it may confuse things if you talk about the local church, but at the same time we all agree that while you and I are not in the same local church, we both are part of the Church that Jesus founded, don't we?

Good stuff. David's comment on people's almost magical preoccupation with a piece of paper that charts one denomination, or something, all the way back to Paul - that was a great comment I wish got around more.

The Bible is a Catholic book ♥

i like baptism

Arece is the best of us

Fantastic conversation, but I'm really curious why the man on right didn't wear his suit. I suppose it's forgivable since he's so articulate.

Chewy , those helmets in the background are legit cool!

These are my friends!!!

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Fuz approves

*open book, drop the tab. ;)

hes alive?!

YOU'RE STILL ALIVE!!!!!!!

Christian's~ bonjour~Enjoyed- how splendid channel. peace out,))

Scratch the surface of these gospel halls and they are a cult. They never tell people who are what they are when they "go on mission" and start a new "assembly" they will make the new believers think it's new and organic when in reality it's controlled by brethren usually in northern Ireland. Question them and you will see the cult behaviour.

Where can I find Duttons work itself?

What a fine and Godly young man! He is a wonderful witness for the Lord Jesus and the Gospel Hall in particular. I so enjoyed hearing both brothers. I've been a believer for nearly 50 years and been mostly non denominational while sometimes attending a variety of groups both here in Australia and other countries. My wife and I have now settled in a local Brethren Assembly and are very happy there. As an old ex hippie from the 60's I have been welcomed and accepted there even though some of my doctrines differ. Our local assemblies differ, some have gone charismatic even, but we love the traditional Bible believing, headship honouring ones such as we attend. I even knew a brother (now passed on) named Tom Gray. Thank you for this interview, lovely young man I would be proud to have as a son, lovely accent too, Scotland is a place we have visited a few times and love.

Women are treated like shit

FUNNY YOU SAY NO CANDLES ETC ...THEY BREAK UP FAMILIES THEIR HOMES ARE VERY RITCH I WAS ABUSED BY THESE PEOPLE ACULT END OFF

I spent time with the Open Brethren as a teenager and young adult in the 1970's. The chapel I attended did not have a full time worker. It was led by a group of elders. They believed that there should be no division between clergy and laity. The men who were elders were middle aged men who often had demanding work. Some often worked 50-60 hours a week. They all were married with families. Some had large families with, in some cases, families as large as seven children. In addition to the demands of work there were family obligations such as taking sons to hockey practice, or soccer practice, or taking children to swimming lessons or music lessons. In addition to this there was support for church work. This group of men were collectively supposed to do the work of a pastor. Of course none of these men were available for pastoral counseling or visitation from Monday-Friday 8:00am-6;00pm. It is a wonder some of these men were able to handle their demanding jobs and fulfill family obligations. Sometimes there was not the time or energy to do pastoral work. Some of us came out of the 1970's hurt and disillusioned because we never got the help we needed.

I was brought up in the brethren. So thankful for the Bible teaching. I used to work for the George muller foundation in Bristol who was linked to the brethren. I've been a christian for 61 years, so still going strong in the Lord.

It is very encouraging to heard this podcast. God bledd you both.

Amen, thank you for allowing God to lead you in sharing these treasures.

Excellently and sensibly done, thank you and Bless you. Amen

Where can I found this copy?

This was profitable. I have a great appreciation for Gospel Halls and the Open Brethren and their godly sincerety. A note if I may, when it comes to salaries for overseers however, passages like 1 Timothy 5:17-18 and 1 Corinthians 9 speak very clearly about wages. 1 Timothy 5:17-18 is specifically about overseers who rules well , especially, but not exclusively, those who work hard at teaching and preaching. The double honor is pay. A wonderful guest. A faithful witness. And a wonderful host also.

I was raised open brethren remember going two ⛪ all day and the open air services that was 40years ago would class my self as evangelical these days but 😍 this interview it brings 🔙 the ways in the many years ago still love online services so much biblical in the sermons big Norrie Emerson fan praise god for the the Holy Spirit works in his life

Nobody would be a Calvinist from just reading the Bible. I believe what's happened is people like Calvin's theology and therefore interpret scripture through that lens.

Thank God I’m Orthodox ☦️

thank you

i love this